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- Posted on: Sun, 05/08/2011 - 7:36pm #28724
TC_42ParticipantI know that everyone says that Westbrook has Durant and Rose has no one like that… and that its a huge advantage for Westbrook.
But Westbrook also has to work with Perkins, Thabo, Ibaka, Collison… not exactly guys who can set the world on fire offensively.
Meanwhile, Rose has Boozer, Deng, Korver, Noah (more offensively capable than Perkins), and Gibson… guys who are COLLECTIVELY more offensively talented and diverse than what the Thunder has.
My point is that maybe Russ shouldn’t get that excuse of having it easier by having Durant. If KD can get shut down (by Tony Allen, for example), Russ doesn’t seem to have many other options. While Rose’s options aren’t as good as KD, he does seem to have more of them who can do different things. So to what extent should Russ really really look to involve other guys who are offensively limited if KD is being denied or not being aggressive enough?
I love both guys and it sucks to see them struggling so often in the playoffs this year.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/08/2011 - 8:03pm #529848
Scottoant93ParticipantHe has Harden whos a pretty good scorer, This is where OKC will miss Jeff Green, who provided additional offense. The gave up offense for defense(Boston vice-versa). Either way, they’re is nothing wrong with Westbrook to take 20 shots a game, as along as they smart shots and not forced. He is a talented player but he needs to to get better shot selections.
Rose- He is the clear number one option, He does have teammates around him that can score but nothing on KD calibar, so he also is forced to take some bad shots(he needs to improve shot selection as well) but he breaks down the defense and sets up his teammates, something RW sometimes ignores to do.
There is no excuses for either, if they switched teams for each other, westbrook would be doing the same thing he does now, while rose would set up his teammates better and his scoring avg/ probably decrease
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/08/2011 - 8:08pm #529851
AaronMck91ParticipantRose has a good supporting cast but hes still missing that legit 2 guard to go alongside with him.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/08/2011 - 8:14pm #529854
DanEboyParticipantAgain, Durant is a superstar player. Playing alongside another superstar is miles better than playing along guys who can’t create shots for themselves. Korver, Noah and Boozer don’t create for themselves. And Deng is not a good ball handler.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/09/2011 - 2:52am #529880
Cardinal_FanParticipantThe key is Westbrook has a consistent perimeter threat alongside him that is a proven scorer, that has lead the league in scoring . Rose supporting cast, u juss never know wut your going to get (see Boozer), Deng may play huge 1 night an not show up for the next 2 games. With Bogans doesnt score and anything he does give you offensively is a plus, but you cant rely on him. Korver is juss a specialist nothing more, dont get me wrong when he gets hot its great, but you cant count on it night in an night out. Noah is a hustler who gets most of his points off offensive rebounds and hustle plays, hes not a guy u can call a play for or go 2 when u need a post bucket. Boozer is suppose to be that guy but throughout his career he has always struggled with the elite bigs, ecspecially wit their length, an when his jumpshot isnt falling he is nonexisting. Westbrook definately has the more talented roster imo.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/09/2011 - 4:20am #529899
NJHooper95ParticipantIts crazy that a team can have the league’s best record and when the playoffs come, all of sudden the team is not very good. Rose is great, but lets admit that outside of three good performances, that he has shot the ball often and terrible during the playoffs. We always hear great players make other players better. Well rose has to do that as well. What help does Chris Paul, but he made his team competitive? What help did Jason Kidd have when he lead the Nets to two finals? Great points guard make players better. Rose is a tremendous player at the point guard spot, but he is not the best point guard by definition. Westbook caught flak because he has Durant, but who else can score if it not Durant or Westbook?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/09/2011 - 4:22am #529900
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantExcept Rose has the best defense behind him.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/09/2011 - 5:31am #529922
Russell0WestbrookParticipantBoozer was suppose to be the bulls missing piece but he doesnt get enough touches. If Rose know he has to get off to a good start to be effective then its his job as the pg to make sure Booz gets going early. Westbrook had 1 game these playoffs where he was totally out of control and shot 30 times. If people acually watch the games he DOESN’T shoot more than Durant its just Durant gets fouled on his shot attempts and they dont count toward his total
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/09/2011 - 5:41am #529926
Russell0WestbrookParticipantThe Bulls don’t need Rose to shoot that many times to win they need to play defense and they will win thats been their problem in the playoffs they aren’t playing defense all that well. Watching the games Rose really only gets going when the hawks are dumb enough to put Crawford on him which I will never understand
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/09/2011 - 6:12am #529940
Memphis MadnessParticipantThe Bulls need a legit 2nd option. The Thunder needs a good third scorer. Someone who can get them 15 or 16 points a game. A lack of extra scorers puts too much stress on Westbrook and Rose.
… in game 4 at Atlanta, Rose missed a lot of shots, but he attacked. Korver went cold, as did Deng. Boozer scored most of his points on short jumpers. The inside guys killed Chicago. Josh Smith, Al Horford, and even Collins dealt Chicago the biggest blows. Noah and Boozer didn’t offer much defense. Taj Gibson played ok.
The Hawks are the better team. I am surprised though how well Jeff Teague has been doing. He is kicking butt. The Hawks have better offensive balance with Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, Teague, Smith, and Horford. The Hawks are playing bigger inside. The Hawks pieces fit better than the Bulls pieces do.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/09/2011 - 6:57am #529959
TallmanNYCParticipantLook it would be great for all these teams if they could add another good player, but you have to play with who you’ve got. The guy is trying to do everything in the playoffs and while he is averaging 30 points a game, he is also shooting 40%. He is also leading the NBA Playoffs with 3pt attempts which is just strange considering he isn’t a good shooter from that range.
The Bulls might want to consider going back to playing their bench a little more and resting Rose a bit. But maybe that would be a disaster and maybe the Bulls bench which was so good in the regular season can’t hold it down against other teams who keep riding their starters.
Anyway, it has been a great playoffs so far!
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/09/2011 - 7:59am #529981
SteroidParticipantI was just going to post that, Tongue it out. lol Rose can afford to play hero ball and jack up almost whenever because they have great team defense, and not just because he’s the only player that can create for himself and others. Rose does have the better team, but Durant two times better than any player on the Bulls, outside of Rose. Also, I think half of Durant getting "shut down" by Tony Allen or whatever is Westbrook not getting him the ball enough.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/09/2011 - 8:43am #529989
billykParticipantRose can’t win a championship by himself, he is going through the same thing Lebron went through (kinda ironic)….
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/09/2011 - 8:45am #529990
kobyzParticipantthis the type of game the Bulls play from the start, they prepare themselves to play this offense from the begining of the season, with what they have they thought it’s the best chance for them to succeed, so all the team adapted to play like this, with Rose being most of the offense and others players work on making for him better opportunities to attack and score, with Boozer and Deng play off of him and live on residues, with Noah making conscious offensive rebound plays when Rose drive knowing Rose will procure help, and more things like this.
unlike the Bulls you can see that the Tunder are not adapted to play like this!!
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/09/2011 - 8:45am #529991
kobyzParticipantthis the type of game the Bulls play from the start, they prepare themselves to play this offense from the begining of the season, with what they have they thought it’s the best chance for them to succeed, so all the team adapted to play like this, with Rose being most of the offense and others players work on making for him better opportunities to attack and score, with Boozer and Deng play off of him and live on residues, with Noah making conscious offensive rebound plays when Rose drive knowing Rose will procure help, and more things like this.
unlike the Bulls you can see that the Tunder are not adapted to play like this!!
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