[mookieParticipant]

 I’m not sure if I’m missing something with what Philly is doing.   Philly has been and is planning on continuing to tank and draft a bunch of top 10 picks.  What I don’t get is, the potential for a player drafted in the top 10 to become a star is obviously higher than say late 1st rounds and 2nd rounders.  And of course star players, after their rookie contract will want max money.  If Philly continues to tank and all their draft picks turn out to be stars…how will they afford them all?  I mean they can go over the cap to retain but then you’re talking about luxury taxes.  I know they do have other options like sign and trade if a player won’t re-sign with them but why go through all the tanking just to do that?  Any thoughts?

[ballislyfe25Participant]

 In regards to how they will afford them all…they won’t. They will go the Oklahoma City/Sam Presti route and turn their asset into more assets before they lose the player for nothing. 

That being said, I personally hope teams like the Thunder and (possibly) Sixers would be willing to keep young, core players together and go over the cap to do so. It sucks for the people like us and true fans when young/contending teams make cost cutting moves. 

[ballislyfe25Participant]

 In regards to how they will afford them all…they won’t. They will go the Oklahoma City/Sam Presti route and turn their asset into more assets before they lose the player for nothing. 

That being said, I personally hope teams like the Thunder and (possibly) Sixers would be willing to keep young, core players together and go over the cap to do so. It sucks for the people like us and true fans when young/contending teams make cost cutting moves. 

[OhCanada-Participant]

Philly has been known to spend monet so there should be no problems regarding the luxary tax.

The game plan is acquire assets. Sort of like in the video games. Hinkie just wants valuable assets. He will continue to try to get high potential assets for a low price and also trade assets for more assets and create assets through development while keeping the cap clear and acquiring high draft picks.
Ill say right now that I love what they are doing. I think it will all come together in 2016-2017. Until then patience is a virtue.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Philly has been known to spend monet so there should be no problems regarding the luxary tax.

The game plan is acquire assets. Sort of like in the video games. Hinkie just wants valuable assets. He will continue to try to get high potential assets for a low price and also trade assets for more assets and create assets through development while keeping the cap clear and acquiring high draft picks.
Ill say right now that I love what they are doing. I think it will all come together in 2016-2017. Until then patience is a virtue.

[JJ_PRParticipant]

Philly’s strategy? Lose, lose and lose. Get high draft picks and take the best player available. Don’t know what Hinkie will do after acquiring all those players. I think the 76ers have enough talent to start acquiring some free agents or maybe do a trade for a star. Things could get ugly in a hurry if Hinkie doesn’t capitalize on brings a star.

[JJ_PRParticipant]

Philly’s strategy? Lose, lose and lose. Get high draft picks and take the best player available. Don’t know what Hinkie will do after acquiring all those players. I think the 76ers have enough talent to start acquiring some free agents or maybe do a trade for a star. Things could get ugly in a hurry if Hinkie doesn’t capitalize on brings a star.

[cozmojimParticipant]

 Having more talent than you can afford is a good problem to have. Also keep in mind that Phili seems to be going for the high risk high reward prospects, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up with some busts too.

[cozmojimParticipant]

 Having more talent than you can afford is a good problem to have. Also keep in mind that Phili seems to be going for the high risk high reward prospects, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up with some busts too.

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Neg me if you want, but I really hope Philly’s strategy doesn’t work. Anything in sports that is predicated on TRYING to lose is in my opinion unsportsmanlike. 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Neg me if you want, but I really hope Philly’s strategy doesn’t work. Anything in sports that is predicated on TRYING to lose is in my opinion unsportsmanlike. 

[MattP31Participant]

 Normally I’d agree with you but the NBA is set up so different than other sports. You can’t trade for a star player without a star level player/prospect. You can’t bring in elite FA’s without having other stars to attract them. You can’t draft franchise players outside of the top few picks with some few exceptions.

In sports like MLB and NFL, rosters are so deep that you can afford to scout and build your team in non-star ways. Look at the Oakland A’s and New England Patriots. Even similar in the NHL

However in the NBA, small roster sizes and the fact you only play 5 guys at once, one individual has more impact on a game than in any other sport.

Sixers could have not done this and stayed in the #6-8 seed range forever, but you can’t win championships or attract stars that way

[MattP31Participant]

 Normally I’d agree with you but the NBA is set up so different than other sports. You can’t trade for a star player without a star level player/prospect. You can’t bring in elite FA’s without having other stars to attract them. You can’t draft franchise players outside of the top few picks with some few exceptions.

