2010 in question for the KNICKS but not the BOTTOM of the ATLANTIC DIVISION

You are underestimating the 2010 free agent market…it is loaded with LOTS of really good free agents outside of the mega stars. So the Knicks are going to be greatly improved even if they don’t get LeBron, Wade, Bosh, or Amare. Not getting Kidd or Hill was a great thing for New York. Also I think a big star would come to New York alone for the simple fact that it is a big market, big stage, big payday, & a fun system to play in. Not to mention stars want the attention and they want the challenge of turning around a team.

All and All, we need to wait till 2010. There are many players that can come to NY.

Rajon Rondo is a FA in 2010, Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson etc. The point is people got so happy when the cap went down because it “cripples the Knicks” when we still will have about 3/4 of the cap money unused in 2010. We could move Curry’s Contract and Jefferies and we could add anyone in the league.

Kidd never wanted to be a Knick. Hill only wanted to consider the Knicks but his wife wanted to live in NY

Haha the Raptors aren’t going to be serious contenders for a title either even if Bosh stays.

and if u really think the knick can afford them that oppurtunity i’ve just lost any respect i have for u as a knowledge basketball mind.

Um…check how many people are FA after 2010…

Knicks better than the Raptors after this season? Yep I think so.

Why would a big name free agent go to New York. Well I’ve said it a bunch of times and I’ll say it again….big payday, big market, biggest stage, good coach, fun system, great city, lots of publicity, lots of stars, etc….

Bosh can’t win in Toronto, same goes for Amare in Phoenix, LeBron in Clevland, Dirk in Dalls, & Wade in Miami….why wouldn’t they want to go to New York?

Nowitzki Will Go to The Raptors And They Will Have A International Starting Line-Up In 2010

Pg- Jose Calderon
Sg- Carlos Delfino
SF- Hedo
Pf-Dirk
C-Bargani

Wouldn’t That be Intresting ??

Your kidding about the Dirk thing right?

I heard the Raptors maybe moving….

Knicks are a very bad team at the right time. They will be in the lotto and are likely to come out with a stud rookie such as Wall or Davis. They have enough cap room to sign one or 2 stud players, and the opportunity of playing in New York is attractive to the stars for endorsement opportunities where they can really earn money. They can also play on the big stage and have the chance to be the hero that ressurects a once proud franchise.

I’ve seen the Bulls hope and get shut out, but Chicago isn’t the city New York is, though I prefer Chicago, New York is more attractive to most. A superstar player will choose Knicks and will bring a posse. They will be a force within 3 years. Plus the NBA wants it that way. That can’t hurt. Be ready to cry “conspiracy theory”.

Toronto would still be weak….Delfino doesn’t need to start at SG

To bad the Jazz owns the Knicks’ 1st round pick in the 2010 draft

I have never heard that (raptors moving) where are they considering.

I heard they may move to

Seattle or Kansas City. Most Likely Kansas City to remain in the East

Also, if Sacramento does not get the Attendance up and a new stadium contract, they will most likely move to Seattle.

My problem with Lebron leaving is that it will take him 3 years to get that team to championship level(like Cleveland), even with another superstar. By that time he’ll be 29, I think. So he’ll have 5-7 years left to win titles? Even if he wins half of those he’ll only have 3, so if he wants to be compared to Jordan he should stay in Cleveland and have a chance at 6. However, if he wants more sponsors and money then he should go to NY. Your choice lebron. Best player ever or money. IMO lebron should resign with cleveland for 10 million less. That plus their big contracts expiring like Big Z’s 10 they’ll have 20 million to sign a superstar. Don’t that seem like a better Idea? Lebron will have his star but he won’t have to restart.

NOPE….LeBron winning 6 titles in Cleveland hahahhaha….he will never even win 1

His only chance at being the greatest player ever is to go to the Knicks and become a true legend
Knicks will have a better supporting cast than the Cavs

Thank you Gator.

What sounds better?

Im the Best player on the…….Cleveland Cavs

or

Im the Best SUPERSTAR ON THE NEW YORK

im not even gonna put Knicks at the end because they would just lap the 1st sentence.

Why would it take Lebron 3 years to win a title with Lebron? The Knicks supporting cast is just as strong as Cleveland’s. Boston is very old. Orlando just got older in trading for VC. The east is up for grabs in 2010.

