[Bryant24Participant]

In yall opinion who is the most overrated player in teh nba?
Who is the most overrated rookie?
Whose is yall most overrated player at each position?

[TRC1991Participant]

This is a difficult question, but i’ve always thought LaMarcus Aldridge is the most overrated player…i think Brook Lopez gets a lot more offensive looks because hes on the NETS…i think hed be more like a 15 and 7 type center on a normal team

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Joe Johnson is 1 of the most overrated players in the league..He’s a star but not someone you can build a team around..

I think Wesley Johnson is the most overrated rookie..

Overrated Team..I’ll go with the starters….

Center….Kendrick Perkins

Power Forward..J.J. Hickson..

Small Forward…Thad Young..Everyone says he’s on the verge of superstardom..A budding superstar is someone like Darren Collison..Who has been doing the same thing nite after nite..Young hasn’t been consistent at all..

Shooting Guard…Anthony Parker

Point Guard…Mo Williams..

[Bryant24Participant]

paul pierce he was great player but know he is just a great actor if you barley touch this guy he go flying I dont know how he beat people off the dribble with his snail crossover but he has had a hall of fame career and has a nba ring

Derrick Favors is most overrated rookie to me he has potential but to many guys get drafted ecaue of that word he can block and he’s a great athlete for big man has no low post offense but he could prove me wrong in the future.

Center: this position is a dying breed so much i cant think of one im have to day Dwight he is a top 10 player but no way he should be averagin 18ppg especially since the center position is the weakest in the nba but he still young and hasnt peak yet.

Power Forward: Antwan Jamison he scores but he he’s a high volume shooter who wouldnt be a 1st or 2nd opition on an
legitimate title contender.

Small Forward: Luol Deng one great playoff series (in ‘07), and Deng hasn’t been nearly as good since.

Shooting Guard: kobe bryant SIKE i say i agree with rudeboy1000 he is not a starter in the nba

Point Guard: Mike Bibby Still living off his reputation from the ‘02 playoffs. Think about it: every Hawks game you’ll hear about how clutch Bibby is, but how many big-time shots have you seen him hit in the last five years?

[sheltwon3Participant]

Wow some of you guys are picking so quality players. Don’t choose a guy to be over rated based on his contract.

Jamison is over rated I agree.

Favors if you actually watched games is not over rated, he has legit post moves and have nice size and athleticism but summer league is more about guard play so he did not get as many touches.

Luol Deng is pretty solid but he dealt with injuries for a while but next year he should be a solid player with decent skills and nice size. He has never been an All Star and is not overhyped so how is he over rated.

Lopez and Noah were over rated with the Lebron sweepstakes but they are both solid big men with unique skills when there is not many quality big men. I was also someone who same that Robin Lopez would have a better carreer than Brook and people laughed at me and unless something changes, it is looking more and more like I will be right.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Perkins is not over rated because no one talks much about him except his defense which is very good and his contract is not that much for a big man.

Anthony Parker has never been hyped up enough to be over rated and Mo Williams is good but he is not an All Star just yet and he was not a good fit for Mike Brown’s system.

Bibby was over rated last year then ATL came to their senses.

Hickson is under rated.

Wesley Johnson looks like a legit small forward but Minny took him earlier than I would have thought he would get drafted but he is very athletic and can shoot the 3 and has good length for defense. He should be a solid 3 man at least.

Some of these guys are not hype up enough to be over rated

I can understand Joe Johnson being over rated because this guy is a better than good player that got max money.

Iguadala is over rated to me.

Baron Davis is over rated to me.

Rashard Lewis and his contract is over rated to me lol

[Bryant24Participant]

Yeah i agree Rashrad lewis is overrated but I think jamison is more overrated to me Baron Davis use to be oe of my favorite players but he just hasnt been the same in a long time I hate to say but Iguodala aint get no younger he’s 26 and he is kind of overrated Iguodala is Exciting? Yes. Has potential? Yes. A legit star? Not yet

[SteroidParticipant]

OJ Mayo is overrated to me. I’ve seen people compare him to Kobe. Get real..

Joe Johnson is getting overpaid, but I don’t think he is overrated. The front office had no choice but to pay Joe all that money if they wanted to have a shot at doing something in the playoffs. They would have became a lotto team without Joe. He is an All-Star caliber player. Nothing more..

