[Michael.S.Participant]

tell me what you think but heres a few of mine

griffin-15.5pts 9rebs 1blk
rubio-9pts 6.5asts 4rbs 2stl
derozan-11pts 5rebs 3asts
jennings-13pts 5asts 2stl
thabeet-8pts 7rebs 2.5blk
harden-14pts 5rebs 4asts
curry-10pts 2rebs 2asts
hill-10ppg 6rebs

[HaleParticipant]

No way Rubio puts up those numbers, he is going to suck this year and work his way up.

[flexosexoParticipant]

wrong.

Rubio already put up efficient numbers in Europe…on some Jason Kidd shit.

He’s been a pro since 15, so the NBA won’t be that big of a surprise to him, only thing he has to get use is the speed and flow of the NBA.

Defense in the NBA has gotten soft, and Rubio will definitely exploit it.

I don’t see a lot of guys from this draft producing as well as 2008 class.

Griffin – 15ppg, 9 rebounds 1 blk 52% FG
Rubio – 10 ppg, 6.9 assist, 1.8 stl
Harden – 13 ppg, 3 rebs, 3 assist
Thabeet – 7 ppg, 7 reb, 2 blk
Curry – 14 ppg 5 assist
Jennings – 9 ppg 5 assist
Holiday – 8 ppg 4 assist 1.5 stl
Hill – 9 ppg 5 rebs
Clark – 9 ppg 4. 5 rebs 3 assist 1 stl 1 blk
Flynn – 11 ppg 4 assist
Blair – 8 ppg 8 rebs
Budinger – 9 ppg 3 rebs 3 assist

[Michael.S.Participant]

rubio most probably will be a starter,there will be a transition,but i think those #s a realistic for rubio.if not tell me what u think theyll be

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Not bad. Just depends where they end up.

[Michael.S.Participant]

have to take that into cosideration

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Indeed, we will be able to get a more accurate gauge of production when we see where they are all playing. Right now with this draft, the only sure thing seems to be Griffin going to LA, and call me crazy, but I do not see that being a great situation for him. Sure they have a solid squad on paper, especially if Baron is healthy, but that is honestly a huge if. While I am sure they will trade Z-Bo and if not they will trade Kaman or maybe even Camby, but even than their is a log jam at big. I think Blake has the potential to be the best player in this draft, but with him going to the Clippers, it might not look that way at the start. I think 15 and 9 are fairly lofty goals for him in his first year, and if he attains this or surpasses it I will be impressed. I am thinking maybe a couple points and rebounds less, and probably around 26-28 minutes per game. If he went to a squad that was better suited for him to play with, maybe a place where he was seen as the missing piece rather than just another cog in a decent front line, than I think his production would be much greater. I thought Memphis would have been a good situation, as they desperately needed a 4 and he would be on a young team with room for error. I think him being put onto a team like the Clippers that is full of veterans will just add pressure and put a dent in his playing time.

What might be interesting is maybe making a mock and than putting up the numbers a player might average. Why not start:

1. Blake Griffin, LA Clippers 13 points and 8 boards, maybe around 1 bpg
2. Hasheem Thabeet Memphis (Which I think is a poor fit honestly) 20 mpg 5 ppg, 6 rpg, 1.2 bpg
3. James Harden OKC (Good fit, though I still have doubts they pick him here) 32 mpg 15 ppg, 5 rpg, 3 apg
4. Ricky Rubio Sacramento (I think he would at least get a chance to play a lot, eventually) 24 mpg 7 ppg, 4.5 apg, 2.5 rpg, 1 spg
5. Jordan Hill Washington (Decent place for him, though I think they are passing up better players) 26 mpg 10 ppg, 6 rpg
6. Tyreke Evans Minnesota (Would finally be building some identity) 30 mpg 13 ppg, 4 apg, 4 rpg
7. Brandon Jennings Golden State (I personally am a big fan of him, he is my favorite prospect in the draft with to me second highest ceiling to Blake Griffin) 36 mpg 14 ppg 6 apg, 3.5 rpg, 1.2 spg
8. Stephen Curry New York (Can’t help but feel who ever they draft is landing in a players dream position as they will be supplanted into D’Antoni’s system) 34 mpg 16 ppg, 3.5 apg, 3 rpg
9. DeMar Derozan Toronto (Good situation as they are desperate need of help on the wing, though I question how ready he is to contribute) 25 mpg 9 ppg, 3 rpg, 1.5 apg