Interesting news I heard was that Lebron and Wade seriously talked about playing in New York together in hopes of going down as the best team ever.

where from Knicksfreak.

Right now, Im on the Fence if we are gonna get LBJ?

Haha i love all the Knick haters, saying the knicks are irrelevant and that all the hopes lie in Lebron. Both of those statements couldn’t be more wrong. Sure the team has been pretty miserable lately, but thats all due to the fact that we had awful management for a whole decade. Now that this is over with you guys all better believe the Knicks will only get better. Its interesting how irrelevant teams like the Knicks still have one of the best attendances and one of the biggest fan bases in the league even when they struggle. Knicks don’t need Lebron either they have a lot of young talent and trust me somebody will sign. Knicks havent been under the cap in over a decade so the big misunderstanding about the excitement of shedding salary is not the fact that Lebron James is THE free agent, its just that he happens to be one of the biggest names when the franchise finally gets some cap room. You have to be crazy to believe that NO star will want to come to New York which believe it or not is believed by many to be the greatest city in the world. The Knicks will continue to get younger and better and will have a great supporting cast for w.e star/s decide to come.
I don’t know if Lebron comes to New York or even leaves cleveland but the team thats in most trouble is the Cavs. IF they do lose Lebron they have NOTHING. No young talent and no free agent would ever consider cleveland without Lebron there. Cleveland could be headed for a very miserable rebuilding decade that the Knicks are just getting out of.

ya’ll keep giving these reasons for players wanting to come to the knicks but ya’ll didnt sign one free agent that ya’ll was after..not saying the knicks wont sign any good ones next year but no one was killing there selfs to try to play for them this year..as far as d’antoni hes proven he is strickly a offensive coach but doesnt coach any defense ..so if a team is serious about winning a title then the knicks arent the answert..if they wanna score alot of points and be exciting while just getting a big pay day then yea the knicks are a good choice, which is why i think if the big names dont go there it will be because of those things…d’antoni’s track record speaks for its self as far as what type of coach he is

Josh I think you hate the Knicks….

His track record? The suns had an amazing team that has been doing nothing but slowly declining since hes left. And if you watched their games carefully one could argue that he was a lot closer to a championship than what a lot of the haters think. That year they lost to the spurs they had them before all the suspensions. To be very competitive in the west 3-4 years ago means a lot, that suns team would have won the east every year. And how do you expect Kidd to turn down over 8 million dollars a year when hes going to be 39, he was always very vocal about how he wanted to be a knick but at his stage in his career how can he turn down a final contract like that. And plus aging stars might not want to be part of a rebuilding process its not secret knicks wont win a title next year. But in another year they will get better and someone in their 20s is going to see this as a great opportunity.

The only player to play for d’antoni and not say he loves the guy was marbury and we all know the motives behind that. almost every lottery pick this year went on record to say that their dream is the Knicks to play for coach d’antoni.

Funny thing is when the knicks do get stars and do get good there will be new haters kinda like the ones the yankees have saying knicks are just big market bullies. New york teams will always be hated, if they struggle people pay attention and when they become good people find other reasons to hate.

LOL….couldn’t say it better myself.

first thing i read was that the knicks will be gonig for wall or davis in 2010? you know that will be difficult without a draft pick right!

second: i don´t see how anyone can say the knicks are doing bad? bad would have been to sign kidd and hill! but what else would you do with a team like this when you take it over? you have a bad team with almost no good contract and a buch of players that nobody wants even if he has to give nothing in return (think of jeffries). so what do you do else than try to get them off the books as soon as possible and hope to get some goof FA if that has happend!

i´m not saying lebron is coming or wade, bosh or amare but i think they could have a real chance for amare or bosh and then they will have some money for someone like johnson… that won´t make them a contender but a playoff team at least and with another trade or two and a lucky draft pick in some years they could have a real chance in two or three years.

and even if like you said nobody will be willing to go to NY (which won´t happen at least one decent player will want the money) is there anything that could get worse? i mean hoestly if you are paying more than 15 million for eddy curry and jared jeffries is there a way to make things worse? is there a way to get worse contracts in 2010? i don´t think so!

the knicks are doing the right thing! it is not sure it will work but it is the only thing they can do!

