[Arc12345Participant]

The Nets have traded Crabbe and the 17th pick to the Hawks for Taurean Prince and a 2021 second round pick.

I think this move makes sense for both teams. If Brooklyn lands Kyrie like it appears they will, they go into win now mode (they’ve already been in that really). And if they’re lucky…they just might hit the jackpot and get Durant as well.

For my Hawks, I think it makes sense to get another late first round pick to grab a prospect that you like. Or perhaps package these picks to move up even higher if that’s their goal. This now gives us 8th, 10th, and 17th, 35th, 41st, and 42nd. Got to believe there’s some way we can package 35, 41st, 42nd and maybe a player to land another first round pick or future 1st round pick.

Again – prospects that I’d love to see the Hawks realistically draft: Reddish, White, Fernando, Hachimura, Bol, Herro, Windler, Edwards, Williams, Reid, Kevin Porter, Langford (not necessarily in that order).

What do you guys think?

[The GoatParticipant]

Its a good move for both potentially.

I don’t know who the Nets are going to sign with the two slots. If it’s Kyrie and D’Angelo then I don’t agree they are the best fit. I’d have to imagine a realistic scenario is D’Angelo and Tobias Harris, who fit together well with Levert, Dinwiddie and Allen. If it’s Kyrie and KD they get, theyll be a 50 win team at minimum.

The Hawks can either package the picks or keep stockpiling first round talent on rookie deals. This eventually will bite hard when they all come off their deals at about the same time though – Young, Bembry, Collins, Huerter, 8, 10, 17. Could they make a big deal, like keep Trae, package the rest plus Crabbe for AD? Good deal with the Nets anyway, they have options.

[Arc12345Participant]

AD is not coming to Atlanta. He wants to win. Atlanta is in no hurry to do that – yet.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Hawks are at a crucial point of their rebuild. Decisions will decide their fate this summer.

[festar35Participant]

Really love it for both teams.

Atlanta – They get another first round pick & thus allowing them to continue to build the team they want. They could trade up or given how up & down this draft could be they can take a little risk. They add salary and well, which they kind of had to do.

 

Brooklyn – Well they clear a large contract off the books & really allows them to swing hard in free agency. Taurean Prince is a really nice fit for them, a younger Demarre Carroll who could fit nicely with them long-term. Nets appear all in on Irving so a defensive SF like Prince is ideal.

[chrsw003Participant]

 As a Hawks fan I can tell you he is not a defensive small forward. More a no defense small forward. That being said love trade for Hawks and also another first round pick lottery protected next year likely to convey. Better shooter then Carrol though.

[festar35Participant]

Anyone think that Brooklyn may let Russell walk to get a guy like KD or even Tobias Harris/Khris Middleton to put next to Kyrie given they have Levert & Dinwiddie as guards who are both excellent at what they do?

 

In order to get 2 max spots, they need to renounce D’Angelo Russell.

[MopgrassParticipant]

If they got KD, you let Russell walk. I don’t think Harris or a Middleton are necessarily better than Russell. Middleton probably is. But do you renounce rights to someone who knows your guys and system for the slightest upgrade in talent level? 

[Striver347Participant]

 I read on Woj’s Twitter that this trade allows them to afford two max cap slots AND D’Angelo Russell’s contract. If the Nets get KD and Kyrie, they easily catapult to top 3 team in the East. EASILY. Caris LeVert was the Nets best player last season, and he, Dinwiddie, and Harris will all come off the best. Allen is growing and improving and Taurean Prince has some promise. So excited to see the Nets.

 

Their growth highlights and explodes the incompetence the Knicks management has.

[festar35Participant]

They have $46mil in cap space as it stands, that is only for 1 max player & Russell. If they decide not to bring back Russell then that is when they have room for a 2nd max player. 

WOJ stated they can have a max & retain Russell or go for 2 max slots. The end of the tweet says, "Withiut Russell they have 2 max salary slots."

 

Love Russell, but I let him go & swing for Kyrie/KD pairing especially given they have 2 other really good guards in Levert & Dinwiddie who can step into Russell’s role quite comfortably. (I am really high on Levert as a player)

C. Allen/Allen

PF. KD/Free agent(Mirotic/Randle)

SF. Prince/Prince

SG. Levert/Russell

PG. Irving/Irving

6th man: Dinwiddie 

 

I guess the way to look at it is, would you rather have Levert & KD or Russell & a lesser free agent like Mirotic or Randle?

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

But the pictures were made?

Does this really mean that by mid-July Knicks fans will be cheering for RJ Barrett, Allonzo Trier, and the NYPD’s investigation into Porzingis?

[juves4783Participant]

i love this trade for both teams.  hawks have more assets to move up if they feel like or just to continue to build how they want, around young and collins.

the nets scored big time.  they had 2-1sts and 1-high 2nd so moving a first to get rid of crabbe’s deal makes sense.  prince is also a way better player than crabbe on both ends.  they freed up some money to re-sign russell and bring in more help to play alongside.  brooklyn’s GM should get some kudos for turning this team around.

[KIP BallerParticipant]

I like the trade for both teams. The Hawks have to make some trades because there is no way they can keep that many prospects. If they keep all 3 firsts they could easily end up with a trio of guys like: Reddish (8), Hashimura (10) and Bol (17). That would be an amazing addition to their young core. 

As for the Nets, the East will be up for grabs again next year with Kawhi most likely gone (I hope he stays), Bucks losing at least one piece, and Sixers most likely losing at least one piece. This move set them up to land two top guys, which is what you need in the East and they already have a bunch of really solid role players. 