Honestly, that is all I willing to go up to, and looking at these numbers, I feel I have been kind of generous. I think you did a pretty good job Mikenike of giving these guys something to shoot for their rookie years, and hopefully these guys will land in good situations for them. After they are all drafted, it will be interesting to see which ones will have those numbers to shoot for, and also interesting to make a list of who the top players in the draft will be in accordance to the situation in which they have landed.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Not bad but you have Jennings having way too many mpg. Nellie wont give him 36. Therefore stats wont be so high. Same goes for Curry who has no true position. He will struggle playing against PGs and SGs alike. He will be too much of a liability to leave on the floor for 34 mpg. Harden numbers may be a little high.

[Lodzio20Participant]

Blake Griffin- 17 ppg, 9 rpg, 1 bpg, 1 spg
Ricky Rubio- 7 ppg, 4.5 apg, 1.8 rpg, 1 spg
Jordan Hill- 13 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 1.4 bpg
Demar DeRozan- 10 ppg, 4 rpg, 2 apg
Stephen Curry- 16 ppg, 3 rpg, 3.5 apg
TyrekeEvans- 13 ppg, 4 rpg, 3.5 apg
James Harden- 15 ppg, 4 rpg, 4 apg
Hasheem Thabeet- 7 ppg, 6 rpg, 2.5 bpg
Jonny Flynn- 12 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 5 apg
DeJuan Blair- 8 ppg, 7 rpg
James Johnson- 10 ppg, 5 rpg, 2.5 apg
Earl Clark- 9 ppg, 5 rpg, 2.5 apg

[deshawynkeys91Participant]

wow… lets not forget this players are going to be rookies next year! no way j. hill is avg any where near 10-14 ppg maybe 4/5 rebs… and more importantly it is all about the team u land with and being realistic the players who end up with: sac., mem.(pf), minn.(sf/pg), and n.y will have a chance at big statistics next season

[mb6297]

I 100% agree with mikeyvthedon. It is all about the situation and fit.

I expect Griffin to have a solid year because he will be an automatic starter. If Rubio goes to Sacramento, he will also be a starter. It’s tough to forecast other guys w/o knowing the teams that will select them.

[mb6297]

flexosexo,

The defense in the NBA has gotten softer since the 90s, but it’s certainly not as soft as in the European game.

Rubio will have to adjust dramatically to the physical-ness of the NBA game.

BTW, Rubio’s stats were good in the local league (10 pts, 2pt% 37%, FT 80%, Asts 6) but they were very poor in the superior Euroleague (2.4 pts, 2pt% 29%, FT 62%, Asts 2.8). The speed and caliber of players in the NBA obviously much better resembles the play in the Euroleague.

[flexosexoParticipant]

I believe its not that dramatic, you have your fair share of soft players in the NBA and as well in Europe. In Europe, you get away with more fouls and the refs let the players play. NBA its the opposite.

Why can’t Rubio benefit from that?
He can.

You’re acting like he’s limited and physically cannot handle players bigger and faster than him.

He’s been doing it since he was 14.
Playing with men for almost half a decade.

Therefor, Rubio obviously has experience with these “dramatic” changes…and responses really well.

Judging Rubio’s stats from 5 games in 13 minutes especially when he wasn’t 100% was the lamest thing anyone can do in downplaying Rubio’s limitations. A complete fail for you.

If speed matter so much…guys like Telfair and Barbosa would be over guys like Billups and Bryant.

I rather have a player with established skills over established physical abilities.

In the game, the skills matter the most; both mental and physical.

and every team is not the SAME…everyone has their fair mix of skilled or physically gifted players.

In terms of a guy like Rubio, his skills are so advanced his physical “limitations” don’t really affect what he’s able to do on the court.

