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- Posted on: Sun, 10/30/2011 - 2:16pm #33589
franfranParticipantI open this post to discuss who will be best player this season and in the future in the NBA
Harrison Barnes VS Terrence Jones: Harrison Barnes, I think we have again a slow start, which will last for about 5 games, but it will be a master of the competition.His mentality and work ethic impressive to me it is the big winner of this face to face for the next season and the NBA
Jared Sullinger VS Perry Jones: Jared Sullinger, I think Perry Jones never reached the level that everyone thinks they can have, moreover Sulling Jared is a safe bet, is very consistent and play well I’m sure that as they age develop a medium shot reliable distance is even going to venture into more than one occasion to throw triples.For next season there can be no impediment to Jared is the most dominant inside player, statistically speaking, I do not want anyone even thought I’m saying that Perry Jones is a failure, is a great player … Only lack the will and effort to reach the required level
0 - Posted on: Sun, 10/30/2011 - 2:35pm #605954
rileymcshea3ParticipantI dont get it
There like not even fair competitions
0 - Posted on: Sun, 10/30/2011 - 2:38pm #605955
Cardinal_FanParticipantHarrison Barnes not even close his game is just so much more complete and mature, as for the bigs ill take Sullinger just beacuse i know for sure what i’ll get every night, Perry Jones is a great talent but the killer instinct just isn’t there…maybe this season he could sway my opinion tho
0 - Posted on: Sun, 10/30/2011 - 3:22pm #605963
thatdude44ParticipantI think Barnes will become the player everyone sees him becoming. IMO he picks up here he lefted off last year and will put up some good numbers for the UNC. As far as the nba goes i think he still could be a number 1 pick in the up coming draft because he’s more complete and has the size, skill, and work ethic. T. Jones IMO will also have a good year and i love UK but i have to go with Barnes on this.
Perry Jones to me though is in some cases a sleeper, the talent is there its more so a matter of him lighting that fire and killing the comp.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 10/30/2011 - 8:06pm #605983
RUDEBOY_ParticipantAfter the end of last season,Barnes outstanding play ,put him head and above the other guys on your list…
As for their rankings right now its
1.Barnes 2. Sullinger 3.Perry Jones 4. Terrance Jones..
I think after the end of this season Barnes will remain the better prospect…But Perry Jones could move to number 2..If he plays more aggresive…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 12:22am #605988
Cardinal_FanParticipantI get a negative for basically sayin the same thing Rudeboy said smh……
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 4:38am #606005
uknationParticipantNot sure how Perry is gon na move ahead of Suly who was dominate as a freshman and is in better shape this year. Barnes won’t go number one because Davis and Drummond are good and have great potential (That’s what gets you picked higher)
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 4:50am #606008
ghrghrParticipantI would take Barnes and Sullinger, but I think that Perry Jones can prove me wrong. Terrence Jones is a good player, but I don’t think he is on the level of the other 3.
To me, Harrison Barnes will be an amazing asset for any team in the league. Maybe not as a winning first option, but he can be a great second option.
Sullinger will be good, but his size should limit his upside. He can become a more athletic, better defensively Zach Randolph type(less range).
