[IknoBall12Participant]

I just read the espn basketball rankings and they have Kobe ranked as the #25 Ayer this year. I can’t begin to say how ridiculous this is. I understand his age and injury factor into this but are we really supposed to believe that bean Bryant isn’t going to come Back with a vengeance. He hears all the talk that he can’t come back and he won’t be the same player which may well be true but it’s no way in hell Kobe isn’t top 15.

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

Horrible

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

Horrible

[TyroberParticipant]

It seems crazy, but it also seems super hard to rate a guy. Nobody has any idea what to expect him from, but I would like to see him closer to #10-15 than #25 as well.

[EntropyParticipant]

Yeh i don’t think putting a number is a very good way of doing rankings.

They should compare players and discard the point system that they seem to be using.

[EntropyParticipant]

Yeh i don’t think putting a number is a very good way of doing rankings.

They should compare players and discard the point system that they seem to be using.

[TyroberParticipant]

It seems crazy, but it also seems super hard to rate a guy. Nobody has any idea what to expect him from, but I would like to see him closer to #10-15 than #25 as well.

[Toronto16Participant]

There is no way that there are 25 players in the NBA I’d take over Kobe, regardless of age.

[Velvet HoopParticipant]

I would agree with that assessment if everyone in the league were 35 and also recovering from achilles injury. The age isn’t so much a factor as is the part where he could potentially miss half the season and not knowing at what level he will be able to perform when he is able to return. Too many variables.

[Velvet HoopParticipant]

I would agree with that assessment if everyone in the league were 35 and also recovering from achilles injury. The age isn’t so much a factor as is the part where he could potentially miss half the season and not knowing at what level he will be able to perform when he is able to return. Too many variables.

[Toronto16Participant]

There is no way that there are 25 players in the NBA I’d take over Kobe, regardless of age.

[SiggyParticipant]

The track record for NBA players coming back from an achilles tear is not good at all. For Kobe, it’s not just the complete achilles tear that he suffered. Its the mileage + the tear.

[SiggyParticipant]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/27/us-nba-retire-achilles-tear-idUSBRE95Q0ZC20130627
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They found that from 1988 to 2011, 18 National Basketball Association (NBA) players suffered a tendon rupture. Of those, seven athletes never returned to play another game.
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The overall performance of the 11 players who did return to basketball declined after their injury.

Cerynik’s group used a metric called the “player efficiency rating,” which takes into account stats such as an athlete’s points, rebounds, assists and free throw attempts per game.

Following the injury, the eight players who returned for at least two seasons had an average efficiency rating of 11.69 – down more than four points from their pre-injury rating of 16.1.

In comparison, similarly rated basketball players of the same age – who did not suffer an Achilles injury – saw their efficiency rating decline by just over one point.
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[SiggyParticipant]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/27/us-nba-retire-achilles-tear-idUSBRE95Q0ZC20130627
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They found that from 1988 to 2011, 18 National Basketball Association (NBA) players suffered a tendon rupture. Of those, seven athletes never returned to play another game.
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The overall performance of the 11 players who did return to basketball declined after their injury.

Cerynik’s group used a metric called the “player efficiency rating,” which takes into account stats such as an athlete’s points, rebounds, assists and free throw attempts per game.

Following the injury, the eight players who returned for at least two seasons had an average efficiency rating of 11.69 – down more than four points from their pre-injury rating of 16.1.

In comparison, similarly rated basketball players of the same age – who did not suffer an Achilles injury – saw their efficiency rating decline by just over one point.
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[SiggyParticipant]

The track record for NBA players coming back from an achilles tear is not good at all. For Kobe, it’s not just the complete achilles tear that he suffered. Its the mileage + the tear.

[XYRYXParticipant]

That’s the reason why I don’t read most of the espn stuff anymore. More and more it seems like all they do is sharing opinions. There is a fine line between journalism and posting opinions and statements. You can back up a lot of what your personal opinion but to tell only the side one side of the truth that’s in your favor is not really serious journalism with substance.

We all know that Kobe needs to have a lot of luck additionally to his work ethic and incredible motor to ever be relevant again but no one really doubts the 2nd. This list doesn’t mean anything and all they want to do is to get attention for this and to start this discussion about this.