[Bryant24Participant]

yeah joe johnson is far from overrated maybe overpaid but i agree steroid if he isnt on the hawks they are a lotto team missing the playoffs they had to overpay him to keep him or else he was gone i dont get why everybody call him overrated maybe because he is a quiet person he dont have a ego and he’s to himsself

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

O.J mayo is so underrated he is the guy everyone forgets from that draft with Rose and westbrook

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I think Wesley Johnson is the most overrated rookie. He’s old (23), skinny (doesn’t look like he can put on much more weight either) and can’t create his own offense off of the dribble.

All-Overrated Team

Dwight Howard – His good qualities are obvious, but you can’t run an offense through him consistenly. It’s been six years and he still has no consistent post moves. He also lacks seriousness and allows players to get under his skin. He doesn’t stack up against the past great centers like Ewing, Olajuwon, Robinson or O’Neal.

KG – He used to be one of my favorite players with the T-Wolves, but I’ve always thought he was somewhat overrated. He never controlled the paint defensively like a Tim Duncan. Instead, he used to play the top of the 3-2 zone and pick on little guards. He was never the same player in the last five minutes as he was in the first five… He’ll go into the HOF, but I think he could’ve been the best power forward of all time. He had the total package, but lacked that something that the great players have.

LeBron James – He’s been nicknamed the “Chosen One” since high school. He was supposed to take MJ’s throne… Wore #23 and stole MJ’s powder routine. He’s NOTHING like MJ. Like KG, he seems to lack that certain something that the great players have. He’ll go into the HOF and have crazy career stats when it’s all said and done, but he won’t be considered the best ever like he could’ve been.

Tracy McGrady – He used to be one of my favorite players, but I think he’s overrated. Super talented, athletic and produced great highlights and stats, BUT… He’s not a winner. He’s never won anything… He’s never been out of the first round and has struggled with injuries throughout his career. Back, shoulder or knee… At one point I thought he was better than Kobe. I think McGrady and Vince Carter are overrated.

Gilbert Arenas – He’s talented and puts up great stats, but he’s never possessed the leadership or maturity to be the leader of a team and face of a franchise.

[dwat4444Participant]

MOP-Amare Stoudemire, I just think without nash at his side half his points would be gone; however, he’ll still have a good year becuz he’s on a terrible team IMO
MOR-The whole draft. I don’t see any of these players making more than 1 or 2 all star games in their career, very week draft

[stanford hoops]

Rookie I say favors. No post moves and is wayy raw on offense which is why Avery said they are looking for a pf to start because favors isn’t ready. People always give him excuses(he didn’t have good guards in college, guards in summer leauge. Etc). Cousins plays in summer leauge as well, same withcaracyer and mcgee. Good big with moves will get the ball reguardless if it’s summer leauge or YMCA

overrated player-bosh. Untill he proves he can still be a star on a good team. We will find out soon

[JNixonParticipant]

Derrick Favors is EASILY the most overrated rookie.

The most overrated NBA player is Brandon Roy IMO….That guy is not a superstar player. He’s not a true franchise player either.

All-Overrated team:

PG- Devin Harris

SG- Brandon Roy

SF- Hedo Turkoglu?

PF- Rashard Lewis

C- Greg Oden (even when healthy)

[FDAPO]

Players – Kevin Martin, Anderson Varajao, Mo Williams, Hedo (will do better this season though) and Ron Artest

Rookies – Hayward and Udoh

[PlatypusParticipant]

Paker is a very solid point guard. He is excellent at getting to the rim and finishing in a variety of different ways, his floater being an example. He is a 18-19 point scorer and is very efficient. He shoots a high field goal percentage and averages a low turnover total. He isn’t a great point guard even though many people say he is because he has won three rings.

He is not close to the level or Deron Williams or Chris Paul and will never be. He can score as well as them, but he isn’t close to the passer and leader that they are. He also wouldn’t be that good if it weren’t for Tim Duncan’s greatness in the middle. He is a good point guard, but he should never be considered one of the three or four best point guards in the league

[llperez]

sheltwon, you called robin would be better then brook and people laughed at you and now its looking like you will be right? lol, no its not even close to looking like you will be right.

[sheltwon3Participant]

lilperez based on what info. Robin has been deep in the playoffs and has put up big numbers and now with Amare gone who do you think will be getting most of the lobs and passes inside. It will not be Hedo. Robin is more athletic and is better defensively. He will get easier shots and his offensive game should improve at a quicker rate than Brook because he is having to play in a lot more Meaningful games.

lilperez I do hope you are doing your homework and not just speaking hype.