Only Josh says the Knicks are doing bad…

Knicks have been pretty bad, however to say that we don’t have a MUCH better future now than we did at this point last year is just silly. We were just recently a big joke, however don’t be too surpised if they sneak into the playoffs this year.

i know only josh is saying that and i kind of adressed him… i wanted to give my opinon here on the situation:

can´t get any worse in NY!

first the knicks are doing bad..when you have the record that they had then youre doing bad…could they be doing worst yes..ya’ll have a different definition on what doing bad is then i do obviously…to me..making the playoffs is doing good…barely missing it is doing not so good..anything other that is doing bad..with me its that simple..it has nothing to do with not liking the knicks its just some of ya’ll are way too sensitive ….some of ya’ll say how great it is to play in newyork and this and that so i asked a simple question…if its so great why havnt free agents been rushing to play there this year even if its for a year…if a realtor said some area was a great place because of everything they had yet no one moved there wouldnt you at least ask why no one has moved there yet?..thats a very basic non hating question…so dont be so damn sensitive about it…and meisi4 saying..it cant get any worst means that they are a horrible team correct?..cuz if something cant get any worst then that means they are at rock bottom if im not mistaken

so what would ya’ll say the knicks are right now??..good?..average team?…thats a negitive and ya’ll know it..you call a spade a spade its that simple

Noone is being sensitive and noone is saying the Knicks havent been bad, thats not what we are discussing here. You stated that Knick fans should be worried because noone will want to play here based on your brilliant research of two aging players, one of which was unbelievably overpaid and the other who has kids enrolled in school in phoenix. You are also stating that Knicks are headed in the wrong direction because they are clearing cap space which is complete baloney because Walsh inherited a big mess and while we wont be championship contenders just yet we wont be in the bottom 10 either. I just think its unnecessary to state that the Knicks have had a bad few years because its not rocket science and your opinion of them not getting better is ludicrous and just sounds like wishful thinking. Get over it Knicks will clear money and people will come. I wonder what team you are a fan of….

first ..josh huestis..is that youre real name?..i have a nephew by that name who plays hs basketball in montana..i told people about him on here a month a ago and people laughed because he plays in montana..well now after playing in the big cali aau tournaments he is being looked at by ucla arizona and cali as well as a bunch of other highmajor schools…anyway im a knicks fan a pretty big one and i have to say they are pretty bad..i notice when peopel say the knicks are bad or lebron isnt comming some people think the person hates the knicks which i dont really understand because right now we are bad..im not talking about the future cuz who knows what will happen but our team is bad now we were bad last year aand untill we sign some stars we will continue to be bad..so to the other knicks fans out there can we start being a lil realistic and realize what we are right now at this point in time which is a bad team

I know we are a bad team, im just wondering why we should be worried like we are not doing the right thing right now. I have stated numerous times yes we are bad, but do you really believe we are in worse shape than last summer?

no thats my cousins name who plays football..i picked this awhile ago to pump him up..as far as youre nephew ive seen him play and worked out with him before ( which i said awhile ago ) when i was in cali..hes a very good player..plays like a young grant hill. from what i see hes gonna be a big deal in a couple of years..all the nba players that where there playing with him said he has nba potenial. but anyway bkballer where did i say no one will want to play there based on 2 aging players? becaus ei dont see anywhere were i said that. and where did i say the knicks are headed in the wrong direction? are you making stuff up now?…my comments were to the fans who said i hate the knicks. i dont know what the hell you are talking about

and this has nothing to do with James not coming im actually confident he wont, but the assumption that noone will come to me that sounds like someone hating the knicks.

No, it sounds like your a hater. The Knicks are a team on the upswing. Since you play ball and stuff, please name drop for us. Who did the Knicks contact? I mean J-Kidd went to Dallas for more Money and Grant’s Hill’s wife wanted him to come to NY.

The Knicks are the biggest Basketball market on the east coast. If the Knicks get alot of cap space, they could get a good portion of players. Mostly young because they know the Knicks are a big market and if your good, you will be loved here. The Knicks will have a big bunch of money in 2010 and they will get some good player to revive the franchise.

