[zolaParticipant]

Utah receive Z-Bo

Memphis receive Marvin Williams and Andris Biedrins

In a short run it’s bad deal for both sides, because Utah is tanking and Memphis loses chances for playoff, but in a longer run Utah gets veteran leadership for their young backcourt and Memphis gets financial flexibility. Utah could limit Z-Bo’s playing time so they could contiune tanking. Memphis is barely playoff team even with Z-Bo and they doesn’t have great chances in playoff so it would be smarter to start rebuilding right now. Next year they can resign Ed Davis and draft Dario Saric, Noah Vonleh, Aaron Gordon or Perry Ellis

 

 

 

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Both.

Utah doesn’t need a big man that’s going to take minutes from Kanter and Favors.

Z-Bo also has much more value than Williams and Biedrins.

[TomShoeParticipant]

  No. Z-Bo is still a terrific player. Biedrins is washed up, and Williams is average at best. The only way Memphis would even sniff this trade is for a Wiggins or Parker in return, and why would Utah give up that?

[zolaParticipant]

Of course that Z-Bo is much better player than Williams and Biedrins, but I think even with him Memphis doesn’t have good chances to go to playoff, especially after Gasol’s injury. Even if they go to playoff they gonna be swept by 1st or 2nd seed team. This team reached his peak two years ago, especially Z-Bo and I think it’s time for rebuilding. Marc Gasol and Mike Conley are the core of this team and Tony Allen, Quincy Pondexter, Ed Davis and Kosta Koufos are good pieces. They can draft PF and sign free agent SG or draft SG and sign free agent PF. Without Z-Bo they would tank till 8-10th pick so they could draft Gary Harris, James Young or Wayne Selden. It’s not easy to find a equal value for guy like Z-Bo. He is still good player, but old and has a huge contract. Two expiring contract it’s not bad start for rebuilding cause they already have good core of players. Utah doesn’t have cap problems, they can absorb his contract. Favors and Kanter are starters, but they need bench help. There can be minutes for all of them. I think the only problem is that Utah’s tanking this year

[zolaParticipant]

Of course that Z-Bo is much better player than Williams and Biedrins, but I think even with him Memphis doesn’t have good chances to go to playoff, especially after Gasol’s injury. Even if they go to playoff they gonna be swept by 1st or 2nd seed team. This team reached his peak two years ago, especially Z-Bo and I think it’s time for rebuilding. Marc Gasol and Mike Conley are the core of this team and Tony Allen, Quincy Pondexter, Ed Davis and Kosta Koufos are good pieces. They can draft PF and sign free agent SG or draft SG and sign free agent PF. Without Z-Bo they would tank till 8-10th pick so they could draft Gary Harris, James Young or Wayne Selden. It’s not easy to find a equal value for guy like Z-Bo. He is still good player, but old and has a huge contract. Two expiring contract it’s not bad start for rebuilding cause they already have good core of players. Utah doesn’t have cap problems, they can absorb his contract. Favors and Kanter are starters, but they need bench help. There can be minutes for all of them. I think the only problem is that Utah’s tanking this year

[TomShoeParticipant]

  No. Z-Bo is still a terrific player. Biedrins is washed up, and Williams is average at best. The only way Memphis would even sniff this trade is for a Wiggins or Parker in return, and why would Utah give up that?

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Both.

Utah doesn’t need a big man that’s going to take minutes from Kanter and Favors.

Z-Bo also has much more value than Williams and Biedrins.

[bigblackNbeautifulParticipant]

 as a jazz fan id be pissed if we did anything but make our team younger. The less vets for corbin to be able to play the better.

 

 

[bigblackNbeautifulParticipant]

 as a jazz fan id be pissed if we did anything but make our team younger. The less vets for corbin to be able to play the better.

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

I see a lot of proposed Griz trades on our boards.  The thing about rebuilding in Memphis is Z Bo is up there in age, Marc Gasol will be 29 next season coming off a big injury, and Mike Conley may well have already peaked by this time next season.  THEN, we locked up Tony Allen long term, so he isn’t going anywhere, AND he would be a bad fit on a rebuild.

So, I think the Grizzlies should stick with what they have now.  When Marc gets back I think we can make a run at a final playoff spot.  Then we can see what happens.  I would make one final run in 2014-2015 with this same bunch (I might trade Prince though this offseason) THEN start blowing it up.

The Grizzlies don’t really have a bunch of guys to rebuild around. 

IF we did a rebuild then the best thing to do would be tank this season, get a top 5 pick, and bring the top rookie in to fit in with the rest of our guys.  Then trade Z Bo in 2016.