In sports like MLB and NFL, rosters are so deep that you can afford to scout and build your team in non-star ways. Look at the Oakland A’s and New England Patriots. Even similar in the NHL

However in the NBA, small roster sizes and the fact you only play 5 guys at once, one individual has more impact on a game than in any other sport.

Sixers could have not done this and stayed in the #6-8 seed range forever, but you can’t win championships or attract stars that way

[foochiemorrisParticipant]

 So following the rule as they are written is unsportsmanlilke? All this tanking for draft picks talk is a mute point if you fix the CBA. Allow teams to build, and not be kept down by Allan Houston type contracts. The NBA has way too many players collecting checks to NOT play. Guaranteed contracts have/are ruining the league.  "fixing the draft" is a bandaid on a compound fracture.

[foochiemorrisParticipant]

 So following the rule as they are written is unsportsmanlilke? All this tanking for draft picks talk is a mute point if you fix the CBA. Allow teams to build, and not be kept down by Allan Houston type contracts. The NBA has way too many players collecting checks to NOT play. Guaranteed contracts have/are ruining the league.  "fixing the draft" is a bandaid on a compound fracture.

[burgessfourParticipant]

 going the high potential route. Noel, Embiid and Saric all fit the same profile. I’m not sure they’re even looking to the day of possibly trading for a superstar. If enough of the players they draft turn out good enough for max contracts and they have even potential cap problems, they will measure out whether they want to exceed the cap or trade a player or two for young talent/picks.

[burgessfourParticipant]

 going the high potential route. Noel, Embiid and Saric all fit the same profile. I’m not sure they’re even looking to the day of possibly trading for a superstar. If enough of the players they draft turn out good enough for max contracts and they have even potential cap problems, they will measure out whether they want to exceed the cap or trade a player or two for young talent/picks.

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 is going the potential route so far that the guys they get aren’t just upside guys they are "only upside" because they won’t play at all. Normally when someone drafts a upside rookie that implies they are still a raw talent and might not get playing time this year or needs to refine his abilities. Philly will draft a guy that is certainly 100% not going to play that year and or may never play at all because of very serious injury risk or being a oversea guy. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 is going the potential route so far that the guys they get aren’t just upside guys they are "only upside" because they won’t play at all. Normally when someone drafts a upside rookie that implies they are still a raw talent and might not get playing time this year or needs to refine his abilities. Philly will draft a guy that is certainly 100% not going to play that year and or may never play at all because of very serious injury risk or being a oversea guy. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 

The Clippers made a lot of money simply selling youth in a big market for years. The Lamar Odom, Darius Miles, Quentin Richardson years I was a fan. Philly could simply be in it for the money and trade away All Stars and good players for lottery picks. It turned out to be a good call with Jrue but it could have easily back fired. 

All Philly has showed is they can make money. I personally think they are pulling a Sarver in wanting injured guys so the insurance can pick up the tab. They didn’t have to pay Noel out of pocket last year and won’t pay Embiid this year. They made 10 million last year befor arena revenue and non basketball income (whatever the hell that means). They were the sole big market team that is unable to collect revenue sharing (CBA disallows it for large markets) but didn’t have to pay into it and also somehow bring in a profit. 

We all hope they want to be good in the future and create this Thunder/Cavs model. The Thunder model is ideal but the Cavs model is what happens when you miss on a pick or two. Philly has no finacial incentive to invest in a better on the court product as of now. Philly fans are in no rush and like the idea at least the fans on the internet so there is no external pressure to improve that product at all.  

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 

The Clippers made a lot of money simply selling youth in a big market for years. The Lamar Odom, Darius Miles, Quentin Richardson years I was a fan. Philly could simply be in it for the money and trade away All Stars and good players for lottery picks. It turned out to be a good call with Jrue but it could have easily back fired. 

All Philly has showed is they can make money. I personally think they are pulling a Sarver in wanting injured guys so the insurance can pick up the tab. They didn’t have to pay Noel out of pocket last year and won’t pay Embiid this year. They made 10 million last year befor arena revenue and non basketball income (whatever the hell that means). They were the sole big market team that is unable to collect revenue sharing (CBA disallows it for large markets) but didn’t have to pay into it and also somehow bring in a profit. 

We all hope they want to be good in the future and create this Thunder/Cavs model. The Thunder model is ideal but the Cavs model is what happens when you miss on a pick or two. Philly has no finacial incentive to invest in a better on the court product as of now. Philly fans are in no rush and like the idea at least the fans on the internet so there is no external pressure to improve that product at all.  

