[zqdz456Participant]

Hey guys i am a chinese i talk about the problem here because in chinese forum it’s not allowed to discuss:the ages of chinese players

especially for these young players,like zhou qi ,officailly born in  1996.

in last year chinese team won the FIFA basketball U16,so what’s behind the story ?

 

in chinese forum Hoopchina,the biggest and the most popular basketball forum in china,when i talked about this subject,the age of zhou qi, i was attacked by some groups.

The facts of  the guy are: 1  by officail  : he was born in 06,1996,but in last year, they changed his birthday to 01,1996,and before that,they say he never changed his birthday.I think they made it just in order to pass the bone-age-test.

2 He went to a basketball school in the year of 2005, which means he was 9 years old at that time,but these  kind of sports schools in china only accept  boys above 13, after the 6 years grandschool.They say at time he was just 1.72m tall in 2005.But they couldn’t give any photos to prove it.There are no photos to show  he was under 1.9m.

So as some people said in chinese website,which i think the truth should be: he was born in 1992,and in 2005 he was 13 years old and went to basketball school with over 1.9m body height ( they pick up  big boys for besketball)

in 2010 he was 2.15m tall ,and now still 2.15 ,born in 1996 ?what do you think ?

 

[McDunkin]

 I posted about him before

 

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/zhou-qi-puts-41-points-28-rebounds-15-blocks-u16-tourney

[frogmanParticipant]

I reckon he could knock Dwight Howard off the block with ease

[zqdz456Participant]

just because i said he was born in 1992,and only in a replai, even not in a main subject.

and based on the facts i am sure he was born in 1992.they think they could controll everthing.

 

[Anton123Participant]

 He does look 16 though

[RafterParticipant]

It wouldn’t surprise me, there are plenty of cases of Chinese players that list themselves younger and then dominate in the youth competitions due to being superior athletes and seemingly blessed with an advanced ability for their age group that ultimately leads to greater things, such as the money, level of competition and a new country, they tend to disappear and seem to stop improving like Yi, who hasn’t improved in three seasons.

There are some suspicious stories about Wang Zhelin’s true age and he could be two years older than his listed age which would really set back his potential and his draft stock if they are ture.

Having said that, it’s not just the Chinese, Africans tend to lie about their age, it’s very corrupted and it happens a lot in football (soccer) they follow the same story as my analysis in my first point, and if you follow football (soccer) you’ll see a lot of  potential world-class african players that were spotted at youth level that simply fade away or retire early.

He’ll be exposed if he’s infact born in 92′, he may not be directly exposed but his future career will tell the story, if there’s a sudden drop-off in seasons where he should still be producing then we’ll know. It’ll happen because he’s four years older then he should be, so when he’s 26 he should start growing into his prime and should still have many years left to perform but if he’s actually 30 when listed at 26, the production would be similar to the previous season and not the break-out that was expected.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/colu/p/newsid/51240/arti.html

Zhou Qi, Spain top highlights at 2012 Albert Schweitzer Tournament
REGENSBURG (David Hein’s Eye on the Future) – Once again the Albert Schweitzer Tournament (AST) delivered in supplying great games, crowning a great champion and showcasing great young talents who will become great young stars in the very near future.

It was no real surprise that Spain won the title at the biennial U18 international tournament as the team was led by the refined guard-center combo of Josep Perez and Guillermo Hernangomez and well helped by the raw shot-blocking force of Ilimane Diop – the latter of whom is expected to star for Spain at the 2012 FIBA U17 World Championship.

Albert Homs cannot be forgotten as he poured in 18 points in the title game – a 76-65 victory over Serbia.

The Spanish were deserved winners as they knocked off Serbia twice in a span of three days for the country’s second AST title.

And it was clear that the Iberian youngsters were excited about having their names now bound in history along with the likes of 1998 AST winners Pau Gasol, Jose Calderon, Raul Lopez, Berni Rodriguez and Carlos Cabezas.

