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  • #19190
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    nateoak10
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    They just got big Z and Juwan Howard along with Mike Miller so there lineup is basically set

    PG: Chalmers,
    SG: Wade,Miller
    SF: LBJ, D.Butler
    PF: Bosh , Howard , Haslem, Varnado
    C: Z, Bosh , Pittman

    They can still maybe pick up someone like JWill for really cheap, and maybe Joel Anthony would come back for nothing.

    OT: CB4’s new nickname = Boshasorous rex

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  • #353885
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    RickyRubio9
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    I’d put Haslem before Howard,
    But you’re right, their team is looking pretty darn good.
    Maybe another Small Forward to back up LeBron since Butler is coming off that injury & he’s a rookie.
    And I’d love to add White Chocolate. I been saying that since LBJ signed! Maybe Eddie House as a Knockdown “Point Guard”
    Everyone keeps saying Haslem can play the 5-Spot, I haven’t really watched the Heat in past years so I have no clue if he can.

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  • #353889
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    mikeyvthedon
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    Just wanted to get this up here, Rick Reilly wrote 5 things about LeBron that are a slightly different take than most people seem to have. Rick is solid and usually has a great outlook, and I thought it was a well done short piece. I am liking the Heats line-up as well, I do like the potential signing of J-Will and if they could get one more big Center (I am thinking Shaq, but that seems like a pipe dream), than they will be a force to be reckoned with. I am glad they picked DeSean Butler, I really hope he does well after he is fully recuperated.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=5373709

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  • #353935
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    Platypus
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    I agree with White Chocolate and House if they take it and to sign a small forward because knee injurys are hard to come off of

    people they could sign at small forward

    Jerry Stackhouse
    T-Mac

    or shooting guards and move Mike Miller to small forward

    Keith Bogans
    Sasha Pavlovic (not sure if he’d take less money to win though)
    Marquis Daniels (not sure if he’d take less money to win though)
    Michael Finley

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  • #353941
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    thparadox
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    They should really keep him at Center. He’s an ideal fit for this team… he pretty much just plays really tough defense and doesn’t use any offensive possessions.

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  • #353956
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    doubledribbler
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    White Chocolate has already ruled out playing for the minimum. I think he would have liked to have gone back and would have been a great fit, but he took the minimum last year and is unwilling to do so again. I can’t really blame him when similar types of backups are getting 3 to 4 million a year.

    I expect Mike Miller to backup both Lebron and Wade, at least at this point.

    Do people really like how this team looks so far? The only really tough players that they have are Wade and Haslem. Lebron, Bosh, Howard, Z and Miller are all pretty soft. None of their big guys rebound very well. Bosh averaged 10 a game, but that might be getting 14 one night and 6 rebs the next. Z shot much better from three than he did inside of the 3 point line this year. I think he was under 45% from the field and he’s 7’3″. If Z and Chalmers are pushed to the bench, then I start liking this team a lot more. No matter what happens at the end of the season Riley has to be GM of the year. He signed 2 of the top 3 players along with another all star to play with them. To me that’s just getting the job done at the highest level regardless of if these guys had already decided to play with each other.

    I’m with everyone else on bringing back Anthony though. They need that toughness down low. He’s a guy that knows his role, though I’m thinking there would be some kind of market for him.

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  • #353963
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    RUDEBOY_
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    i’m not impressed with the role players they’ve signed..the vets have been inconsistent the past few years & the rookies are inexperienced …..mike miller hasnt played well since he left memphis..and remember last season chalmers was taken out of the starting lineup & benched…becuz he went thru a string of games where he wasnt playing well… haslem can play some center..but in matchups against guys like dwight,duncan & bynum he’s too short..and big z is too slow…and howard does some of the same things that haslem does…the rookie pittman is a banger,but he’s too short..with no real depth on the team..that means either lebron or wade will have to be on the floor when the subs come in..watching the big 3 is going to be fun..by the time the playoffs roll around..the big 3 will be burned out having to logged so many minutes during the regular season…

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  • #353966
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    Mr. Jewboy
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    i’m sorry, but i just dont like them signing Z
    as someone said, he doenst shoot well, and when they play the magic he’s gonna get killed by dwight, just like two years ago!!
    they need another big body that can play dwight howard

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  • #353967
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    IndianaBasketball
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    I’m not impressed with the role players they’ve signed either.