Terrence jones doesn’t have a position and perry jones still has a lot to prove.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 6:01am #606012
WizardofOzParticipantGood to see that franfran has worked on english.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 6:10am #606014
The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipantBut I’ll give you guys my opinion on these 6 prospects(Barnes,Sullinger,Jones x2,Davis and Drummond…
I will rank them in terms of NBA potential…
1. Perry Jones, I know people have been way down on Perry but no other prospect mentioned has his combination of size,speed and skills…he has to better define his position but at this point he can be a great Sf or Pf…he can either be a score first Sf that becomes a mismatch for any defender or a stretch Pf…His best case scenario is a taller Rudy Gay or a Lamarcus Aldrigde type at Pf…if he completely falls out of love with basketball his worst case scenario is Donte Greene(basiclly a tall Sf that floats around the 3 point line and shows flashes but no real consistency)
2. Harrison Barnes…this guy is just a solid Sf no matter how you look at him…I think everyone can safely say he’ll never be your teams Star but a very good 2nd or 3rd guy…he can shoot from midrange and slash to the rim but he lacks elite explosiveness and a consistent shot from deep, he doesnt need to jump out of the building or have Ray Allen’s 3 pointer but in this day and age, those things can factor into a player like Barnes being taking # 1…He’ll have a carrer similar to Deng in Chicago, his abilities may be best suited to play alot like Deng as well…He should not be expected to be a savior and carry a franchise in a Bad sitiuation…
3. Terrence Jones…This guy could very well be the biggest sleeper in this draft, picture where he could fall if he has even an average year playing on a deep Kentucky Wildcat team with plenty of other NBA talent around him, yet this guy is one of the more complete players in the Draft, good size, speed, and ability with the basketball…He has most of the tools to succed at the next level in a multitude of ways, if he defends, keeps within the offensive gameplan and flat out does all the things he can like pass,shoot from midrange and deep,post up, slash the basket and become a go to guy late, he’ll be in position to become a great player some lucky NBA team…I can see Terrence become a great scorer OR a very good 5 tool player, this is where the Lamar Odom comparisson comes in, LO always had the ability to become any player he wanted to, scorer,passer,defender…Terrence Jones has the same ability,it’s just all up to him as to what road he takes…Coach Cal knows this most…
4. Jared Sullinger…I know people are going to kill me for this one but I’m not afraid to give you an honest opinion…Sullinger is not a top tier prospect for many reasons, his height and weight issues will become huge concerns for any team in the top 5, even teams in the top 10 will have to bring up these concerns with the scouts and player personal…yes Sully is a beast in the paint and has had a great COLLEGE carrer thus far, I honestly dont think he can top himself as far as what he can accomplish at Ohio State, he was arguably the best player in college last year and could have been a top 5 pick in the draft, what’s the ceiling this year??? Is it a trip to the sweet 16, NPOY consideration and becoming a top 10 pick, Hopefully, all good goals but where does this land him in a draft or at the next level…any team looking at him top 10 has to fully invest in an undersized and unathletic Pf, albeit a very good one with weight issues…Sullinger may very well be the most ready to bang around with players in the NBA but that doesnt mean he’ll be able to get his shot off and be any thing more than a better Glen Davis type…I truly believe that’s his ceiling, a better Big Baby Davis…
5 and 6…Andre Drummond and Anthony Davis…I will speak shrtly on these two prospects only because I saw their names brought up above for some odd reason…If I were a credible site or scout I would not Rank players like this above those that have actually PLAYED a game of ORGANIZED BASKETBALL, I don’t care how good people think they are or could become…Until guys like this play and succed at the next level, COLLEGE Basketball in this case, they should not be ranked or rated higher than by anybody…especially sites like this one…I feel like that is some HYPE machine BS and needs to stop…let this players play 5 games and then make an EDUCATED assessment of his abilities at the CURRENT Level and their potential for success at the NEXT…I will not even reckonize players like Drummond and Davis until they play a fair amount of Games in The NCAA…
Quote The Scare Crow…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 6:15am #606015
omphalosParticipantI think Barnes can be a first option on a winning team if it were built like the Pistons of old; a very solid, deep, hard-working team where you don’t need your first option going for 30 every night in order to win.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 6:43am #606017
RUDEBOY_ParticipantI see me Scarecrow & I are the only guys not afraid to say Sullinger is a bit overrated…
I think he can be an all star,but not a superstar..I’ve seen alot of players similar to him, that were great college player and only were above average pros…Wayman Tisdale was dominate in colleg..Tisdale had 1 of the greatest freshman year in the history of college basketball…But he wasnt so great in the pros..I see Sully in that same mold…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 6:58am #606021
The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipantBut top 5 is overated…Pg’s,C’s and Tall F’s get taken top 5, not under sized Pf who perform well in college…Think about it…He’s not Blake Griffin, Blake is 6’9 maybe 6’10 with shoes and can obviously jump out the atmosphere…He’s not Elton Brand abck in his Duke days…Brand was a solid 6’9 and could out muscle/rebound and post up any Pf in The NBA day one, add the fact Brand was a great defender and averaged 20 and 10 most of his carrer…Sully wont sniff that type of production at the next level…Hell Carlos Boozer was great in college and got taken in the 2nd round…who does Sullinger compare to at the next Level…I’ll wait for answers…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 7:27am #606024
RUDEBOY_ParticipantI’ve seen guys compare him to Kevin Love..But he’s not the passer Love is…He depends on his strength and body to get his way in the post..That wont work all the time in the pros..