People seem to forget. Look at some of the players the Knicks added. Zach Randolph, Jamal Crawford, Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Antonio McDyess. Those players had good season before they came to the Knicks. Some had good seasons here and to be honest ( no lie here) some people thought we were on a comeback in 04 when we made the playoffs. I remember people saying Marbury was the Franchise. Then they got swept of course.

ANOTHER THING. People forget, Donnie Walsh. He is in charge now and his track record is amazing. He will make good choices on players. So, whatever.

The Last time the Knicks had alot of cap space (1996), the Knicks added the 2 best free agents avilable. Allan Houston and Chris Childs were the 2 best players on the market and the knicks added them both in 96.

IF big names dont come there?..is that what are are trying to make into “big names WONT COME THERE”…and i do recall saying now not next year as far as the knicks not being a good team. so that means ya’ll are saying they will be a good team and make the playoffs this year. so how is that hating on the knicks..i dont recall saying anything about how they will do next year i said they are a bad team now..im still not seeing where the hating on the knicks is comming from..if thats the case iim hating on the kings and timberwolves because i think they are also bad teams right now.

there are alot of haters in the world then because alot of people think the knicks are a bad team right NOW

“The question i have is with the Knicks having all there eggs tied up in HOPE for sign multiple impact players next off season is what if that falls through? what next? and which players really wants to put his name next to the dotted line before he knows there is someone else of note in N.Y first?

I think its time for Knick fans to start to worry/ open there eyes! especially when the coach is starting to become a non believer…. some food for thought ppl”

I know this isn’t you but this is the point that i am talking about since it is the reason this thread was started.

Youre saying because a OLD PG and SF did not come to play in NY, you saying why would anyone play in NY…or am i mistaken?

“if its so great why havnt free agents been rushing to play there this year even if its for a year…if a realtor said some area was a great place because of everything they had yet no one moved there wouldnt you at least ask why no one has moved there yet?”

why havent the free agents (any not just a old yet good pg who the knicks did try to get) come to sign with the knicks…thats a very valid question..you take that and turn it into hating the knicks because im asking why?..its no different then me asking why people like tea so much..im not hating on tea im just asking why?..which means someone (if they know) is suppossed to answer the why question..then i say oh….im not seeing where u are getting hating from any of that

I never directed the hating to you you are just the only person thats arguing with me right now. Im just curious who these other free agents are though? The old yet good pg who got offered 25 MILLION over the 18 we offered? The only player that actually TURNED us down was grant hill who has kids that were already enrolled in school before the knicks even made a move. Over the hill Grant Hill alone is clearly not a big enough sample to state anything valid.

The thing is Jason Kidd isn’t good enough to turn around the Knicks by himself. The same goes for Grant Hill. This is why they didn’t go to New York. Well LeBron or Wade are different characters. They aren’t afraid to carry a team. They want the challenge of turning around New York. The Knicks will have a better supporting cast then Cleveland or Miami so dont be shocked if the Knicks land a mega star. Even if they don’t they are sitll going to get good free agents…that is a fact..get over it

the knicks went after a couple of free agents just liek most teams went after a coupld of free agents that werent announcced because neither side was serious…i think inside the nba.com or some name like that says who has been talking/contacted by who..its like college basketball and how teams recruits alot of players but only the real big names ever get reported on the big sites even though there were more players getting recruited ..i asked a simple question that people seem to feel hurt about because now i hear old pg and over the hill because they didnt sing with the knicks …thats no different then ya’ll wanting to get a girl ,she turns you down, then all of a sudden shes ugly. but before she turned you down there was no bad thing said about her. there were some knicks fans who said negitive things about them before they turned the knicks down but most of ya’ll didnt have a single negitive word to say about kid or hill untill he turned ya’ll down

Again, the knicks are not in serious talks with free agents because they don’t have money. They went after two because they wanted a veteran to help the young team. I have nothing bad to say about either player but kidd got offered A LOT more money in dallas so i wouldnt call that being turned down. And for you to say that people don’t want to play in New York is ridiculous a lot of people came out on record saying they want to come here….Amare, Nash, Kidd has said it multiple times even though he resigned with dallas ($), Gortat stated he wanted to be a Knick but we didnt need him because we drafted big and got darko for a back up, watch pre draft interviews ull see almost every kid said he wanted to get drafted by the knicks (flynn, rubio, curry, jennings, thabeet, etc) What other team in the league gets so many people to actually say thats where they want to play. There must be some sort of pull to the greatest city in the world and whether you like it or not you will witness it eventually. Someone here mentioned last time the Knicks had money in 96 they had a very good summer, another one is coming soon.

