[valentine]

“It was a concensus. Much like everyone knowing Lebron and Kobe are the best players in the NBA. Everyone just knew. Bottom line, unless you can prove otherwise. Me, C-web, everyone on Draft.net remembers Harper being the new Jordan”

so everyone on here agrees with this. thats what dhamp said and he says he wasnt lying so that means all of ya’ll agree with this..not some not 99percent..all

he says cweb agrees BUT tha its a concensous with nba players and announcers which would mean there should at least be 100 or more that also agree with this

now his come back is that i said harper is only a good offensive player which is what i did say but then i made it a pooint to say i ment thats the only part of his game that could possibly comparable and after much though i disagree with even that statement that i made

[quincey hodges]

mj has mvps finals mvps, all stars appearrances,all star mvp lead his team to championships not just a piece. all nba first teams. all defense first teams. defensive players of the years. olympic golds

ron harper has none of that yet he was almost as good as jordan?

[MagikKnickParticipant]

Long asssssss title

But i dont think it really matters honestly, regardless of what “might” have happened, he never lived up to to being anything close to Jordan, and this is always going to happen, there will always be a “next jordan” that wont live up to his “next jordan” title

[BlazermannParticipant]

and i loved it it was a great speech by a great man and funny one and im not even a real jordan fan he killed my jazz

[quincey hodges]

exactly..thing thing that bothers me is he tried to prove his point by saying everyone on here agrees with him and that many nba players and announcers agree with him. he tries to bring up stats to say harper was almost as good as jordan but what he sseems to not realize is stats doesnt tell you if one player is as good as another. and that harpers stats pale in comparision to jordans

[JNixonParticipant]

That long az title dont even of my screen lol!

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

whats funny is people had a certain amount of respect for dhamp but now hes lost most of it by breaking one of the top rules on here LYING TO MAKE YOURE OPINION A FACT…EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THERE OPINION BUT IF SOMEONE IS TO BE CONSIDERED ALMOST AS GOOD AS JORDAN SHOULDNT THERE TROPHEY case half at least half as many awards

[quincey hodges]

lol..yeah the title is a bit long

[quincey hodges]

MJ proved himself to be the greatest player to ever step onto the hardwood. 6 championships, 5 NBA MVP awards, 14 NBA All-Star appearances, 6 time NBA Finals MVP…and the list goes on and on.

ron harper was really almost as good as jordan??

[quincey hodges]

here is the real CONCENSOUS list of who was labeled the next jordans

Harold Miner

Penny Hardaway

Grant Hill

Jerry Stackhouse

Kobe Bryant

Tracy McGrady

Vince Carter

LeBron James

[D HampParticipant]

Super long title but OK, I won’t even claim liable.

I agreed with another user that Harper was ALMOST like Jordan before he blew out his knee. And he was. And yes it is true, Ron Harper was often considered the FIRST “Next Jordan.” Real basketball fans who remeber the NBA in the 80s will remember this. Ron was a really good defender, even an ACE defender later in his career.

He also shot 50 percent from the field a few times during his early years and could have scored more but he was unselfish. His teammates were all-stars Mark Price and Brad Daughtery. Others were John “Hot Rod” Williams and Criag Ehlo. If he wanted to be a primdona or a jerk, he could have shot 25 times a night, but he didn’t want to.

Also, his defense was superb.

Dhamp…the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[quincey hodges]

yet he made zero all star apperances, olympic teams, all nba offense or defense, mvp finals mvp, scoring title…you keep mentioning the cavs team that one wasnt that good and 2 couldnt get past the first round but yet fail to mention when he was with the clippers and was the main offensive weapon he still didnt dominate. theres no way you cant dominate a season but yet be considered almost as good as jordan. the almost comparisions need to be aimed alot lower

[gregoden08Participant]

He was the main offensive weapon for the Clippers…

[D HampParticipant]

One last thing. Here is a website that agrees Harper was compared to Jordan. It doesn’t say that he was the first Jordan, but that he was compared. However, real basketball fans know this. I also heared C-Webb say this. And while he was even a better defender later in his career, the begining was any joke either.

1986: 2.55 stl and 1 blk
1987: 2.17 stl and .091 blk
1988: 2.26 stl and .90 blk
1989: 2.39 stl. and 1.14 blk
1990: 2.00 stl and 1.39 bll

Here goes one: Read about all of the next Michael Jordan’s including Ron Harper:

http://heat.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/401105441/m/557107862

Dhamp..the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[quincey hodges]

lol..thats a list from a poster on a chat site..lol..for a min i thought you might have something there..now google who was consider the next jordans and see how many times harper appears on the lists…i already did it and gave the list but yourte more than welcome to try youre self..just admit you you lied about everyone agreeing with you and youre wrong..come on everyone is wrong sometimes..lol

[esperanzafleet69Participant]

i hardly ever hear dhamp say anything worthwhile so id just ignore it…. also pretty cocky how he claims to be the greatest basketball mind in the world..