But i did see him use more post moves toward the end of last season..That could be helpful…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 7:32am #606025
The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipantLove is a solid 6’10 , Sully’s what 6’7 or 6’8…Love can pass and shot 3 pointers like a Guard…and he lead the NBA in RPG, got multiple double doubles and made the All Star Team…Love had a Legendary season, and if he played for any Team other than The Timberwolves he would be billed as the Next Best Thing…20 and 15 plus a couple of Assist and 3’s…how does Sulinger compare…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 8:03am #606029
mikeyvthedonParticipantIs not a solid 6’10. He actually laughs when people bring that up. Sullinger is every bit as tall as Kevin Love, not to mention he has a longer wing span (not that it is a big deal, but it is true). I think that besides Kevin’s passing ability, which I feel has been incredibly utilized in the NBA (maybe out of necessity), they are incredibly similar players. I actually think that Kevin is the more athletic of the two, but Sullinger is probably stronger. He does not have Kevin’s shooting touch, but I think he is even more of a load closer to the basket. People were saying that Kevin could not get by on his pure strength and basketball IQ, and he has developed big time, but why can the same not be said for Jared Sullinger?
Personally, I think the Sullinger height questions are old. He has incredibly legit PF size with all things considered. He was measured as being 6’10 in shoes at the Amare Camp this summer. While he may indeed not be that tall (I doubt he is), I think it is safe to say, he is just about the same height as Kevin Love. The same Kevin Love who was measured at 6’8.25 during the 2008 Draft and was surprised he was that tall. Throw on an inch and a half in shoes, and people call him 6’10. But, as I said, I think he and Sullinger are neck and neck in the height department.
Now, besides the whole height thing, while Sullinger may not be Kevin Love, I still think he can be a really effective PF. He is very skilled and seems to have a great basketball mind and work ethic. He has apparently slimmed down a great deal, which Kevin did as well after HS. I have little problem seeing him as a Top 5 pick, because you know what you are getting. He may not be a superstar, but he looks like a guy who could come in and get a double double. Their are simply not that many PF’s with his size and ability. The same people who said that Kevin could not use his physicality to produce at the level he did in college were wrong. He did develop his game in other areas, but he had no problem getting knocked around. His problems lied more in guarding quicker and longer players rather than being outmuscled.
Sullinger will go through the exact same thing, but I think this guy is going to be the one dishing out more punishment than he receives. I think he clearly would have been a Top 5 pick last season, and while their may be guys with more upside in this years draft, I think Sullinger will be proven results. To me, Perry Jones is a major question mark, and I would have no problem taking Sullinger in front of him. This may change, but their is something about Perry Jones that makes me say he will not live up to the hype. Also, while I am a fan of Terrence Jones, I like Barnes more as well. Sullinger and Barnes were rated the top HS guys for a reason, and while the other two may be more physically intriguing, I think the mental game goes to Sully and Barnes. I think they should both be more successful in the NBA than their matched up counterparts. Things could change, but this is how I see it right now.
By the way, not calling any of these guys All-Stars or Franchise players right now. They all could be starting level talents and possible All-Stars, but I am unsure if any of the four could carry a team in the NBA. Barnes seems like the most likely candidate, but I think that he still will need to develop as far as creating shots for himself. Heard positive things about his working on his ball handling this summer, but I still think it will be difficult to see him on the level of a LeBron James, Durant and Carmelo Anthony, all of whom he will have to compete against as they are still in their relative prime.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 8:23am #606031
HarbingerWhat designer pill are you popping? Jared impacts the interior of both end of the court. He may not be the best shot blocker but whos going through him? I have the beg ten channel saw most games he played and THE ONLY THING STOPPING HIM WAS THE NOT DOUBLE BUT "HECTA-TEAMS" THAT WAS SENT AFTER HIM ON D!!!! Main reason he got eliminated from tourney, and your saying sullinger doesnt have passing or ball handling abilities when he does.I can see him having a better post game then love and entire offense was ran through him since he got on campus and he won cant say the same about love now or in ucla .