I think people forget how Robin was putting up Brook’s numbers the year after Brook had that big year and had to sit out. Robin is not that far behind Brook Offensively and if you look at his playoff numbers and last year numbers when given minutes, he is averaging close to Brook, stats. Next year if he can get 30 min or so, He could average a double double of 16 points 11 boards and a block and a half on greater than 50 percent shooting.

[JNixonParticipant]

LOL. Now you know Brook Lopez is better than Robin Lopez. Just admit you shouldn’t have said it. No need to try and make a long drawn out reason as to why Robin Lopez is better, when its obvious who’s better.

[sammybuckeye13Participant]

Most overrated player: Chris Bosh
In the words of our God, Bill Simmons: “If one more person refers to Bosh as a “superstar,” I’m going to scream. His résumé: seven seasons, 11 career playoff games, one second-team All-NBA selection, never played in a big game in his life other than the gold-medal game of the 2008 Olympics. Now he’s fleeing frigid Toronto for South Beach, no state income tax, Dwyane Wade, max money and the playoffs … and this makes him a “superstar”? Did we really drop our standards that low?

Most overrated rookie: Derrick Favors
I could see why SOME scouts said he COULD have the most potential of anyone in this class, but after seeing how mightily he struggled in the summer league, and how DeMarcus Cousins is making minced meat out of everyone, I think Favors is the most overrated. I know it’s soon, but the Nets could have had a low-post combo of Cousins and Brook Lopez, which would have immediately rivaled Gasol/Bynum. Favors has no go-to moves, hasn’t yet proven that he can exercise his athletic abilities to the fullest and occasionally loses focus.

Most overrated player at each position:

PG – Rajon Rondo
His numbers would look a LOT different if he didn’t have the OG Big 3 to pass to and if defenses were able to focus on him more. You’re in the NBA, you should be able to hit an open 12-footer once in a while.
SG – Monta Ellis
Dominates the ball like none other, just swipes at the ball on D, doesn’t fit into any conceivable team dynamic, very injury-prone.
SF – Danilo Gallinari
Does nothing but chuck threes at this point.
PF – Zach Randolph
I don’t care if he puts up numbers. I have never seen a professional athlete care less about playing defense.
C – Nene
Year after year he threatens to become a star and inevitably disappoints.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Iggy, how is Favors overrated? He showed some nice moves in the post when given the chance. He is very athletic and had a good wingspan. he is young and is 6’10” and could possibly grow another inch and with his size and length, he could play Center. Very few 18 year old have a NBA body already and he does. He showed a nice 15 foot jumper. This is something Dwight Howard either does not have or does not use at all.

He should not have gone before Cousins but that is not his fault. If anything Hayward is the most overrated player because no way he deserved to be picked 9 in this draft. Big men tend to get high if they are long and athletic but swingmen with average athleticism and no one great skill don’t except for the few busts that have been taken.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Iggy based on what are you saying this. I know Brook is better. Brook is better offensively but not by much. Robin as everyone knows or should know is better defensively and he is more athetic. These are key things for NBA bigs. Robin’s offensive game has gotten better and with his defense and playing with a point guard that can utilize this, he is the better player overall.

You can’t focus on one attribute and be like a player is better.

Brook is not a better shot blocker than Robin

He is not a better rebounder than Robin.

All he does is have a better offensive game and in the NBA Robin’s athleticism helps him make up for any short comings he has offensively compared to his brother.

Iggy you know I respect your skills but you sounding like a rookie scout right now and I am perplexed.

[sheltwon3Participant]

People are saying Favors is overrated based on summer league. Wow, Summer league is not geared toward making big men look good. Big men need their guards to get them the ball and if they don’t get the ball, they can not produce as much. I can assure you that Favors will average more in actual games then in the summer league.