Serbia were led by lefty point guard Nikola Radisevic, who won the tournament’s MVP award. The Serb big man combo of Dusan Ristic and Nikola Miluntovic were very efficient in the post while Luka Andusic proved he can be a game-changer outside.

Serbian forward Mihajlo Andric was selected to the All-Tournament Team, which was a questionable decision in light of other forwards at the tournament.

In addition to Radisevic, Andric and the Spanish pair of Perez and Hernangomez, the All-Tournament Team was rounded out by German forward Paul Zipser.

The native of nearby Heidelberg did nothing to dampen his status as one of the top players in his class. He carried Germany at times and did well to deal with the media, scouting and family stress of the event while just recently finishing his school exams.

Zipser, who currently plays in Germany’s second division ProA, faces a difficult choice in the near future as to which top flight German club to join – he has already received offers. An important factor will be selecting a place where he can continue his development.

By far the biggest talent at the tournament was 16-year-old Chinese center Zhou Qi.

The Chinese team was made up exclusively of players born in 1995 and 1996 as they prepare for the FIBA U17 World Championship in Lithuania this summer. And Qi, who turned 16 in January, showed that he can already dominate older competition.

While he still needs to build body mass, he already has a strong feeling around the basket offensively, defends adequately for his weight, knows how to block shots and even boasts a bit of a mean streak. He has plenty of tools to work with and if he continues to work hard and with dedication, it’s easy to see him as a future star.

Turkey, who finished third in the competition, showcased wing James Metecan Birsen and big point guard Cedi Osman – both 17 years of age.

Osman was given the Burkhard Wildermuth Award as the most talented player by the teams’ coaches and has loads of promise to dream upon. Turkey have a great 1995 generation of guards with the Birsen-Osman duo as well as Kenan Sipahi, who did not play at the tournament.

One player who Eye on the Future was most interested in seeing at the AST was Denmark power forward Rasmus Larsen. Since the FIBA Europe U18 All-Star Game played in the Final Round of the 2011 EuroBasket last September, Larsen has added 12 kilos (26 pounds) of muscle – mostly to his upper body.

The 7-footer was never a quick mover though he could shoot the ball tremendously well from outside. The added mass does not seem to have affected his shooting abilities and now Larsen is learning to develop a low-post game – made possible with his new body.

The U.S. team once again struggled, finishing seventh out of 16 teams. But that’s not a surprise given that the players – all high school juniors – met for the first time at the airport in Dallas before coming to Germany. The top players were Stevie Clark, Darryl Hicks and Austin Nichols though there were much more talented players available for the tournament.

Eddie Ford, the organizer of the U.S. team, said he is committed to getting higher level players for future ASTs, which will raise the level of the American team.

[seniokasParticipant]

I can almost guarantee that Ersan Ilyasova is also 3 years older than he claims. Few years ago I have read the article about him, here is part of it

"Prior to being drafted, rumors circulated that İlyasova was actually born in 1984. This was the result of a complaint filed with FIBA by the Uzbek Basketball Federation. It alleged that İlyasova was really an Uzbek named Arsen Ilyasov who was born in 1984 and entered Turkey under false pretenses in 2002. However, FIBA ruled in favor of Turkey, and İlyasova continues to play under the restrictions of a 1987 birth date."

I do believe that it is truth just Turkey has obviously much more power and influence than Uzbek. That being said he is good player and I think that teams are well aware of him being older and won’t give him long-term contracts in not so near future.

Talking about this whole tendency of making your players younger I find it very shameful.

[pohani komaracParticipant]

I can almost guarantee that Ersan Ilyasova is also 3 years older than he claims. Few years ago I have read the article about him, here is part of it

His real name is Arsen Ilyasov and he is 1984.