[quincey hodges]

then you try to say REAL BASKETBALL FANS KNOW THIS so that means all of us who dont agree arent real basketball fans..lol..even though most of us dont agree….another thing i noticed is all you ever list is the steals and the blks…if he was such a great defender then wouldnt he have been on one of the all defensive teams?

[quincey hodges]

eexactly but he diyeah..i had a lil respect for him before this but now i can tell by him tryna make opinions fact then claim that i didnt know basketball just because i didnt agree with him then that no one on here that doesnt agree with him doesnt know basketball….like i said ealier if you have alot of knowledge you dont have to constantly tell people you have it and the loudest one in the room is usually the person with the least amount of knowledge

[gregoden08Participant]

Dhamp..the worst basketball mind in the world. Next to Skip Bayless anyway.

[SupParticipant]

Dhamp kept it real and quincey you got really offended. But why? What he is saying is fact, Ron Harper at one point in his career was compared to Michael Jordan. Quincey how can you request someones “topic card be revoked” and then post this topic?

[quincey hodges]

kept it real?..saying that everyone on here agreed with him and that it was a concensous that the nba players and announcers said harper was almost as good as jordan?..so lying is now called keeping it real?

[quincey hodges]

because you come up with the worst topics and im not the only who who thinks so. ..which is my and some other opinion..unlike dhamp im not gonna lie and say everyone thinks so

[SpencerIsHawesome2Participant]

lol battle of the two biggest clowns on the site.. d chump and quincy i use websites to determine my opinion hodge… wouldnt be surprised if he never even watched harper

[D HampParticipant]

Quincey stop twisting my words. Please re-read what I wrote. I said it was a concensus that Ron Harper was consider early in his career the new Michael Jordan, just like Rider, Hill, Kobe, Lebron and Stackhouse.

If you have any questions, pleas RE-READ what I have written.

Dhamp..the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[SpencerIsHawesome2Participant]

future comes up with the worst topics, its a fact.

[D HampParticipant]

Watch out Spencer, I aired you out a few weeks ago. Everyone knows it. Afterwards, you got banned. lol!

Dhamp..the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[SpencerIsHawesome2Participant]

you did. u aired me out good.

[quincey hodges]

“It was a concensus. Much like everyone knowing Lebron and Kobe are the best players in the NBA. Everyone just knew. Bottom line, unless you can prove otherwise. Me, C-web, everyone on Draft.net remembers Harper being the new Jordan”

i didnt twist is thats what u said….

[quincey hodges]

lol

[D HampParticipant]

Exactly, “Harper being the new Jordan.” So was Grant Hill. Rider, and Stackhouse.

He was called the new Jordan. Hello? Earth to Quince Hodges.

Dhamp..the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[quincey hodges]

HARPER WAS never the new jordan though dummy

[quincey hodges]

harper wasnt even the next pippen..lol

[quincey hodges]

he was never considered the next jordan because of his game when he was in the nba..he was just bald head and a dunker..i dont need to tell anyone to laugh at you because as you can see by other peoples comments no one takes you seriously nor do they consider you to be very knowledgeable.thats the CONCENSOUS..lol

[D HampParticipant]

Quincey Hodges: Miner, who was nicknamed “Baby Jordan” for his dunking ability, was never actually labeled/considered the “Next Jordan”.

EVERYONE LAUGH AT Quincey for being foolish. Out off 100 basketball fans, 99 of them knows Harold Miner was once considered the “next Jordan.”

Also, many users on this site may not be old enough to remember Harper playing for Cleveland, but TRUE basketball fans know that Harper was the First “Next Jordan.”
”

Dhamp..the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[quincey hodges]

i like how you constantly try to move the convo away from the fact that you had to lie to make youre opinion a fact..care to comment on that??

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

i really think this is funny, dhamp and quincey hodges arguing, i mean you are 2 of the people who post actually have substance most of the time and are pretty smart guys when it comes to basketball but, i haven’t ever heard of harper as the next jordan maybe it’s because i’m not old enough but i don’t think it could have been possible at the time i mean jordan was only going into his 3rd year, while harper was going to be a rookie, at that time jordan still wasn’t getting respect so my dad tells me, he was still looked at as an arrogant, selfish ball hog, so I don’t think they would have compared those 2, one because jordan was too young and too harper was a team player,and plus why would people have been talking about ron harper?

wasn;t 1986 the year len bias got drafted and died, I think that would have took uop basketball headlines.

[Lemons4LifeParticipant]

D Hamp is right. Why are you even getting so mad over this Quincey. Just shut up. ( Both of you )

[llperez]

I started watching in ’92 and I remember hearing a few people talk about how Harper was compared to Jordan. But it was never close between those two and it wasn’t like they were talking about it on the regular.