Differnce between boozer and sully is that boozer has a low ball IQ watch the U.S games or the 2011 playoffs and see for your self no doubt he has skill but he gets lost in the sauce at times. Sully is a coaches son need I say more? Anybody that knows a coaches kid knows what I am getting at.
Brand was the man before injury and brand left after soph year.This is sullys soph year we all know it takes a time for big men to develope into post players on the highest levels. Dirk was a good post player at a younge age but he also had to adjust to american physicality.It takes time.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 3:23pm #606073
PlatypusParticipantSully is 6’10. go look at it on the mock draft, not that hard.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 4:19pm #606075
uknationParticipantHow exactly is Sullinger overrated? He was the best freshman last year and one of the best players while not being in great shape. How is he overrated buy a guy like Perry Jones( average year) isn’t??? Basically production means nothing anymore..lol. Has anyone notice a common theme, If you play above the rim you can become great but if you play below you can’t no matter how skilled you are.
Another thing that’s funny is how people say Perry can play Sf but Jones has no position…UMMMM did y’all even watch college basketball last season???? Perry Jones looked nothing like a SF, jumper was ehhhh handles were ehhhh, T.Jones on the other hand would go coast to coast, handle the ball on the wing in the half court, Drive and finish with authority, all in all he looked wayyyy more like a SF than Perry. Oh wait are y’all still going by his youtube highlight tape?
Ummmm no you can’t safely say Barnes won’t be a first option..I’m pretty sure Brandon Roy didn’t look like a first option as a freshman, same with Dwade,Lamarcus Aldrige,Dwill etc.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 4:47pm #606081
Harbingerperry proved nothing this year I dont see how sully and barnes are ahead of him on scarecrows.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/01/2011 - 12:10am #606098
seniokasParticipantPersonnaly, I’m very high on both Barnes and Sullinger, maybe they have some disadvantages like lack of elite explosivness ( Barnes ) or athletism (Sullinger) but they both are incredibly dedicated hardworkers and have high basketball IQ. Yeah, they at some points they are not as talented as some other players but I believe that at the end of the day the better player will be that who worked hardest not the most talented. And I can easily see Barnes as number one option on a good team, on a real team not a bunch of players like it is often in the NBA.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:28pm #606366
JoeJoParticipantI don’t get the love Barnes get, especially in terms of the NBA. I sort of get it in college because you can be a great college player if you can shoot in a variety of ways but he has too many weaknesses to be a star NBA player. The principal one is that he is just not very good at breaking down his man due to below-average quickness and handle. Based on what I’ve seen of him thus far, his handle hasn’t improved and he’s actually gotten slower after gaining 10-15 pounds of muscle. He’s also not much of a distributor. His defense can be solid but his reputation on that end is built largely from shutting down Kyle Singler a couple of times. Singler wasn’t that good of a player at Duke and anyway, the ability to shut down the likes of Singler says nothing about your ability to be a good NBA defender. I thought his defensive awareness was at the typical freshman level and he could be beaten off the dribble.
His overall package just isn’t impressive to me. I like his mid-range game and three point stroke but SFs who can’t drive or create many plays for his teammates don’t stand out as top-5 picks to me or a second/third options on championship teams. 2nd option guys are at least top 15 in the league.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/03/2011 - 9:00am #606407
uknationParticipantBarnes driving ability does bother me as far as when he gets to the NBA, but Paul P was the same way in College. Wasn’t the quickest as far as going past a player but knew how to get to the spots he wanted to and used his body. That’s the player i think Barnes can become
0- Posted on: Thu, 11/03/2011 - 4:50pm #606497
JoeJoParticipantPierce had a great first step until 2009. He could beat guys on pure short-area quickness. His body throws people off but he used to be very quick. I never saw a similar burst from Barnes in his freshman season.