Before you say Knicks went after OTHER free agents i would really like to see where you found this information. I live in NY where every little move by the knicks gets put under a microscope, trust me if they made an offer to anyone else, even if it wasn’t considered by the other player it would be all over the news.

I said it a million times

I never wanted Hill or Kidd. I’m a honest Knick fan. Sorry. I rather have Ramon Sessions anyway. If he does not come to NY i wont be mad at him.

bkballer is right. I live in NY, who are we targeting?

Charles Barkley said it perfect, “The only people that think New York is the place to be and think they’re going to make a huge splash are the people from New York”

talks means there was no offer..it means they talked and either the player wanted mor emoney then a team is willing to give or the player just wasnt interested..or if the player contacted the team and the team told the player they werent interested (von wafer is one instant and i know this on for a fact because my agent nad his agent are friends) ..the knicks went after him but im pretty sure you wont find that anywhere on here..you have to realize theres alot of stuff going on that people are told or that isnt broadcasted . im not sure if you grew up in a lower class income house hold or not but if you did then you should know there are things that people in the streets know more about then the news papers or the police

I love charles Barkley however he has said a lot of “right” things in his career. The guy talks out of his ass 99% of the time which is why hes a funny dude, but i would never take him serious.

iguodala9- whats you fav team?

but back to my non hating point..the knicks right now arent good

Ummmmm von wafer was cut from the Knicks before last season started, and even though in hindsight that was a mistake i highly doubt we go after a guy we just cut 9 months ago, and if we did i wouldn’t expect him to even listen to us. And no you are incorrect the Knicks were only looking to spend the mid-level since that is all they have and there havent been a lot of players going for that cheap. Kidd was always considered option A and we devoted the first week to him. All the players that have been signed were signed to long term deals for a lot more money. thats why u see us going for “older” players because they are cheap. We wouldnt throw a lot of money at players when we have our own players we don’t know if we can pay (lee, nate). Knicks never expected to make a big signing this summer.

im not sure if you grew up in a lower class income house hold or not but if you did then you should know there are things that people in the streets know more about then the news papers or the police

Josh- what does that have to do with anything?

haha love your streets reference i grew up in brooklyn buddy i know a lot more about “streets” than you. Where are you from again?

bkballer what part of Brooklyn u from?

I was in Gowanus Projects…

means just because you dont see it in the paper or on basketball websites doesnt mean it didnt happen….if you dont understand you dont understand..time to move on…..yeah barkley is pretty funny..sometime si do wonder if he beleives some of the things he actually says..lol..but hes more of the jester of the show

i know exactly what you are talking about josh..it was pretty obvious

so the fact youre from brooklyn means you know more about the streets then me?..lol..im not even gonna dignify that with a comment…and im from south east d.c grew up in barry farms.

Nobody asked what does that mean…..

BK ALL DAY! LOL

To make a long story short….The Knicks will be in the playoffs 2010-2011 season.

South DC?

ive been to both places(not barry farms im smart enough not to go there) but i remember d.c seeing things while in and about south east d.c…glad you made it out…same with you bk if you made it to an adult out there in brooklyn…and for anyone..there are punks in all cities so where u from dont make you more street then the next guy who isnt from a rough city

i agree it doesn’t matter where u are from….people r crazy everywhere. Everybody has problems

I agree.

southeast d.c not south…and yeah i agree thats why i didnt make any comment about being more street then someone because where im from..pointless

yeah i think its a very good chance they are in the playoffs during the 10-11 season

To Knickboy. My favorite team is the Sixers.