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 it won’t happen orgaically. I don’t know what year they have planned to win 50 games but if they keep up this path its probably going to work. 

Noel was my favorite prospect last year and Embiid if healthy was an automatic pick this year if I had the first pick. I like what Philly is doing but we have no evidence that they plan to stop tanking in the next three years. The moves they make indicate that they plan to stop tanking is a longer term plan than other teams who recently tried it. 

Hopefully somebody will comment and give a reason to believe that Philly will eventually stop tanking other than that’s what they woud do.

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 it won’t happen orgaically. I don’t know what year they have planned to win 50 games but if they keep up this path its probably going to work. 

Noel was my favorite prospect last year and Embiid if healthy was an automatic pick this year if I had the first pick. I like what Philly is doing but we have no evidence that they plan to stop tanking in the next three years. The moves they make indicate that they plan to stop tanking is a longer term plan than other teams who recently tried it. 

Hopefully somebody will comment and give a reason to believe that Philly will eventually stop tanking other than that’s what they woud do.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 That has won a title quickly recently from sucking and getting high picks? Spurs no, Heat no, Mavs no Celtics needed to make smart trades but no yound talent beside Rondo. So the NBA is not different it does not work that way. Still want to see someone prove it to me. Middle of the pack that gets a good FA or makes great trades is what gets it done. Prove me wrong please. Examples before you Neg. Lebron won in Miami but not Cleveland. Rose still has not won. OKC no title. Minny no titles. Philly is not even close unless they deal guys. You are either elite and brake through or middle and make moves. Fact

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 That has won a title quickly recently from sucking and getting high picks? Spurs no, Heat no, Mavs no Celtics needed to make smart trades but no yound talent beside Rondo. So the NBA is not different it does not work that way. Still want to see someone prove it to me. Middle of the pack that gets a good FA or makes great trades is what gets it done. Prove me wrong please. Examples before you Neg. Lebron won in Miami but not Cleveland. Rose still has not won. OKC no title. Minny no titles. Philly is not even close unless they deal guys. You are either elite and brake through or middle and make moves. Fact

[NeggedAlterEgosAlterEgo]

okc came pretty close and if they didn’t trade harden might of had.

If clevleand wins they would have drafted all their players from sucking yes LeBron joined back because he was drafted their so you can say they drafted majority of their core and won from sucking IF THEY WIN ONE.

[NeggedAlterEgosAlterEgo]

okc came pretty close and if they didn’t trade harden might of had.

If clevleand wins they would have drafted all their players from sucking yes LeBron joined back because he was drafted their so you can say they drafted majority of their core and won from sucking IF THEY WIN ONE.

[TimberTrollParticipant]

 The Celtics traded 1st rounders like Al Jefferson, Telfair, Gerald Green for Kevin Garnett. They traded their 5th overall pick (Jeff Green) for Ray Allen. 

[TimberTrollParticipant]

 The Celtics traded 1st rounders like Al Jefferson, Telfair, Gerald Green for Kevin Garnett. They traded their 5th overall pick (Jeff Green) for Ray Allen. 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 A team can try to be just mediorce and end up real bad. The Bucks, Pistons and pre tank mode Jazz are examples over the last few years. The Pistons thought maybe Brandon Jennings, Stuckey, Josh Smith, Greg Monroe and Drummond was good enough to make the playoffs. That seems like at least a good line up. Those are all starter quality players in the League on the right teams but not as one team. Those Jazz teams with Millsap and Jefferson also, they had what would seem like a mix of young talent and vets but it didn’t work out.  

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 A team can try to be just mediorce and end up real bad. The Bucks, Pistons and pre tank mode Jazz are examples over the last few years. The Pistons thought maybe Brandon Jennings, Stuckey, Josh Smith, Greg Monroe and Drummond was good enough to make the playoffs. That seems like at least a good line up. Those are all starter quality players in the League on the right teams but not as one team. Those Jazz teams with Millsap and Jefferson also, they had what would seem like a mix of young talent and vets but it didn’t work out.  

[cozmojimParticipant]

How do you think the Spurs got Duncan. How do you think the Mavs got Dirk? I know it was almost  2 decades ago but those teams had to suck to get thier stars. Smart/ lucky drafting is and always has been the top way for bad teams to get stars.

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

Spurs got ‘lucky’ Robinson got hurt, who basically was their team, which made them in one of the worst teams giving them the no1 pick. Dirk was picked 9th and was essentially a very good find for those Mavericks. Philly sucks ‘on purpose’, they want to lose several seasons in a row to get high draft picks and assemble a team in that way. Totally different situations imo.