[stanford hoops]

im sorry but cousins/lopez would not immediately rivals gasol/bynum.. not even close. gasol is one of if not the best pf in the nba cousins has been playing well in the SUMMER LEAUGE. how you figure that would rivals the laker duo immediately?. what do you think bynum and gasol would do in the summer leauge?..25-30ppg and 15-20reb

as far as robin being better or even almost as good as brook thats just funny. robin hustles but he doesnt have the game brook has. hes more comparable to noah with his hustle and height. what does being deep in the playoffs mean if youre not one of the ones leading the team?..jared dudly went deep in the playoffs too.

you say he had big games in the playoffs shelton but what about as a whole?

when has robin put up big numbers for a long period of time? on brooks bad day he’s equal to robin on a good day

[JNixonParticipant]

I’ve been watching Favors since HS, and I watched and attended Georgia Tech games this past season, in addition to seeing him play against SL competition a week or 2 ago. Here’s what I see:

Derrick Favors can’t score unless he’s set up at the rim. Moves down low aren’t all that great and only come in sporadic flashes. His mid-range game is very raw, teams give him jump shots and he’ll only make 1 or (if lucky) 2 a game, so it’s not like its a real threat or weapon in his arsenal. He’s athletic and nice physically, but he’s not aggressive or assertive enough to show all of his tools. And he’s no Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire, Antonio McDyess type to me. He’s more like Chris Wilcox or even Stromile Swift.

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

How is Brandon Roy overrated Kobe himself said that he and and Roy had the most complete game without any major holes in it he is a underrated superstart and a franchise player and lead his team to the playoffs when everyone on the Blazers was injured and played on a freshly sugically repaired knee and he was drafted 6th and has been the best player in his class and averaged 20 pts per game

[JNixonParticipant]

I’m not even gonna talk about Robin and Brook Lopez and try to compare them….It’s easy to tell who’s better. No need to even waste time on that. It’s honestly not close.

[stanford hoops]

ive been saying favors is overrated for a year now. every single scout,gm uses the word potential with him. not one person says hes gonna contribute much this year. his own coach says he wont do much this year and isnt likely to do much or start till next year. so i guess he isnt overrated except for some people on here who thinks hes gonna step right in and be a factor even though his own coach says other wise. and its not about if big mendo much in summer leauge its obvious just watching him that he has a ways togo. the concensus is hes raw on offense and gets by off his height,athletic ability right now. hes not aggressive and has very lil post moves. these are facts not opinions. liek i said before everything with this kid is potential and what he might be in the future because right now he’s not ready to be a factor

[JNixonParticipant]

I thought Favors was gonna be on to something leading up to college. He went from an athletic freak with no moves as a HS Junior, to an athletic freak with a developing face-up game and a drop step and turnaround jumper down low as a HS Senior. He looked unstoppable at a scrimmage I went to before the season at Tech, but in actual games he plays tentative and doesn’t play as aggressive as he should. If you don’t play aggressive and you have his physical and athletic ability, I question if you’ll be willing to work on your skill set.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Iggy and you know what sometimes when you are caught up on a player you say you know you don’t look at what their game can be in the NBA. Most big man need to be set up early on. You can say that about Okafor, Howard, Shaq(in his early days). Dude is still 18. Howard relied on his athleticism and defense his first year. Okafor is still mainly about defense and Favors could average more than him in his second year.

Also Stanford hoops since obviously you most watch them in college

Who is more athletic?

Who is the better rebounder?

Who is the better defensive player?

Who is on the better team?

I believe Robin Lopez can average better than Brook if he played on Jersey and got all those minutes

Brook is still more skilled(key word) offensively than Robin but that does not make him the better player
Robin can do more stuff and he can still his points comparable to Brook and he is not that far behind Brook offensively.

[stanford hoops]

big men in summer leauge
demarcus cousins-17ppg 11reb
derrick caracter15ppg 8reb
greg monroes-14ppg 8reb
Luke Harangody-16-6

derrick favors-10ppg 6reb

its obviously not too hard for those big men to produce more so im not buying the “summer leauge isnt for big men”

hell j.j hickson and Javel Mcgee are killing

[sheltwon3Participant]

Iggy we all have our opinions and I will tell you this season, we will all find out whose opinions were right.

Same goes to Stanford.

I don’t understand what your criteria for a player being better are

You can just look at scoring and say someone is better.

That is ridiculous to me.

[stanford hoops]

robin is more athletic and on a better team. brook is more skilled which is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more important then being more athletic. im willing to bet if the nets offered brook for robin phx would jump on it in a heart beat. the whole in youre arguement is that youre just guessing but the proof is brook is wayyyyyy better. thats not a opinion thats a fact. sorry.

like iggy said it really isnt much of a arguement

[sheltwon3Participant]

McGee is a 3rd year player and he got a lot of lobs from John Wall. How may lobs did Favors get.

