[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

He is the first player in NBA history to have a triple-double consisting of 15+ points, 15+ rebounds, 20+ assists.

His triple-double

• 18 points
• 17 rebounds
• 20 assists

That’s something out of a video game.  That’s to all the people that say he’s not a top-5 point guard.

By the way, the stats they put up saying Jason Kidd is the only player who had a triple-double of 15+/15+/15+ is incorrect.  Magic Johnson did it twice as well and Larry Bird once.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

 Yea, he’s top 3 PG easily and that game today proved it.

Only a jumpshot away from being #1.

 

[surveParticipant]

 when we had the Felton (elite) thread going, there were guys saying Rondo wasnt elite.  if he isnt I dont know what elite is then.

if your name isnt Robertson, James, or Kidd, then coming by triple doubles is kind of rare.  right now Rondo is the king of triple doubles….but he is the smallest guy on the court most of the time.  He gets triples with ease…and he one day will get a quadruple when he racks up the steals.

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

I still don’t think he is a top 3 point guard without a jumpshot but top 5 for sure. Very impressive can’t believe Ainge keeps putting him on the trade block. 

[surveParticipant]

 if that game wouldve went an extra period he wouldve been the first with 20/20/20

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

 Yeah, give Rondo an extra 3-4 minutes, he would have had a 20/20/20 game, and those are some ridiculous numbers.  Hell, probably with 2 extra minutes.

[WälseParticipant]

 he’s definitely elite, but i would say Rose, Westbrook, Williams, Paul, & Parker are all better players in no particular order…

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

 Tough to say who is the best PG in the game, but when Rondo has games like this I will tell you something we can call agree on: at $10 million a season he is great value. All those other guys (except maybe Parker) are playing on Max contracts, I think. 

[seniokasParticipant]

Incredible. And it’s his 3rd triple-double in last 4 games… If his C’s are doing well I consider him as a 3rd best PG after Rose and Paul, although if Nets were better team who knows D-Williams is also a great point guard on his own.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

 Rondo I.Q has to be top 3 highest in the NBA, like if you really saw that game today, if you thought any less of him, your respect had to go up, minus the 5-17 shooting, he looked brilliant.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Key thing is he was aggressive wich is what Doc wants. Kid can play like this more than he does. Hopefully the trade talk has pissed him off. He is better than Parker,Westbrook too. I don’t even put those other guys(Rose,Paul,Williams) ahead of him because they all have weakness in their game somewhere. I just think people get gassed up on scoring pg’s. Rondo is better than them all in every aspect of the game except shooting the J. Not the priority of your PG.

[river09Participant]

 The fact he can get 17 rebounds at his size is incredible. Also he is one of the more dangerous defenders in the league. 1 steal and 1 block went along with this statline.. And only 4 turnovers. Wow… lol I’ll forgive him for the 7-20 from the field.. 

[WälseParticipant]

 all good points, but he’s an offensive liability at times…some teams don’t even bother guarding him (his man doing the whole free safety thing)…i have a hard time putting a player with that level of deficiency as a top 3 point guard

[aamir543Participant]

Rose, Paul, Westbrook, and Williams to an extent are the only Points better than Rondo.

I would actually put Rondo ahead of Williams. Rondo has  a great all around game, and as soon as he develops a jump shot and can get you 17, 12 and  7, than he may overtake Westbrook. Nonetheless, he is an elite point guard, no doubt about it.

[WälseParticipant]

 Don’t forget his game against Kyrie Irving the other night…(0-6 fg, 0 pts, 11 ast, 3 reb)

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

Don’t forget he leads the league in triple doubles this year….as a PG 

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Not only does he put up numbers, but he plays defense.  He is the best defensive point-guard in the league and he can shut-down/slow-down nearly any point guard in the L when he really puts his mind into it.

Not to mention, he controls the tempo of the game.  Guys like Westbrook, Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, and Rajon Rondo are probably the only point guards that can control tempo.  Rondo and Paul being the only two that can control a game completely without even scoring.  I don’t even think Deron Williams has the ability to do that.  Williams, Westbrook, and Rose all need to score for them to control the game.  That’s the biggest difference between a pure point-guard and a scoring point-guard.

