Lakers without Lebron

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Lakers without Lebron

Not looking good lol, losing against the Knicks and I thought they'd lose too.. I know Kuz and Rondo are not playing, but they are looking bad.. I've seen enough of Ingram honestly he's gotta go, he just doesn't fit in. He might grow into something special but not it simply doesn't fit in Lebron's timeline. They gotta keep Kuzma, and I think they should also hold onto Hart or Lonzo, but if Ingram/Lonzo could get you a player like Beal, they should go for it.


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I’m certainly not happy about

I’m certainly not happy about the losses, but no Lebron, kuz or rondo and been in every game down to the wire. Hart has been struggling and Ingram is clearly not good enough to be the man, Ingram is hands down the single most blame worthy guy for these last 2 losses to Knicks and thunder. But honestly there’s nothing about losing these close games that’s alarming other then the fact the West is stacked and every game counts.

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Time to package Ingram, KCP,

Time to package Ingram, KCP, Beasley + picks for Beal!

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I have always had Ingram and

I have always had Ingram and Ball as the Lakers only untouchables, but lately in the right deal I would part with them as neither look as though they will live up to their lofty expectations.

I think it may be time for Luke to go too. Tired of hearing his same stuff after each loss. Ty Lue is out there former Laker and coached/got along with Lebron going to 3 finals.

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Ball is fine Ingram maybe as you have...

With Ingram you could make a move and feel happy about it as you have a bigger sample size of what he can actually do and how he is effective..He maybe is a little to iso heavy to be fully effective on this team which wants alot of Ball movement..

Ball has looked pretty good so far without Lebron(except thunder game), Would you really feel comfortable trading him right now with unknowns still surrounding like He is close to being like Kidd now what will he do with a full healthy offseason do for him and his jump shot?

Walton though is a hard one.. His rotations have been bad to average but that happens with LBJ coming on board and have been given retreads as players(outside of Hart,Ball,Kuz and ingram)...Personally I would give him 1-2 more seasons as right now there is nothing that much better out there + his development team have done an ok job with youth so far..Also I would give him 1 season with final team to see if he could handle them as he proved he could win with 4 big names easily..

As for Lue I just loled due to two things:

He is clearly more clueless than Walton he looks lost more often than not + that finals time out loss may have ticked LBJ off enough not to endorse him

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He lost even more when there was no LBJ with Kyrie,Tristan and Love... So there is that also..

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Lonzo's defense is pretty god damn good though for a second year player.. He's gonna be a lock down defender in the future.. Ingram has the tools but he's skinny as hell and doesn't have the same intensity. I'd get rid of him first.

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Depends on how you view this roster...

If you trade all your youth now to try capitalize on LBJ's twiglight years(which he is in) you are going to have the Lakers being the Nets like when Prokorov took over and mortgage the future for a couple of 2nd round maybe a WCF out.

Personally this period with LBJ out has shown two things:

Lonzo isn't a scrub he just needs to assert himself more when LBJ is there on the scoring end. Which will make this team more dangerous..

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That Luke really needs to be more aware of when to speed up and slow down the game/get better at his rotations...

As for making moves I would see at the end of the season as then you have fully evaluated who is a keeper and can also go over the cap after the new star is signed by trading after this has happened..

Beal,A.D and Dame are the names I could see them going for in offseason.

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Thing is the Lakers don't use

Thing is the Lakers don't use Ball right. He is best served as a primary ball handler that pushes the ball up the floor by the pass in transition or attacks the basket to create for others. He is not suited for an off ball or halfcourt game. The Lakers have Lebron, Ingram, and Rondo who handle the ball more than Ball. They are basically using ball as a spot up shooter. If you want a PG like that that is more of a scoring PG and can spot up off the ball their are much better options out there.

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I very much agree. I think

I very much agree. I think Ball is the 2nd best player on the team today. He just shows it inconsistently, because LeBron and Ingram and Rondo. I think Ball will get better at the rack in the offseason and it’ll make a huge difference.

If you need a bucket as the clock runs out, Ingram is the only guy you can count on, besides LeBron. For everyone’s endless complaints about a would-be college senior, he is pretty great. He takes too long with the ball, yes. But the real problem is still strength. He’s very tough, just not strong. When other teams start dunking and get amped up, he’s the guy who wants to go dunk on the other team. Very competitive. But he gets bumped and loses the ball. All the time. He gets around people very well with his extending, but if they stay with him, he has to push through... and he can’t. He gets stopped dead in his tracks. This happens 2-4 times a game. It’s just strength. It’ll take another 2 years.

People need to ease off. He’s young enough to learn to fit the team. He’s a smart enough dude. I also don’t care about LeBron’s prime years. I think he picked the wrong team. His fault. Keep the young guys. LeBron isn’t forever.

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