Hickson is a 3rd year player and he was getting a lot of passes his way.

Cousins is a beast and could have averaged more and will probably if Kings give him enough minutes because he will get better looks after Tyreke passes him the ball.

Favors is still raw but so way Howard coming and look at him now.

Greg Monroe did not have good game until at the end.

Luke Harangody is a hustle player who has a mean jumper and he was very aggressive something Favors was not and Favors does not appear to be able to shoot like Luke can.

After the coming season, we will definitely see who is right.

I can’t wait.

I enjoy it more than i should but proving people wrong in basketball is something I love doing because you guys talk to me like I don’t have a clue and I have been right most of the time.

[sheltwon3Participant]

stanford, that is an opinion.

Brook is better offensively since when does that make him a better player and he is not that much better offensively than Robin.

Robin is the better rebounder and defender.

I value that more than scoring because even if Robin is 65 % what Brook is offensively because of everything else he is still better.

I am done arguing, we will see this coming season and the facts will show clearly who is right.

[stanford hoops]

why you keep mentioning favors with howard?..you know the difference?..howard was wayyyyyy more agressive. and you didnt hear orlandos coach saying howard wont contribute much till next year…being aggressive and being passive is a very big difference

you say monroe didnt have a good game till the end ..ummmm what did favors do before his last game?..he was said to be the most dissapointing of all the players there before the last game

[sheltwon3Participant]

You have yet to say how Brook is so much better.
I have told you I know Brook is more skilled offensively but as an NBA player that is only one thing

There are tons of guys who are more skilled offensively than guys who are starting in the NBA and they are in Europe.

[pattymills]

How is Robin a better rebounder? he averaged 4 rebounds in a system that allows his rebounds to go way up (look at David Lee)

hes not a better rebounder.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Stanford you are just trying to make silly arguments because I mention Okafor and others as well as Howard. Also wow an 18 year old playing passive. We can’t correct that lol.

[JNixonParticipant]

THANK YOU pattymills! Robin Lopez isn’t a better rebounder, shot-blocker or anything. I don’t get where he’s saying he’s a better rebounder or shot-blocker from. It’s not close in either stat to make it worse. Fact is, Robin Lopez isn’t better than Brook Lopez. Come on man.

[stanford hoops]

before monroes last game he had 20-6
favors-6-6

subtract both players last game

FAVORS-7.5ppg 4.6reb

MONROE 11.2PPG 5.2

and someone with favors jumping ability should be blocking alot of shots right?

he had 3 blks the WHOLE summer leauge
monroe isnt known as a shot blocker and he had 2

how is robin a better rebounder?..he averages half of what brook does?..lol..i guess jason richardson is a better scorer then durant too huh

[pattymills]

And lol your blaming his guards, but now your changing his excuse for sucking as being passive?

Well Dwight Howard his first year in the league averaged a double double, and he was younger, your comparison sucks, they have similar builds but a lot of players who suck, are built like a super star.

suck it.

[billykParticipant]

Brook Lopez in gonna be a 20 pt 10 reb player next year..

[stanford hoops]

okafor was more agressive and more advanced on offense as well. umm how many 18 year olds have been passive in college then in then got to the nba and all of a sudden became aggressive?

amare-aggressive
howard-agressive
josh smith-agressive
favors-not agressive

can you please stop comparing favors to these agressive guys

and how is robin a better rebounder or shot blocker?..you just making that up or is there actual proof?

[llperez]

if new jersey offerd brook for robin striaght up, the suns would nut their pants.

[stanford hoops]

Robin is just as modest as his brother, so much that he doesn’t admit to feeling envious about the different trajectories of their career arcs. Everyone considers Brook a top-five center in the NBA. Everyone considers Robin a mucker from the Anderson Varejao-Joakim Noah mold, a really valuable role player, but hardly someone who is going to be a first option anytime soon.

Brook is on the verge of being a 20-and-10 man, Robin, in only 12 minutes a game, averages five points and three rebounds

And that’s fine with him.

“He’s got that kind of skill set,” Robin said of Brook. “He’s more offensive-oriented. At this point of our careers, he’s better at creating his own shot, so the Nets are able to go to him like that.

“There were people who have said his game wouldn’t adapt to the NBA game really well, but they hadn’t seen him play.”

[PlatypusParticipant]

Favors is more of an Al Horford

[stanford hoops]

kg out of hs-agressive
kobe-aggressive

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