[Hi its BenParticipant]

Rose always destroys him when they play each other..

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

 "Rose always destroys him when they play each other.."

Rose vs Rondo head-to-head

Regular season:

Derrick Rose:

• 21.4ppg
• 5.3apg
• 3.9rpg
• 0.3spg
• 3topg
• 48% FG
• (6-6) record

Rajon Rondo

• 11.4ppg
• 10.8apg
• 5.0rpg
• 2.4spg
• 2.3topg
• 45% FG
• (6-6) record

Playoffs:

Derrick Rose

• 19.7ppg
• 6.4apg
• 6.3rpg
• 0.6spg
• 5.0topg
• 49% FG
• (3-4) record

Rajon Rondo

• 19.4ppg
• 9.3apg
• 9.3rpg
• 2.7spg
• 2.1topg
• 45% FG
• (4-3) record

Not exactly "destroying" numbers.  Especially in the playoffs where Rondo averaged a triple-double and Rose had 5 turnovers a game and was almost out-scored by Rondo.

[A Lil EnglishParticipant]

I don’t see how thats relevant to Rondo beasting tonight. Rose goes out to destroy everyone.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 It’s really not hard at all to tell who is the best PG in the league and that’s Chris Paul.  I can’t even fathom how people argue this.  We saw when Rose got hurt that Chicago is still a playoff team without him.  Take Paul off the Clippers and they don’t even sniff the playoffs. Theres like a 20 point difference with Paul on the court compared to off and when he’s off they usually still had an All Star manning the point in Mo Williams and Chauncey.

And I don’t even have to remind you how much he meant to the Hornets.  Like last years team should of been in the Kyrie lottery but instead they nearly upset the Lakers in the playoffs because Paul was possessed.  

Rose is a great and is a future hall of famer is he can stay healthy don’t get me wrong.  But he’s not a better PG then Paul.

Rondo is the 2nd best Pure PG in the league.  I put him ahead of Nash because Rondo is plays defense and Deron Williams is right there too but Rondo is a basketball genius.

Everybody whose coached Rondo has said he’s probably the smartest player in the league.  Even Coach K said this.  

In terms of the best players at the PG position I would still put Paul, Rose, and Deron ahead of him.  Rondo is better then Westbrook tho because he understands how to control a game on a way higher level then Westbrook does.  

And I don’t consider somebody who averages 14ppg on 47% shooting an offensive liability that’s just ridiculous and a gross exagerration.

His game today that was one for the ages.  I thought he had 20 rebounds at first when I saw the box score and it said 17 then 20 i thought it meant 17 defensive rebounds and 20 total I had to look at it like 5 times to realize the stat line I was witnessing.  

This is like his 3rd triple double in the last few games he’s been dominating.

[akhan786Participant]

The crazy thing is he’s done it before…

Anybody remember his 29 points 18 rbs and 13 assists effort in game 4 against the Lebron led Cavs in the PLAYOFFS. This was the same game 4 that spelled the beginning of the end for Lebron’s time in Cleveland.

 

[surveParticipant]

 here is the thing when arguing who is best….

I have no argument with saying Paul is the best.  He carried the Hornets.  When DWill is playing great on a winning team, he makes his case.  Rose is just a dominant physical force who has improved his shooting and efficiency.

Rondo stakes his claim as well but people cant fathom it because he doesnt have a jumper or he is not a great scorer.  He is unusual.  Nevertheless, when you talk "best" in anything, to me that means dominance.  We say Lebron is the best player in the world.  Why?  Not because he is the most versatile, but because he can flat out dominate.

The way CP3 can dominate a game, Rondo can do the same thing, just in a different way.  The thing about Rondo is, he can dominate every single game he plays, but do it differently on each night.  Whether its with defense, passing, etc…

I know some here think triple doubles are overated.  I am not of that opinion.  It is ridiculously hard to achieve at this level, but for a guy who is like 6’1" 180lbs or something, it takes an extraordinary high I.Q.