I didnt mean it like that, that im more street or w/e i just thought it was funny the way you phrased it, like i’m some boy in a bubble that only reads newspapers. anyways none of us really knows what will happen but it is fun to speculate and argue about it haha

Wouldn’t it be great for the league though if LeBron went to New York? It would bring a lot of excitement for me I know that. It would be the END OF THE WORLD for Cleveland. I feel bad for Cavs fans if King James leaves…really.

i used it as a point i was making..and trust im not taking none of this personallly and enjoy the arguements..me and knicksboy from time to time argue about plenty of things from holiday to wall to favors to the knicks..yet i dont take it personally and still will help him with the overseas part of his web site. if we all agreed all the time this site would get pretty boring

It would definitely make things very interesting, i am actually not the biggest fan of Lebron personally but without a doubt would welcome him to my team. I feel like cleveland deserves to keep lebron, if he leaves it will be a total disaster that the franchise wont recover from for about as long as the knicks have been recovering our dumb moves. That team is too old and since they have been so good lately don’t have any young draft talent either. Even though this probably wouldn’t happen if i could have that offseason play out my way we would get Wade, i want him a lot more than Lebron.

haha i would hope you don’t take it personally, arguing is one of the best parts in sports.

a lot of Knicks haters, misssing out on Hill and Kidd was a good thing. Last thing we need are two old guys, they did well in the draft getting Hill and Douglas. Walsh in one year has cleaned up most of Isiah’s mess don’t rule out him trading Curry or Jeffries for expiring contracts it could happen still. The team is improving they have Chandler, Galinari, Douglas, Hill pretty good young talent problem is the vets Hughes, Duhon, Jeffries, Curry, Darko, just not that good. They still have Lee and Nate to use as trade bait maybe for a draft pick next year. If the Jazz don’t match Millsap’s contract only OKC can offer Lee more than mid level, if he stays for 1 year the team is definately a lot better. Signing on a young team with cap room usually appeals to guys if not why is Wade basically locked up for an extension.

7 years with a bad team repeatedly making things worse w/ trades & free agent signings, waiting one more year to be competititve is def. worth it. To everyone who think the Cavs have Lebron locked up look at their roster for next year already stuck with overrated guys like Mo Williams, Varajao, West, Gibson, and project young guys Hickson, Jackson, Eyanga. If Lebron stays they don’t have much cap room and and older supporting cast even when Shaq leaves.

toney douglas is the future point guard in ny

nyk2010…if hickson is a project then jordan hill has to be a project also because i dont think he is better than hickson..id say they are even…it doesnt make sense to say mo is overrated but yet say chandler galinari douglas are pretty good talent then sau duhon jeffries,curry darko are vets. come on now..i know you are a knicks fan but are u serious.the last 3 on the knicks falls under vets catagory but mo,west and varajao fall under the overrated catagory??????

to his credit he called the vets the problem so i don’t think he was giving them a compliment. The “vets” on the knicks are awful but they do have a decent amount of young players that COULD be really good one day.

Hill is a lot better than Hickson.
Duhon is a backup at best.
Darko still has some potential. Maybe being in this new system will help.
Jefferies & Curry are scrubs now. However, Curry has apparently gotten in good shape so we will see if he has improved.
Douglas is pretty good. I think he is just another combo guard though like Bayless, Foye, etc…
Chandler has potential but he will never be a star.
Galinari is the wild card. He has to really improve this year. If he becomes a bust then New York is in a little bit of trouble.

Varejao is overated & overpaid. I would rather have Jordan Hill starting at PF than Varejao.
Mo choked in the playoffs. So did West. They are both descent guards who just can’t get the job done when the pressure is on.

And i know this draft was weak but jordan hill was projected anywhere from 5-8 and hickson was projected early second round. I dont think it was that much weaker lol, so i will give the edge to hill for now. And i do think mo is overrated, thats not to say hes worse than chandler as a player but i don’t think hes as far ahead as people would say.

i know its a stupid arguement because they do have james, but hypothetically i can say im not being biased when i say knicks > cavs without lebron

how can you give hill the advantage when he hasnt even played in the nba yet?…ok my opinion is..darko is a bust chandler is good duhon is a back up douglas is unproven mo williams is a better pg then any pg the knicks have on there roster gallinari is unproven still and injury prone Varejao played well he is what he is and he does exactly what he is suppossed to do..delonte west produces….im not gonna argue much about about this because both teams players arent very good..out of all the ones you have named ill buy chandler being good young talent..i wont buy darko since hes played for three different teams and wasnt that good for any of them..duhon sucks..basically we are comparing 2 pretty average/below average group of players

and i do think danny green is gonna be a good player

If Lebron Leaves Cleveland…….Im Pretty Sure He Wouldn’t be Allowed to come back

i agree it is a good question why nobody wanted to come this summer! my answer is with players like kidd, hill or some other old FA is that they knew the knicks won´t be a good team next year! next summer that COULD be different (not saying it will happen) becuase they have more money and lets just take amare just for example they will be able to ensure him they are goning to go after antoher quality FA…
in general i think the knicks didn´t try to go after FA so desperatly like they will next year and with a much smaller amount of money that could be a reason for nobody coming… that doesn´t mean the question is bad it is just a possible answer!