 

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

 Nets got cap room and a youngish prospect in prince who is familar with Kenny A’s system..Which IMO is an underated part of this deal.

Personally will be interesting to see what they do Signs are pointing to either Kyrie and someone or Russell and probably best availble wing so: Harris,Butler,K.D,Kawhi all in the mix..The only thing is Russell’s weed incident may make them do a thank you next kind of thing…As it points to imatturity still being there with him..Would be kind of Crazy to see Russell with Booker(if Ball doesn’t go there first), Simmons and Russell or Towns and Russell though if they renouce Russells cap hold to chase a K.D though..As they still need to renouce a little bit more due to K.D’s cap hit due to length of career..

Hawks though can now move up or get 1 more prospect they have in their site…Would be funny if they packgaged all their picks+ a future first or 2 for the number 1 pick though…Imagine Hueter,Zion,Trae and Collins core…But I could also see them staying pat and adding multiple young talent…

[Arc12345Participant]

The Hawks can offer all their first round picks, Trae Young, Collins, and whoever else — New Orleans ain’t trading that pick.  

[HobbyOGParticipant]

 LOVE this trade for my Hawks. We don’t get big FA’s so we have to build through the draft. I like what this new GM is doing. I think we have the Cavs FRP and Nets FRP next year as well..

[chrsw003Participant]

 I think Cavs pick is top 10 protected

[celtics1982Participant]

 Prince looked like one of your better young players. The type of guy teams would be more than happy to get at pick #17 in the draft.

So why are Hawks fan so Happy? To add Crabbe and his massive salary for a heavily protected first next year? That isn’t a bad trade for a rebuilding team. Yet unless you hit on 17, this trade might not look to good down the road. I love dreaming on upside, but a bunch of these guys just won’t be very good. I mean I’d be rather happy to get a Prince at 17 in this draft. What am I missing?

I like this trade a lot more for the Nets. Clear space and get a good young player. 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Crabbe is also a guy whose numbers look respectable in the aggregate, but is one of those guys who have a hot hand once a week, or once every other week, and every other game just kills the team.

Prince looked to have some promise on both ends in the final year prior to the start of the rebuild, and started packing on the numbers at the end of 2017-18. The problem for him is that last year he, like everyone else in Atlanta, had zero interest in defending anyone. When they made shots, they could hang around. Every other night, they’d still let in 110+ and often get run out of the gym. His problem is that the two players the Hawks are most invested in, Young and Collins, are brutal defenders. Huerter is also bad, but he was a first round pick rookie. Prince, Bembry, and Bazemore don’t get the benefit of the doubt. They have to be worker bees, and weren’t. Now, I’m still willing to go back a couple years and think Prince can still be that guy in Brooklyn, but I would probably want to see it next year before extending him.

I don’t necessarily think Atlanta is going to keep all four of its top 40 picks, but it is a role player draft. It could make overpaying Dedmon a bit easier to swallow.

 

[Arc12345Participant]

I think it allows them to grab a player at 17 they believe will be really good – clearly they believe better than Prince (or at least fits with their vision better). I also have a feeling they’re going to do their best to move up somehow.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see them move up to 3 for two of their first round picks. I personally think they should keep the first round picks and draft who they believe is best while packaging the second round picks to maybe get another first round pick. Getting all the way to number 1 is out of the question – it will never happen.

They took Crabbe because they need salary. There’s a minimum salary each team has to hit.

I think this is a draft of hidden gems…I’m convinced some of these guys after number 3 will be very good players. Just have to determine which ones. I don’t think this is the 2000 draft.

[celtics1982Participant]

 I’m not going to trade a good young starter trying to find one though, certainly not when I already had 5 picks in the top 42.

Chances a player better than Prince is there at 17? There might be a couple, crazy high-end 4-5 yet that’s out of a group of 25 guys. I like this drafts depth, not overall star power. Like I think the Celtics can get guys similar to Prince at 20 and 22. Which I like, but there’s also the risk they bust. 

Dreaming on Potential, when trading a good young starter is very risky. This really only makes sense to me if they trade up. Yet did they have to do this to do that? Given the big group of players rated the same, you couldn’t trade those second picks for another first?

We will see how it plays out, yet this is very risky. It could also be epic, but the odds are against that. Your trusting a GM who passed on Donic for Young. Not sure I’d have a ton of faith.

[Arc12345Participant]

It’s definitely risky but I’m assuming if they keep the pick that the fit of the potential player they draft was very important to them. I think it’s more likely they trade up though.

Be careful talking badly about Trae Young…people on this site get sensitive…

[ndbigdaveParticipant]

 Without trying to repeat what others have said..

Love it for both teams, Nets feel comfortable giving up the young asset (the pick) to get off of the contract as they feel comfortable getting free agents.

Hawks add another cost controlled piece and it allows them to swing for the fences and continue to build a team that can shoot – while taking multiple bites of the apple if they want (or trying to package to move up assuming someone wants to move down) – it allows them to take the big swings to find a stud that drops (Sekou?), or they lean into this "everyone can shoot" style and pick up guys like Bol Bol, Tyler Herro, Dylan Windler (among others)

[HitsterParticipant]

 The talk about Kyrie going to the Nets seems to be gaining momentum and I cannot see how he and Russell would fit into the same team. If they let Russell walk then it is a big call, is there any way they could do an S and T to get something back for him if this is the case.

Prince is a good young player but the Hawks are getting two first rounders and an expiring contract for him.

Sean Marks has made some good moves as the Nets GM and the team is turning the corner. I just hope he doesn’t mortgage their future like Billy King did.

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