    Mike Miller is very injury prone, so they may want to sign another wing that can shoot and score.

    Jerry Stackhouse made a great point on NBATV… He said it was important that they got players who weren’t going to just sit around and watch the Big Three do everything… He said they needed players that’d be aggressive and look to take pressure off of the Big Three.

    I don’t think they’ve done that.

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  • #353977
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    PurpleMonkeyDishwasher
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    The Heat are going to be a work in progress that can be changed for old 50 cent players any time they want/need.
    The Heats biggest concern will be injuries to all of their “fossil all-stars”. Miami has always been a big retirement community and it looks like that’s where they will be filling out their roster from.

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  • #353978
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    BothTeamsPlayedHard
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    Don’t make the assumption that the second round picks will be invited to camp or even if they do, make the team. I certainly would not expect them to be anything more than the 13-15th men on the team.

    Haslem is going to get a lot of minutes at both the 4 and 5.

    The top seven of Chalmers, Wade, James, Bosh, Ilgauskas, Miller, and Haslem is the best or second best in the league. They’ll find another veteran point guard, and at that point it is going to look a ton like the 2004 Lakers.

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  • #353995
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    ItsVictorOladipo
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    Have they officially come to terms with Howard? Cause I had only heard that hey were close to signing him. They NEED another big man or two both Howard and Z at this stage in their career aren’t effective for more than around 22 minutes per game. If one of them goes down with an injury Miami’s championship dreams could vanish with them. If they have to give significant minutes to Dexter Pittman they are gonna get absolutely destroyed under the hoop.

    It would be wise to add a couple of guys like Joel Anthony, Earl Barron, Theo Ratliff, Aaron Gray, DJ Mbenga, Etan Thomas etc. Just big bodies that can bang down low, grab a few boards and hustle.

    As far as solidifying their backcourt, I think Keyon Dooling would be a perfect fit for the Heat. And he has expressed interest in going back home to Florida (either to Miami or to Orlando).

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  • #353996
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    JoeWolf1

    I agree DwightHoward, Pittman is not the answer unless he’s playing 10-15 min per game spelling your starter and I’d be shocked just watching the way Big Z moves on the court paired with his age if he plays more than 60 games this year for 20 minutes a clip. I heard Earl Barron is going to resign with the Knicks. I got blasted yesterday for suggesting Kwame Brown, but for 15-20 minutes a game the dude is 7′ strong as an ox has 6 fouls to give and lets face it the Heat aren’t going to need a lot of scoring from the 5 spot.

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  • #353998
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    romeeezybaby
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    Say what you want about Kwame, but he’s actually a pretty decent/above average low post defender. Rarely see him getting pushed around also due to his massive/built frame.

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  • #353999
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    romeeezybaby
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    Say what you want about Kwame, but he’s actually a pretty decent/above average low post defender. Rarely see him getting pushed around also due to his massive/built frame.

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  • #354012
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    SpencerIsHawesome2
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    I don’t think Mike Miller is officially a member of the Heat yet. Apparently Beasley hasn’t been able to get to Minny to take his physical yet so before Miller can sign Beasley has to take his physical… BUT, as probable as it is it’s not official yet

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  • #354015
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    Hoops Maestro
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    Ira Winderman of the South Florida Sun Sentinel predicted this lineup:

    SG D Wade — signed
    SF LeBron James — signed
    PF Chris Bosh — signed
    PG Mario Chalmers — signed
    PF Udonis Haslem — signed