okay i agree to your definiton of doing bad! for me talent on your team has to be considerd as well when we talk about success but that only makes it worse for the knicks! and youre right: the knicks are right now one of the worst teams in the league and will be next year!
all i´m saying is that they don´t have another possibility to hope for 2010!

so i see your points and agree to most of them but i would like to know what you would do if you where d’antoni/walsh? of course they are bad but they are trying to change that! or is there another way to do so in your opinion?

Josh….I give Hill the edge over Hickson because I have seen them both play a lot. Hill is simply the better player. I don’t have to see him play in the nba. Hill is taller, runs the floor way better, better defender, better rebounder, longer, etc..

Lets just assume David Lee stays in New York which is looking more & more likely. Look at who can surround LeBron in the 2010/2011 season. Which team do you honestly think is better? Big Z & Shaq will leave Cleveland after 2010. Both teams will have money to add more free agents in 2010 to help out LeBron.

PG-Mo Williams/Gibson
SG-Anthony Parker/West
SF-LeBron/Green
PF-Varejao/Hickson
C-????

PG- Douglas
SG- Chandler/Douglas
SF- LeBron/Gallinari
PF- Hill/Jefferies
C- Lee/Curry

Its pretty close…I think Douglas is a combo guard and would be better coming off the bench.. The Kicks need to sign a true PG. Who knows maybe the Knicks can somehow trade Curry &orJefferies. I think New York should pickup Livingston & Telfair in the 2010 free agent market. I think they could get both of them fairly cheap. Bonner would be a solid pickup (Lees’ former teammate). Obviously Bosh, Amare, Boozer, & Dirk are available. I think Boozer would be the easiest to acquire just guessing.

New Lineup
PG- Telfair/Livingston/Douglas
SG-Chandler/Douglas
SF-LeBron/Gallinari
PF-Boozer/Hill/Bonner
C-Lee/Hill/Bonner

Knicks would probably find a better PG in the 2011 free agent market. Assuming Telfair, Livingston, or Dougals didn’t develop into a solid starter.

You keep bringing up the Knicks not signing the players they targeted this offseason. Those players were Jason Kidd and Grant Hill. Kidd stayed in Dallas for much more money than the Knicks could have offered. Hil stayed in Phoenix because Nash is supposed to sign a contract extension. Neither of these players have ever won a championship and maybe in their crazy minds they think they can win where they are. Who knows. I’m not upset we missed out on them. More relieved. The Knicks were not/could not go full on after any free agents this year. It is well known that we are savingour load for next year and we just stuck our toe in free agnecy this year. If you dont believe that New York is a desirable destination then you are a fool. Why do so many NBA players talk about the grandeur of New York? Who are they trying to win brownie points from?

Came up with a pretty good trade for both of these teams (sign&trade)

Knicks get: Joe Johnson, Evans
Hawks get: David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Jefferies

I dont like it. We can probably sign Johnson in 2010 without losing Chandler and Lee.

That is a good point. Getting rid of Jefferies bad contract though helps a lot.

A Toronto fan is talking about a trash roster? You idiots just paid the Italian bust chucker like he’s something special. Not to mention you act like Hedo will be the answer. I’m just going to laugh when Derozan is a bust and Bosh leaves next year. Lee is better than anybody on your team except Bosh(who wont be there for long). Oh, Calderon is better than Duhon whoopdeedoo. You overpaid for your Euro-trio. Enjoy mediocrity for eternity.

Part of scouting is projecting how good of an nba player a person can become…that being said I am telling u that Hill is better than Hickson. After this season you will see exactly what I was talking about.

deshawynkeys91 is a idiot and a hater

You dont like NY so let is go why do u care why NY fans want to believe?