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- Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:24pm #26519
The8thDeadlySinParticipantI love the move the Hawks made to aquire Kirk but I dont think it quite makes them championship contenders… I think that they still need to make another move to 2… I would like to see them get a defensive minded big like Tyson Chandler… Then, this team could have a setup like other championship contenders…
Possible championship lineup:
- Hinrick
- Johnson
- Smith
- Hortford
- Chandler
- Crawford
- Williams
- Pachula
IDK if that team is a contender but look at it like this:
Hinrick is a defensive minded PG who can put the ball in the hoop.. He can play off of Johnson as the "2" or run the team at the point…
Johnson is an absolute scorer.. Any given night, this guy can put up 30 points.. Also, he rebounds and dishes the ball.. Leader of the offense and not a terrible defender
Smith is a great defender who has some explosive offense.. He rebounds at a great pace and can guard almost anyone in the league.. He is on Dwight Howard one night and the next night he is chasing Kevin Durant all over the place..
Hortford is a fantastic player that is getting ready to break out.. He is borderline 20-10 and they dont run many plays to him.. Also, he needs to move to the PF to be the best possible for him and the Hawks.. He is a great rebounder and a nice physical body.
Tyson Chandler is a FA this summer and would provide a great presence in the paint with his size and athletic ability.. He can change the tempo of a game just by cloging the paint.. Hinrick and Johnson can move the ball well enough to keep him active on offense with lobs and pick and roll situations..
Crawford needs to be resigned.. He is as explosive as they come on offense.. Give him the ball and move… He needs to be on this team because outside of Hortford and Johnson, they really dont have a guy that can create for himself.
Williams has shown that he can defend and hit the open shot.. He has a spot on this team and could be a great sub for the SF/PF spot with his abilty to spread the floor.
Zaza is the modle of a backup PF/C.. He works hard, rebounds, and fights for his team.. He is the kind of backup that every contender needs..
Does that one simple move make this team another powerhouse in the East and is it possible for this team to steal Chandler from the Mavs AND resign Crawford??
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:26pm #503782
flyboyParticipantThat lineup is not a championship contender. They’re stuck in between good enough to make the playoffs consistently as a 4-6 seed, but not good enough to compete with elite teams consistently.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:28pm #503783
The8thDeadlySinParticipantSo what else do they need to do to become a contender?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:30pm #503786
Real Talk Real TrophiesParticipantI think that would def make them a contender, esp if teague develops like I think he can and be an explosive change of pace pg. But there is no way the hawks will be able to offer chandler enough with the year he is having and keep crawford with the new cba and the current contracts on this team. I would really like the team u made, but it will not happen
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:31pm #503787
immaletufinishbutParticipantI agree, until they get a center, they will not be a contender. But I do like the move for Hinrich
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:31pm #503788
BKKnicksfanParticipantI don’t think they can get Chandler this offseason. He’s worth more then the MLE imo
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:34pm #503792
The8thDeadlySinParticipantWell could they sign Chandler, forget Crawford, and hope for Teague, Sy, or a guy like Von Wafer or someone to provide that kind of scoring punch off the bench that they really need?
Because I think that size and defense are more important than a guy that can score…
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:39pm #503796
Real Talk Real TrophiesParticipanti agree 8th deadly sin, if they could get chandler and lose crawford def worth it and then pick up a lower level shooter/scorer to help fill void. More gary neals out there, prob not many tyson chandlers
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:39pm #503797
BKKnicksfanParticipantThey aren’t under the cap even if Crawford leaves. Plus, Dallas has the bird rights and could offer more for Chandler, who’s looked great next to Dirk
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:42pm #503798
sacphil_08Participantthey wont get chandler. im 99% positive that dallas will resign him no matter what especially when you look at the effect hes had on dallas this year. i think they may POSSIBLY be good enough to reach the conference finals this year but thats a stretch given that orlando will almost absolutely destroy them again, they probably cant be chicago but thats a great matchup and they have no chance against boston or maybe even miami. they need a legit defensive center. maybe sammy d if he becomes available in the offseason. hinrich doesnt seem to be the same guy he was in chicago early on but i understand the move; he plays great D and can shoot as well as bibby in the same situation (bibby is a HUGE liability on D which will probably hurt miami more than his offense in all honesty) theyre a legit big man away or maybe some major injuries to those top teams away whichever comes first if ever
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:44pm #503799
flyboyParticipantHinrich, personally, I don’t think is a starting PG on an elite team. He’s a great 6th man. He’s a combo guard with good PG skills. With Johnson that isn’t a big problem since he can also create for others and himself, but Hinrich isn’t the type of PG whose going to get you 10 assists consistently or shot create for others at the end of shotclocks and games.