Erwin Dudley –> Ersin Dagli
Michael Wright –> Ali Karadeniz
Petar Naumoski –> Namik Polat
Damir Mrsic –> Kaan Demir
Mirsad Jahovic –> Mirsad Turkcan
Edin Delic –> Nedim Dal
Ricky Winslow – Reşat Fırıncıoğlu

Mirko Milicevic – Muhammed Onar

David Lee Dixon –> Davud Kamer

Vsevolod Fadeikin – Selim Saygin
Orhan Gadzhiev – Haciyeva Orhan

Ermal Kuqo –> Ermal Kurtoglu

The new kids;
Kenan Spahi –> Kenan Sipahi
Buti Haxhismajli –> Burak Haciismail
Dusan Gavrilovic –> Dusan Cantekin

They also got Bosnian Emir Preldzic, but didn’t change his name

[peZt93Participant]

@Pohani komarac

That’s just part of the naturalization process in Turkey. In order to get Turkish Citizenship you have to have a turkish name. I don’t know what it has anything to do with the topic.

Back to Zhou Qi. I don’t think he is older. At least not 4 years. To me he looks pretty young. Maybe he could be 1 or 2 years older I don’t know, but I don’t think he was born in 1992. He just doesn’t look like a 20 year old.

[kestrelleeParticipant]

 Here are a few peices of kindergarden and elementary school mates talked about Zhou Qi in Chinese websites:

1. A girl who was borned in 1993 attended the same class in kindergarden with Zhou Qi (bbs.hupu.com/6331668-2.html). If Zhou Qi went to Kindergarden at normal age as other chinese kids, he should be born in 1992 or 1993.

2. An elementary school mate of Zhou Qi was borned in Jan 1992. He said when he was in 6th grade, Zhou Qi was in 4th grade and trained in special basketball program in the school. If Zhou Qi attended elementary school at 7 as most Chinese kid do, he should be born in 1993 or 1994.

Based on above, Zhou Qi should be born in 1993, 3 years older than his registration age at CNBA.

Kindergarden or elementary school mates’ ages are pretty relaible. Changing ages among athlets in China is notoriously common because coaches wanted champions to get bonus and promotion. Kids want to get into professional teams. Coaches and parents can easiely change their kids’ age at local police station once they knwo someone there or give some bribe to the police. In Chinese sports world, Liaoning Province, where Zhou Qi came from, 80% to 90% young athlets changed their ages in order to win at their age group (http://www.56.com/w31/play_album-aid-10954229_vid-NTc0ODIxMDU.html).

If you look at Zhou Qi’s body, it is not possible for an 18 year old Chinese boy to have that much muscles.

Anothe Yi Jianlian.  

 

 

 

  

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[kestrelleeParticipant]

 Here are a few peices of kindergarden and elementary school mates talked about Zhou Qi in Chinese websites:

1. A girl who was borned in 1993 attended the same class in kindergarden with Zhou Qi (bbs.hupu.com/6331668-2.html). If Zhou Qi went to Kindergarden at normal age as other chinese kids, he should be born in 1992 or 1993.

2. An elementary school mate of Zhou Qi was borned in Jan 1992. He said when he was in 6th grade, Zhou Qi was in 4th grade and trained in special basketball program in the school. If Zhou Qi attended elementary school at 7 as most Chinese kid do, he should be born in 1993 or 1994.

Based on above, Zhou Qi should be born in 1993, 3 years older than his registration age at CNBA.

Kindergarden or elementary school mates’ ages are pretty relaible. Changing ages among athlets in China is notoriously common because coaches wanted champions to get bonus and promotion. Kids want to get into professional teams. Coaches and parents can easiely change their kids’ age at local police station once they knwo someone there or give some bribe to the police. In Chinese sports world, Liaoning Province, where Zhou Qi came from, 80% to 90% young athlets changed their ages in order to win at their age group (http://www.56.com/w31/play_album-aid-10954229_vid-NTc0ODIxMDU.html).

If you look at Zhou Qi’s body, it is not possible for an 18 year old Chinese boy to have that much muscles.

Anothe Yi Jianlian.  

 

 

 

  

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