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

youre right they werent. its just absurd that someone would even compare the 2. when you compare or say one guy is almost as good as the other there has to be a coupel things to compare. to say harper was almost as good as jordan would be saying that he was at least as good as kobe or even better. one thing that makes me wonder if dhamp even watched harper was the shooting percentage thing. early in harpers career he was a very good shooter.. he was a good slasher though and very athletic. he was more comparable to a gereld wallace with better handles if anything or a jason richardson. but he was never a allstar nor considered one of the best defenders in the nba. Yet how can you call him a great defender? and then a great scorer. i dont understand how someone who averaged around 20 a game before injury and never dominated be considered a great scorer

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

dhamp is right about most nba players and announcers think harper is almost as good as jordan(before injury) and that everyone on here thinks harper was almost as good as jordan m.3?

[trueone313detroitParticipant]

My man was right about harper, If his knees had not gone bad. In addition to the players he had around him, he had Larry nance too, Who could give you 20pts. and stll average 15+ In cleveland. Harp would have been the truth, look at his clippers stats.

[llperez]

harper was and would have continued to have been a very good player possibly even played in a number of all-star games. But he was never gonna be in the same breath as Jordan. I watched a lot of his games from his cleavland and clipper days, and he was not a take over the game type. He was always closer to being a pippen rather then a jordan.

[quincey hodges]

no ones argueing if he was good or not but even his best years stats before injury wasn ton jordans level if you judge a player by just stats. he was never almost on jordans level. he was 27 at that time during his peak before injury and the clippers wre horrible and he still only averaged 23pts max in one of the clipper years then 19 and 18

[D HampParticipant]

Jakarii33, please stop misquoting me. That’s all I ask. For the last time: Most real basketballs fans know that at one point in time, Ron Harper (before the injury) was compared to Michael Jordan. End of story.

I don’t care how good he was or could have been, many had called him “the next Jordan.”

Dhamp..the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[Henry25Participant]

Quincy u really arent understanding what D Hamp is saying. I believe that he is saying that early in Ron Harpers career, he was compared to MJ because he was a great defender and a really impressive athlete. Ur really just starting to sound like an idiot, and I’m not even a huge D Hamp fan, but i gotta stand up for him on this. He is not saying Ron Harper is as good as MJ. Open ur frickin eyes and read what the guys is saying

[sheltwon3Participant]

I think anytime you mention stuff about Jordan people get sensitive and don’t really hear what you have to say. I read i an article that Jordan was relieved when Harper got traded away to the Clippers because the GM at that time thought he was hanging with the wrong bunch. The Cavs were formidable when he was with the team and even though Michael Jordan Bulls did them end. They were tough games. Ron Harper could do a little of everything and defend. It was the Clippers curse that ultimately hurt him. I hope Griffin is not the same way.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I saw what D hamp was saying and there is a lot of truth to what he is saying. He never said that Ron Harper was as good as Michael Jordan. Also Len Bias who was drafted the same year as Harper was compared to Jordan as well. Some even said Len Bias was going to be better than Jordan which if not for drugs could have happen but it didn’t. Real talk you will hate me but as good as Jordan was his game was not perfect, he just found ways to win and worked harder. He was blessed with great athleticism but nowadays most of the NBA is filled with those players but they don’t work hard or want to win as badly. Harper was a winner too just not on the same level as Jordan. His early years he was the man in a way but got hurt changed his game to better fit a role and won 5 rings with the Bulls and the Lakers. he could have had 6 if he would have stayed with the Lakers for another year I think.

[j1232eParticipant]

was a decent player for the lousy cavs for a couple of years. Anybody comparing ron harper to micheal jordan has no knowledge of basketball.

[j1232eParticipant]

is ron harper the next jordan if they are pratically the same age and harper joined the league 2 yrs. after jordan. Impossible.

[Henry25Participant]

u guys are frickin idiots. We are not saying Ron Harper was as good as MJ. But early in his career he was comparable to Mike because of his athleticism and defense. Im starting to think a lot of these people on this website are idiots, if u really cant understand what i just said. There is a difference between saying someone has similar characteristics in their game and saying someone is as good as that person. Ron Harper was one of the first players to catch the “Next Jordan” tag. We all know he never panned out to be close to MJ’s level, but he was compared to him earlier in his career

[NYK2010Participant]

You forgot about Michael Finley.
Who cares about him being labeled the next Jordan.
Dhamp get a life go back to riding the Lakers bandwagon.

[quincey hodges]

henery go read the other fourm wit the title harper…dhamp said harper was almost as good as jordan before the injury..see you keep calling everyone names but you dont even know the whole story. get the story right before you add youre input and open youre friken eyes as you say

[D HampParticipant]

Like I said, Harper at one point in his carrer was consider the next Jordan.

Dhamp…the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[edevrim123Participant]

you try to say REAL BASKETBALL FANS KNOW THIS so that means all of us who dont agree arent real basketball fans..lol..even though most of us dont agree….another thing i noticed is all you ever list is the steals and the blks.
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