Rubio had 6 points 6 rebounds 3 steals and 3 assist in the gold model game against USA and played the most minutes…in his first 8 points 3 rebounds 3 steals in 18 minutes.
Of course FIBA is different rules and a different game, but.

The physically won’t stop Rubio from producing.

Will it slow him down in his first season?
Yes, of course.

Everyone has to learn and grow.

But there hasn’t been a prospect with such a resume like Rubio since Carmelo Anthony who won the championship in his first season at Cuse’.

Ricky is the for sure thing.
No question.

Thanks for the negative rep point, keep them going.

[flexosexoParticipant]

mikev, you need to understand any PG that plays 30+ minutes in D’Antonis system will automatically rank up 7 assist per game. Even Nate Robinson’s assist numbers went up. Curry could average around 6-7…rather than 3. D’Antoni won’t allow overdribbling in his system, the ball is always moving.

[Scott42444Participant]

I agree. If Curry goes to NY, he will put up ridiculous numbers. I actually think more PPG than the 10ppg estimated here. I think that he could be 14ppg or more. If Stephen Curry goes to the NY Knicks, I think that he could be Rookie of the Year.

So, like many people said, where someone ends up will decide their stats. Look at Michael Beasley last year. I think that the Heat and Eric Spoelsta (or however you spell it) were smart and made him earn his minutes (well, until Marion was shipped out anyway) with some improved defense. It helped them fight their way back into the playoffs with some of the best defense in the league. But, what if the Grizzlies had Beasley instead of Mayo? I think that he could have averaged 20 and 8, taking a lot of the shots that Mayo took. I think that Rose is in a similar boat. Do you think that he would have put up the same kind of numbers as a Clipper? Eric Gordon was a perfect fit in LA, with their current team, because when Gordon is open he can just stop and pop. Curry in NY? With the seven seconds and shoot, that dude could just rack up some silly numbers. I don’t know what to think of Curry. He might just be one of those guys who has that otherworldly high basketball IQ and could score and contribute anywhere.

[mb6297]

I also agree that Curry can put some serious numbers on the Knicks, especially because he is a scorer.

In all honesty, any NBA ready rookie can do some damage on the Knicks. Curry will be special though. I really hope he doesn’t turn out to be the next JJ Redick (used to score 30+ frequently). His quickness and athleticism should help. He was also a one man show at Davidson.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

curry will not start for the knicks this year. people need to take that into account when giving him such rediculous numbers. he will get maybe 20 to 25 mpg. he will be smothered by the bigger, faster, stronger defenders. thats if he goes to the knicks. even less mpg if he goes to the warriors. he should pray to go to the blazers so roy can handle some point and he can play off the ball.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Flexosexo (yes that is what he chooses to go by), what I should have stated is that I see Curry as being more of a 2 in a D’Anoni system. He might average maybe 4-5 assists, but I do not see him running the show and putting up 8-9 like Duhon did last year. He may indeed play PG down the line, and yes he will of course be a defensive liability, but when has that stopped Mike D’Antoni before? I think Stephen could be a fun guy to watch and think he could be a fun player, but I see him as being more of a shooter than a creator, hence the assists being lower than one might expect if they have Curry being the Knicks starting PG next year. I think anyone the Knicks draft will most likely at least get minutes and quite a role on the team, and the best scoring option would be Curry, but I think that if D’Antoni wants a 1 to run his system, Jennings might be the guy if he indeed does slip like people suddenly seem to be indicating (I still do not believe he goes past Golden State). Again, if Curry is gone, the Knicks may go with a Flynn or even a combo guy like Jrue Holliday, and both would get a fair shake in a D’Antoni system, but would not be the ideal personnel. Honestly, I believe that if Jennings had his chance to do the athletic testing at the combine, his numbers would have most likely surpassed almost every point guard this year, especially in the speed portion. But, in conclusion, Duhon will most likely run point and Stephen will run 2 and the Knicks will give up 110 a game like they usually do.

[Mr. BasketballParticipant]

griffin: 15 and 11.
harden: 15, 4 rb, 3 ast

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