I’m not saying Barnes can’t develop into a fine player. He seems smart and self-aware and committed to patching up his weaknesses. But if you’re not quick and your handle is weak, it’s really hard to become a dynamic perimeter scorer in the NBA. He also doesn’t have that ability to hand out 5/6 assists a game to make up value is other ways. A scout quoted by Seth Davis compared Barnes to Sean Elliott and given his ability to shoot in a variety of ways but limitations in driving and distributing, that’s very apt.
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- Posted on: Thu, 11/03/2011 - 9:38am #606418
HarbingerIn high school barnes had the ball alot I even saw him compete in a pg challange and almost win. Its like Turner going to the sixers when you play off ball its a whole new story.Barnes was a big reason the Tarheels won 9 straight games at the end of the season the pg change was also.Trust me tho Barnes will have a yo yo ball handling ability when he comes back this doenst mean hes going to be a play maker but be able to create his own shot better. Turning down a nba contract that could have been in the top 5?Turning down advance money and sponsers? You think hes not going to improve like he said he was going to. Less pressure will be on him and MORE HELP will be there the only tarheel I was big on last year was Zeller.I see barnes being able to slide to the 2 because he does have a rang and a scores mentailty even tho he had a tough year but with his length I can see him getting a height advantage over other players(gaurds) making life a litte easier think kevin durant.He can become what everybody wanted jr smith to become a scoring machine with the ability TO STAY ON THE FLOOR and thats at worst. Pretty hard to become hunh?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/03/2011 - 10:34am #606421
uknationParticipantIt’s alot easier to handle the ball in H.S where the competition and defense isn’t as good, gets harder once you get to college where players are better. I still think Barnes is a top 5 talent and could possibly be a star (no one knows for sure) but one of the knocks on his game is his reluctance to go to the hole
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/03/2011 - 12:41pm #606435
HarbingerYou cant teach heart nor will.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/03/2011 - 12:47pm #606439
rileymcshea3ParticipantI like how THE SCARE CROW said undersized pfs dont get drafted in the top when Derrick Williams just got drafted number 2 overall
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/03/2011 - 2:12pm #606452
M-DYMESParticipantI don’t trust Terrence Jones at all.
After watching him in the tourney, I swept him under the rug. I forget which game it was but he started off with one of the worst shooting performances I’ve ever seen for a player who is thought of that highly. It was painful, brick, after brick…and they weren’t even close. Every game I saw of him, I was not impressed at all.
On top of that, he is a tweener and the SF/PF tweeners tend not to workout as well in the NBA for some reason, or they atleast take a while to develop. In the NBA, that line of being a SF v. PF is pretty thick. You look at the prototype PFs, they are so imposing on the block and tend to be much bigger than the protypical SFs. The SFs tend to be much quicker/faster, so if you are a tweener you need to be able to handle keeping up with a SF like Durant/LeBron/Gay while being able to be strong enough to bang with guys like Amare/Aldridge/Boozer/Griffin/Randolph..etc.
That is a monumental task for anyone, especially a rookie in the NBA.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/03/2011 - 5:23pm #606507
HarbingerThe sg position in the nba is odd.Most sg are only able do one thing right score the ball. Watching Stephen Jackson fill in as a pg for golden state , and jamal crawford for bibby I started noticing most Sgs arent adequate enough to bring the ball up the court and set an offense up that leads to a scored bucket on the nba level .Most shooting gaurds have strong iso games and ball handling abilities but cant make other players better or lacks the niche to find ways for other players to score so therefore they play off ball .The great gaurds like roy,kobe,wade has this abilitie to set and offense up,score, and assit teammates at a high level thats why they ball is in their hands alot their even above average rebounders.My point is Harrison doesnt have to do anything but score the ball to be a good sg in this league.He has the potential to do all those things I listed that great sg do.In this league you dont need to be a super athlete to be great sg look at roy,harden,k-mart,mayo,joe johnson,crawford,jackson but size goes a long way for a gaurd.
IMO Harrison is a little soft he grew up playing with country and farm boys. How many elite basketball prospects and high schools do you know in Iowa? Hes no longer in a league of his own or tall as and taller then everyone.This isnt a walk in the park he needs to show killler instinct, attacking the opposition from all facets of offense.
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