[surveParticipant]

 one thing that irks me though is, everytime there are trade rumors, they ask Ainge is Rondo being actively shopped.  of course he is gonna say no, so why even ask him.  those rumors dont just come from no where.  if Rondo gets traded, expect the ceremonial politically correct speech from the Celts front office.  thats just the nature of the biz.  one thing is for sure though, after today’s game, they can get damn near what they want for him if they are willing to let him go.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I know it was reported last year by numerous sources that Ainge offered Rondo to Presti for Westbrook.  He also offered Rondo for Steph Curry and was turned down both times.  The Warriors really should of jumped all over that trade but then again they’re the Warriors.

Rondo for Westbrook is interesting tho.  I do think that while they are both great fits for their current teams, that they would be even better fits for the other teams.  The Celtics need Westbrooks dyanamic scoring ability, and superstar potential, and the Thunder could  really use Rondo’s brilliance controlling that offense.  I think the Thunder become an even more legit contender with Rondo and that Rondo would make sure KD wins the scoring title every year averaging over 30ppg easily, and Harden would start putting up 20 a game.

Westbrook would become a superstar in Boston and put up huge numbers tho they I don’t necessarily think they get better but they might become more dangerous.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

 I hear Ainge doesn’t like Rondo’s attitude,immutaurity and diva ways and that’s why he wants to trade him……

Hey Ainge Boston doesn’t win that ring if Rondo didn’t grow up and LEAD!

[llperez]

i would take 4 pg’s over rondo without hesitation: rose, paul, williams and westbrook. Rondo is arguably number 5 though with nash and parker right on his heels. I mean he is still incredibly inconsistent. The lakers always shut him down it seems. His last 3 games are all good but his 2 games previous he combined for 5 points on 1-11 shooting and 11 turnovers. Teams play off him making it harder for his teammates to get open sometimes since he doesnt have defenders resepcting him. Hes very good, but not better then those other 4.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Rondo is too hot and cold for me.

He mentally checks out sometimes. And his lack of shooting ability, especially from the line, makes me pause…

 

 

 

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

 i love rondo… but westbrook and nash r still better…. dont get caught in the moment ppl

[WälseParticipant]

 agreed, today it’s easy to make a case for Rondo, but I can’t fathom anyone saying Rondo is better than Williams, Rose, or Paul…top 5 I won’t argue much, but top 3 is ludicrous

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

"The lakers always shut him down it seems."

Rondo vs Lakers (regular season in the last 4 seasons, when Rondo became more relevant)

• 13.2 PPG
• 4.7 RPG
• 11.4 APG

Rondo vs Lakers (playoffs in 2010)

• 13.5ppg
• 6.2rpg
• 7.5apg
• 1 triple double

Not exactly "shut down".  Seems like average Rondo to me.

[llperez]

@ toungeout:   go watch the 2010 finals. ROndo was killing teams in the playoffs that year. I dont care about stats, he was controlling the games vs everyone else. VS the lakers, kobe was on him all series and rondo never ever for even one game took over. His stats can be misleading becasue the type of player he is, he will always fill the box scores. But watch him play and see how he controls the game. Against kobe who he is always matched with vs the lakers, he has not been a dominate player at all. You bring up the last 4 seasons vs the lakers and the the celtics are 2-5 vs the lakers reg season over that span and then you have the 2010 finals where the lakers won. I mean look at those nuumbers you brought up. 13/11/5 reg season and 14/8/6 finals. Solid but not top 5 pg when you factor in the record and how much the lakers play off him daring him to shoot.

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

Rondo’s main nemesis has always been consistency.  When he’s on he controls the game like VERY few others in all facets, but it seems like he too often coasts.  Anyone remember how amazing he looked pre-Perkins trade last year?  When he’s pushing the ball to the basket or posting up, he’s effectively unguardable.  I’m curious what he’d do in an up-tempo system like Denver or with more shooters like Indy, but, really, I think his greatest enemy is himself.

[Ghost01Participant]

Yea, he’s top 3 PG easily and that game today proved it.

Only a jumpshot away from being #1.

 

No, he’s not easily a top 5 point guard. He has a game like this about once a month, is a cancer in the lockeroom, and smart/good teams stand 5 feet off him and he basically can’t do anything.

 

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