    SG/SF Mike Miller — agreed to terms
    C Joel Anthony — Heat made qualifying offer
    C Jamaal Magloire — friend of D Wade
    PG Carlos Arroyo — same agent as LeBron
    SF James Jones

    PF Juwan Howard — close to a deal
    C Zydrunas Ilgauskas — now signed
    C Dexter Pittman — draft pick
    SF Da’Sean Butler — draft pick
    PG TBD — could be Jason Williams, Keyon Dooling, or Earl Watson

    Summer league guys with a chance to make the 15-man roster:
    Kenny Hasbrouck
    Patrick Beverly
    Jarvis Varnado
    Jon Scheyer (looking good so far)

    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_basketball_heat/2010/07/heats-roster-pieces-are-falling-into-place.html

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  • #354040
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    BothTeamsPlayedHard
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    “For that matter, Jon Scheyer and his 3-point shooting just might be welcomed, based on his summer showing thus far.”

    Scheyer must have played the greatest 6 minutes and 2 points of basketball a man has ever played in the history of the summer league last night.

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  • #354061
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    Allen20
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    i think the roster looks pretty good….but i had an idea from a post b4 about LBJ playing the point guard…..

    PG-LBJ,Chalmers
    SG-DWade,Hasbrouck
    SF-Miller,D.Butler
    PF-Bosh,Haslem,Vanardo
    C-Big Z,Howard,Anthony

    of course the roster doesnt look finished so b4 anyone say sumthin plz wait til im finished…..their summer league team looks ok so hasbrouck culd be on the roster.so can patrick beverly if LBJ doesnt play PG.im jus wonder if beverley can guard the rondo’s the nash’s paul’s william’s of the league…he’s a pretty good defender though i like him as a back up PG.Hasbrouck may be more of a SF so the Keyon Dooling idea sounds good also.

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  • #354128
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    cominup7
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    The Heat will obviously field a very talented roster offensively, but when your best defender on the team is Mario Chalmers, you are gonna have problems defensively. Bosh doesn’t play D and LeBron & Wade both put up big numbers in steals and blocks, but they aren’t necessarily good defenders, and they both will be expending a lot of energy on offense because of the other players lack of ability to create offense on their own (Mike Miller, Haslem, etc.)

    Also, they don’t have much offensive balance either, and they can be shut down easily by the likes of Boston or Orlando because they can clog the paint defensively with big bodies (D. Howard+Gortat, Perkins+KG).

    They’ll make it to the EC Finals, but no ring this year…

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  • #354146
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    BothTeamsPlayedHard
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    LeBron James and Dwyane Wade are their best defensive players. It isn’t a shot at Mario Chalmers, but don’t dismiss those two defensively. LeBron James can guard four positions, and do so well. Wade is as good defensively as his health allows. Carrying the load of a bad supporting cast made him pick his spots defensively over the past few years, but that is why he did what he did to get help.

    As far as offensive balance, Wade hung 33 points per game on 56 percent shooting against Boston in the playoffs. LeBron had by all accounts a “bad series” and averaged 27-7-9. Even if Bosh doesn’t have a Pau-like renaissance on a winner, they have pretty much a guaranteed 60 points from those two. Mike Miller, Big Z, Udonis Haslem, and Mario Chalmers are not a bad supporting cast. They’ll come through.

    I’m not locking the Heat into the title. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh played on a Team USA squad that lost to Greece in 2006. The 2004 Lakers with an in his prime Shaq, an in his prime Kobe, Karl Malone coming off a 20-8 season, and Gary Payton coming off a 20-8 season didn’t win. They are the favorites, they should win it. I don’t think they realize what kind of bulls eye this whole act has put on them, and the toughness of LeBron and Bosh will get tested because of it. We’ll see if they step up. If LeBron starts taking fadeaway 20-footers and the aches and pains take their toll so that they start becoming a finesse team, it is possible that they get beat. It won’t have to do with defense. It won’t have to do with the supporting cast.

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