[cozmojimParticipant]

The Spurs are different, that was a unique situation. But the Mavs were a dumpster fire in the 90s, and very comparable to the sixers of today.

[cozmojimParticipant]

The Spurs are different, that was a unique situation. But the Mavs were a dumpster fire in the 90s, and very comparable to the sixers of today.

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

Spurs got ‘lucky’ Robinson got hurt, who basically was their team, which made them in one of the worst teams giving them the no1 pick. Dirk was picked 9th and was essentially a very good find for those Mavericks. Philly sucks ‘on purpose’, they want to lose several seasons in a row to get high draft picks and assemble a team in that way. Totally different situations imo.

[cozmojimParticipant]

How do you think the Spurs got Duncan. How do you think the Mavs got Dirk? I know it was almost  2 decades ago but those teams had to suck to get thier stars. Smart/ lucky drafting is and always has been the top way for bad teams to get stars.

[NeggedAlterEgosAlterEgo]

I don’t think they a trade for a superstar  but if  a harden kind of deal emerges I think they will take it in the future.

I just feel as tho they should sign Monroe and/or Bledsoe this year in flip them at some point if not keep Monroe as stated who knows how noel and joel will turn out.

philly is a big enough market for you to go over plus the new tv deal will raise the cap some say. they can keep all their players if they turn out good  they wont demand crazy contracts being that haven’t been in the league to long.

as  said before they could utilize some prospects while their on their rookie deal and flip them later on for more assets. Its a lot of things they can do but it all banks on the nba not changing the lottery system right now.

what a rookie of the year in mcw and a rookie of the year candidate in noel its hard to argue that the sixers aren’t doing something right. yes I wish they got another pick from the pelicans for jru but they didn’t I don’t see them failing they should have solid rebuilt core around 2018 trying to make the playoffs.

the strategy is to field the best team they can in the future and not care about now. its being criticized  but I speak on behalf of every philly fan WE ARE SICK IN TIRED OF BEING 8TH SEEDS EVERY YEAR AND LOSING IN THE FIRST ROUND BEING STUCK WITH AVERAGE PLAYERS.

the first time in my life as a sixer fan they are trying to create something special.

[NeggedAlterEgosAlterEgo]

I don’t think they a trade for a superstar  but if  a harden kind of deal emerges I think they will take it in the future.

I just feel as tho they should sign Monroe and/or Bledsoe this year in flip them at some point if not keep Monroe as stated who knows how noel and joel will turn out.

philly is a big enough market for you to go over plus the new tv deal will raise the cap some say. they can keep all their players if they turn out good  they wont demand crazy contracts being that haven’t been in the league to long.

as  said before they could utilize some prospects while their on their rookie deal and flip them later on for more assets. Its a lot of things they can do but it all banks on the nba not changing the lottery system right now.

what a rookie of the year in mcw and a rookie of the year candidate in noel its hard to argue that the sixers aren’t doing something right. yes I wish they got another pick from the pelicans for jru but they didn’t I don’t see them failing they should have solid rebuilt core around 2018 trying to make the playoffs.

the strategy is to field the best team they can in the future and not care about now. its being criticized  but I speak on behalf of every philly fan WE ARE SICK IN TIRED OF BEING 8TH SEEDS EVERY YEAR AND LOSING IN THE FIRST ROUND BEING STUCK WITH AVERAGE PLAYERS.

the first time in my life as a sixer fan they are trying to create something special.

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

so far…….They are not trying to build something special. They are trying to build something terrible, very very terrible with the hope of something special coming out of it in the distant future, maybe. 

The proof is the moves made guarantee 50 loss seasons and maybe in three to four years they might have a 50 win season. They are guaranteeing 3 to 4 50 loss seasons.  

 

 

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

so far…….They are not trying to build something special. They are trying to build something terrible, very very terrible with the hope of something special coming out of it in the distant future, maybe. 

The proof is the moves made guarantee 50 loss seasons and maybe in three to four years they might have a 50 win season. They are guaranteeing 3 to 4 50 loss seasons.  

 

 

 

[220Participant]

 I don’t think they are trying to build something terrible as much as they just aren’t trying to win right now. If they truly wanted to be terrible they would’ve dumped MCW and Thaddeus Young for spare parts at the deadline along with Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes. If they wanted to be terrible rather than not winning right now they also wouldn’t have bothered to keep their lottery picks that ended up being Joel Embiid and Dario Saric they just would’ve traded those picks for spare change.