Another thing: if we rebuild after this season then we don’t have our 2015 first round pick.  So, it makes more sense to either tank this season, or just ride it out and do the rebuild after 2014-2015.

Z Bo could also be a guy like Moses Malone who can play at a pretty high level into his mid-thirties, and even stick around until he is 40. 

For the Jazz, Marvin Williams is an expiring contract.  I would value freeing up that money more than getting an aging all-star back. 

The Jazz should rebuild around Hayward, Favors, Burke, and Kanter plus whoever they get in this draft.

Other than that they should save their money and play MONEY BALL in free agency.

It looks like Andrew Wiggins is a guy who would fit right into that young core.  Him and Trey Burke in the backcourt with Gordon Hayward also on the perimeter.  Then you have Favors and Kanter inside.  In 3 or 4 years that should be a really good team.

… they can then add pieces (including free agent vets) around those guys and then also get a good player in the 2015 draft. 

The Utah Jazz should use the Thunders’ model for building a contender.  BUT they need to get a superstar out of this draft and get another good player in the 2015 draft. 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

I see a lot of proposed Griz trades on our boards.  The thing about rebuilding in Memphis is Z Bo is up there in age, Marc Gasol will be 29 next season coming off a big injury, and Mike Conley may well have already peaked by this time next season.  THEN, we locked up Tony Allen long term, so he isn’t going anywhere, AND he would be a bad fit on a rebuild.

So, I think the Grizzlies should stick with what they have now.  When Marc gets back I think we can make a run at a final playoff spot.  Then we can see what happens.  I would make one final run in 2014-2015 with this same bunch (I might trade Prince though this offseason) THEN start blowing it up.

The Grizzlies don’t really have a bunch of guys to rebuild around. 

IF we did a rebuild then the best thing to do would be tank this season, get a top 5 pick, and bring the top rookie in to fit in with the rest of our guys.  Then trade Z Bo in 2016.

Another thing: if we rebuild after this season then we don’t have our 2015 first round pick.  So, it makes more sense to either tank this season, or just ride it out and do the rebuild after 2014-2015.

Z Bo could also be a guy like Moses Malone who can play at a pretty high level into his mid-thirties, and even stick around until he is 40. 

For the Jazz, Marvin Williams is an expiring contract.  I would value freeing up that money more than getting an aging all-star back. 

The Jazz should rebuild around Hayward, Favors, Burke, and Kanter plus whoever they get in this draft.

Other than that they should save their money and play MONEY BALL in free agency.

It looks like Andrew Wiggins is a guy who would fit right into that young core.  Him and Trey Burke in the backcourt with Gordon Hayward also on the perimeter.  Then you have Favors and Kanter inside.  In 3 or 4 years that should be a really good team.

… they can then add pieces (including free agent vets) around those guys and then also get a good player in the 2015 draft. 

The Utah Jazz should use the Thunders’ model for building a contender.  BUT they need to get a superstar out of this draft and get another good player in the 2015 draft. 

[ksmith9Participant]

 So I agree with everything that was posted early except for the comparison of Randolph to Moses Malone, I love the Griz, they are top 2 for me to watch during the regular season(along with the Pacers), but to think that Randolph is Malone and could play another 6-8 years at a high level is VERY wishful thinking. I appreciate your enthusiasm as a fan, but that’s a little too farfetchd of an idea.  This trade is ridiculous in my opinion for the Grizzles, but the way I see it they are in a stalemate. They are stuck getting just out of lottery picks for a couple years. I don’t know what the Griz could do other than blow it up, though it would be sad to see that happen.

[ksmith9Participant]

 So I agree with everything that was posted early except for the comparison of Randolph to Moses Malone, I love the Griz, they are top 2 for me to watch during the regular season(along with the Pacers), but to think that Randolph is Malone and could play another 6-8 years at a high level is VERY wishful thinking. I appreciate your enthusiasm as a fan, but that’s a little too farfetchd of an idea.  This trade is ridiculous in my opinion for the Grizzles, but the way I see it they are in a stalemate. They are stuck getting just out of lottery picks for a couple years. I don’t know what the Griz could do other than blow it up, though it would be sad to see that happen.

[zolaParticipant]

Ok guys, I see you don’t like this idea, but don’t forget that many people were talking how Pau Gasol’s trade was disaster and it turned out not to be such a bad deal. Utah could also add their Warriors 1st round pick or their 2nd round pick

[zolaParticipant]

Ok guys, I see you don’t like this idea, but don’t forget that many people were talking how Pau Gasol’s trade was disaster and it turned out not to be such a bad deal. Utah could also add their Warriors 1st round pick or their 2nd round pick

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