If you have to chose between a 35 year old Kobe and a 25 year old Harden for the next few years it’s pretty clear who to choose but this isn’t the question regarding this top whatever list. It’s just an opionion and I really don’t give a damn who is ranked where.

It’s the same with saying Jordan had the ultimate advantage over Bron cause the three point line was shortened for a few years. Of course this was a gift for MJ and he scored the majority of his points from downtown in this time but this still was just the minority of his points. And if you don’t take the handchecking rules and the traveling isolation plays into conversation it’s such a weak statement to this whole topic.

Espn is all about opinions and not about background information or knowledge let alone facts that it’s not worth seeing it as facts.

[XYRYXParticipant]

That’s the reason why I don’t read most of the espn stuff anymore. More and more it seems like all they do is sharing opinions. There is a fine line between journalism and posting opinions and statements. You can back up a lot of what your personal opinion but to tell only the side one side of the truth that’s in your favor is not really serious journalism with substance.

We all know that Kobe needs to have a lot of luck additionally to his work ethic and incredible motor to ever be relevant again but no one really doubts the 2nd. This list doesn’t mean anything and all they want to do is to get attention for this and to start this discussion about this.

If you have to chose between a 35 year old Kobe and a 25 year old Harden for the next few years it’s pretty clear who to choose but this isn’t the question regarding this top whatever list. It’s just an opionion and I really don’t give a damn who is ranked where.

It’s the same with saying Jordan had the ultimate advantage over Bron cause the three point line was shortened for a few years. Of course this was a gift for MJ and he scored the majority of his points from downtown in this time but this still was just the minority of his points. And if you don’t take the handchecking rules and the traveling isolation plays into conversation it’s such a weak statement to this whole topic.

Espn is all about opinions and not about background information or knowledge let alone facts that it’s not worth seeing it as facts.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Personally, I wish they would’ve ranked him outside of the top 50… More fuel to his fire.

I can understand the concerns about Kobe’s age/miles and the nature of this injury, but I think if ANY player deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to beating something like this… It’s Kobe. His work ethic, will and mental strength are impeccable.

As long as the Achilles has healed 100% and he’s built up the muscle (in BOTH legs), then the rest is all mental. And if it comes down to being a mental hurdle, I think Kobe will be just fine.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Personally, I wish they would’ve ranked him outside of the top 50… More fuel to his fire.

I can understand the concerns about Kobe’s age/miles and the nature of this injury, but I think if ANY player deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to beating something like this… It’s Kobe. His work ethic, will and mental strength are impeccable.

As long as the Achilles has healed 100% and he’s built up the muscle (in BOTH legs), then the rest is all mental. And if it comes down to being a mental hurdle, I think Kobe will be just fine.

[BrentSuriaga01Participant]

That’s why I don’t watch or read anything from ESPN. They are full of crappy journalists who has 0 basketball knowledge. TNT guys (even with Shaq there) has much better basketball knowledge than this punks. Is that right Henry Abbott?

[BrentSuriaga01Participant]

That’s why I don’t watch or read anything from ESPN. They are full of crappy journalists who has 0 basketball knowledge. TNT guys (even with Shaq there) has much better basketball knowledge than this punks. Is that right Henry Abbott?

[EntropyParticipant]

Its not wrong to put kobe at #25, im not saying its right either.

Its there opinion on how Kobe will perform in the upcoming season, and espn panel thinks he won’t perform well. This is not an outrageous claim seeing he is getting older, slower, and is coming off of a serious injury. Furthermore his team is weaker overall so defenses will be even more suffocating on Bryant.

[EntropyParticipant]

Its not wrong to put kobe at #25, im not saying its right either.

Its there opinion on how Kobe will perform in the upcoming season, and espn panel thinks he won’t perform well. This is not an outrageous claim seeing he is getting older, slower, and is coming off of a serious injury. Furthermore his team is weaker overall so defenses will be even more suffocating on Bryant.

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

there number system for it is dumb… they had al horford ranked ahead of wade and deron Williams…

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

there number system for it is dumb… they had al horford ranked ahead of wade and deron Williams…

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