The 76ers just don’t want to try to win right now so they are bringing in as many young guys as they can who aren’t necessarily NBA ready so they can hopefully develop along with some of the younger prospects they like such as MCW, Nerlens Noel, and Tony Wroten. The 76ers look to have at least scored one guy who didn’t come into the league NBA ready in Henry Sims. It seems Sims can at least be a solid rotational player in the NBA.

  I also imagine all three of the 76ers second round draft picks this year KJ McDaniels, Jerami Grant, and Jordan McRae will make the opening day roster. McDaniels, Grant, and McRae will likely get a lot of opportunities to prove themselves considering the 76ers don’t have clear cut starters at the 2 and the 3 if Wroten stays as 6th man and the 76ers don’t decide to bench or limit Jason Richardson’s minutes.

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

The problem is that they aren’t trying to get to the lottery they are trying to lose 60 games. For 4 or 5 years in a row! They can keep Thad and MCW and lose 55 games easy, they already proved it with Hawes and Evan Turner for 50 games. Imagine how bad they are going to be. 

I think Jason Richardson is there so they can collect the insurance money and he won’t play until close to the trading deadline. 

I’m saying you can sell potential in the meantime and if nothing ever comes of it then screw it, start over. The Clips in the 90’s/early 2000’s did the same and made a ton of money. We don’t know if Philly has the same approach. All we know is they used 3 lottery picks(6th in 2013 on Noel, 3rd on Embiid, 12 on Saric) in the last two years and in the 2014 season those 3 lottery piks are going to play about 60 games at 24 minutes a game. All of those minutes and games are going to Noel. 

They don’t even sign mediocre minimum free agents they get guys that aren’t top 20 D League players like Brandon Davies. WTF if starting Hollis Thompson 41 games with a 9.5 PER and having Arnet Moultrie as the 6th highest paid player on your team isn’t trying to be terrible, then what is? How about starting the next season with two lotery picks in a above average draft and still having Holis Thompson penciled in as a starter?

 

 

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

The problem is that they aren’t trying to get to the lottery they are trying to lose 60 games. For 4 or 5 years in a row! They can keep Thad and MCW and lose 55 games easy, they already proved it with Hawes and Evan Turner for 50 games. Imagine how bad they are going to be. 

I think Jason Richardson is there so they can collect the insurance money and he won’t play until close to the trading deadline. 

I’m saying you can sell potential in the meantime and if nothing ever comes of it then screw it, start over. The Clips in the 90’s/early 2000’s did the same and made a ton of money. We don’t know if Philly has the same approach. All we know is they used 3 lottery picks(6th in 2013 on Noel, 3rd on Embiid, 12 on Saric) in the last two years and in the 2014 season those 3 lottery piks are going to play about 60 games at 24 minutes a game. All of those minutes and games are going to Noel. 

They don’t even sign mediocre minimum free agents they get guys that aren’t top 20 D League players like Brandon Davies. WTF if starting Hollis Thompson 41 games with a 9.5 PER and having Arnet Moultrie as the 6th highest paid player on your team isn’t trying to be terrible, then what is? How about starting the next season with two lotery picks in a above average draft and still having Holis Thompson penciled in as a starter?

 

 

 

[220Participant]

 I don’t think they are trying to build something terrible as much as they just aren’t trying to win right now. If they truly wanted to be terrible they would’ve dumped MCW and Thaddeus Young for spare parts at the deadline along with Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes. If they wanted to be terrible rather than not winning right now they also wouldn’t have bothered to keep their lottery picks that ended up being Joel Embiid and Dario Saric they just would’ve traded those picks for spare change.

The 76ers just don’t want to try to win right now so they are bringing in as many young guys as they can who aren’t necessarily NBA ready so they can hopefully develop along with some of the younger prospects they like such as MCW, Nerlens Noel, and Tony Wroten. The 76ers look to have at least scored one guy who didn’t come into the league NBA ready in Henry Sims. It seems Sims can at least be a solid rotational player in the NBA.

  I also imagine all three of the 76ers second round draft picks this year KJ McDaniels, Jerami Grant, and Jordan McRae will make the opening day roster. McDaniels, Grant, and McRae will likely get a lot of opportunities to prove themselves considering the 76ers don’t have clear cut starters at the 2 and the 3 if Wroten stays as 6th man and the 76ers don’t decide to bench or limit Jason Richardson’s minutes.

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