Secondly, Chandler isn’t going to be signing with the Hawks, their financial situation isn’t the best and there are other teams with better chances to take him if he becomes available. Their C situation is a problem, as we all know, Horford isn’t a C. The Hawks aren’t a great rebounding team. That is a huge hole for them, I somewhat wonder why they don’t start Zaza with Horford and move Williams to the bench.
Their next problem is, Joe Johnson is a very good player, but he’s not elite. He’s not on Carmelo, LeBron, Pierce, Wade, Howard etc. level. Atlanta simply does not match up with the best teams well. Their big 3 isn’t as good as the other teams. They have offensive cohesion problems pretty often, when they struggle with their outside shooting, they aren’t pretty to watch.
So overall, Atlanta is a good team, but they have a few too many weaknesses to truly threaten the elite teams.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:44pm #503800
SteroidParticipantThey look good on paper, and it is what it is… They just have a bunch of good, not great players. Like someone said above, I think they could be competitive in the playoffs with more depth on their froncourt and Al playing his real position. More specifically and something I’ve picked up from watching the hawks in the playoffs, I have yet to see Smith step up in the playoffs especially on defense, which is supposed to be his speciality. If they could be as good as the pistons defensively when they were on their runs, then this would be enough to win a championship. Unfortunately, they don’t have that type of defense to make up for their lack of a true, "superstar" caliber player.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:45pm #503801
The8thDeadlySinParticipantI agree that he has looked good next to Dirk! I didnt know that they would still be over the cap with the loss of Crawford… Maybe they could trade for him or something.. Dallas’ window of winning is coming to a close but the Hawks are just reaching theirs…
I usually dont talk about individual teams like this but I was impressed with how the Hawks came back and won against the Bulls last night.. I would like to see a team full of good guys like Joe Johnson and Al Horford do well..
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 1:57pm #503815
nateoak10ParticipantThere bench needs help too
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 2:15pm #503821
PlatypusParticipantwhere is the money that they will get to sign Chandler, the mid level exception?
1. Dallas can pay more
2. Miami can pay the same and has a better chance than Atlanta
3. The Lakers, he can come off the bench because he is getting up there in age and with Bynum’s health concerns he has a chance to get his minutes, he is also from California
4. Boston, he can play defense and catch lobs from Rondo and try to fill the role of Perkins
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 2:37pm #503828
ChrischiParticipantEven if it hurts I think they have to get either rid of Josh Smith or Al Horford. Both are all-stars and legit starters on a contending team. The problem is: Horford can’t defend the 5 spot. Smith isn’t a good SF, what he lacks most is real range. Adding to this he loses his quickness advantage if he plays that position.
And yes, they need a good defensive center. They might try to get Brendan Haywood from the Mavs. He has a bad contract, but is a proven starting center. The just gets no PT because Chandler plays so tremendous.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 2:54pm #503834
boxn1ParticipantUnless they become the best defensive team in the NBA they aren’t a championship contender. The Hawks have scoring issues, like the 04′ Pistons. What they lacked on offense and play making was made up by superior defense. Now,the one variable no one can account for is a player on the hawks making a quantum progression and becoming a top 15-20 player. Which is possible,because of Horford’s growth. I wouldn’t bet on them with my money, but they do have a chance.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 3:01pm #503838
sheltwon3ParticipantThey really need to be able to play Hoford at center. That has been key for a while but they seem like they can’t figure that out.
0- Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 3:06pm #503840
nhlkdog411Participantyou mean play him at the 4? He already plays center…
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- Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 4:12pm #503853
getacombhahahahaha von wafer, he aint doin shit
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 4:22pm #503859
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantWhy would Dallas let Tyson Chandler walk? He’s having a career season and the Mavericks look re-energized with him downlow. He’s also on the way to break the record for highest TS% in a single season all-time.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 4:30pm #503862
jjonzParticipantI know Cuban has $$$$ and has spent $$$ but i heard one of the minority owners sued him because the Mavs were losing Money. Regardless BHaywood has 5 yr55 mill left on his deal can they possibly resign TChandler. TChandler is 28/29 this is his last contract so he should look for a 4-5yr deal paying slightly more than KPerk is getting. Depending on the next CBA the Mavs have One major contract coming off this summer CButler 14-15 mill.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 5:45pm #503880
YurpleHazEParticipantIts going to be intresting to see who leaves first between al and josh
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 5:45pm #503883
YurpleHazEParticipantIts going to be intresting to see who leaves first between al and josh
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 5:50pm #503882
MelParticipantNo. As currently constructed, they are too small.
They HAVE to make a decision, a very tough one, and that is move either Josh Smith or Al Horford.
They are both 6’9 Power Forwards and you absolutely need a legit Center to win one.
Horford has done an admirable job but is too small and out of position.
I will always hate Hawks Front Office. They set the team back 10 years by passing on CP3 Or D.WILL
Top 10 Talents when they needed and still need a Point Guard.
Joe Johnson, is good, just not the $120 million man his contract suggests he is. 20-4-4 is not enough. Needs to get to the line more, and that’s on him not the refs.
Marvin Williams….not his fault he was picked #2. That ‘POTENTIAL’ thing again. Harrison Barnes anyone?
My team but I have to say it like it is, they arent ready for prime time. Their ‘Core’ really shouldnt be untouchable. Smith can go. I would keep A.H. over him.
Joe’s contract will come back to bite them. And Marvin over the best PGs in the game continues to haunt them.
Mistake after mistake. And to make things worse, that wasnt the draft pick that killed them in my opinion. Sheldon Williams in 2006 with the #5 pick!
That’s all. Im getting mad typing this. lol
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 5:50pm #503885
MelParticipantNo. As currently constructed, they are too small.
They HAVE to make a decision, a very tough one, and that is move either Josh Smith or Al Horford.
They are both 6’9 Power Forwards and you absolutely need a legit Center to win one.
Horford has done an admirable job but is too small and out of position.
I will always hate Hawks Front Office. They set the team back 10 years by passing on CP3 Or D.WILL
Top 10 Talents when they needed and still need a Point Guard.
Joe Johnson, is good, just not the $120 million man his contract suggests he is. 20-4-4 is not enough. Needs to get to the line more, and that’s on him not the refs.
Marvin Williams….not his fault he was picked #2. That ‘POTENTIAL’ thing again. Harrison Barnes anyone?
My team but I have to say it like it is, they arent ready for prime time. Their ‘Core’ really shouldnt be untouchable. Smith can go. I would keep A.H. over him.
Joe’s contract will come back to bite them. And Marvin over the best PGs in the game continues to haunt them.
Mistake after mistake. And to make things worse, that wasnt the draft pick that killed them in my opinion. Sheldon Williams in 2006 with the #5 pick!
That’s all. Im getting mad typing this. lol
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 8:39pm #504035
GrandmamaParticipantChampionship contender? That squad you posted isn’t even a top 10 team in the league. Boston, Orlando, Chicago, Miami, Lakers, Dallas, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, New York are all better teams.
Who do they need you ask? Maybe a prime Dominique Wilkins and David Robinson? They have a good nucleus, but that team needs a superstar if they want to win a ship.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 8:39pm #504036
GrandmamaParticipantChampionship contender? That squad you posted isn’t even a top 10 team in the league. Boston, Orlando, Chicago, Miami, Lakers, Dallas, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, New York are all better teams.
Who do they need you ask? Maybe a prime Dominique Wilkins and David Robinson? They have a good nucleus, but that team needs a superstar if they want to win a ship.
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