[lisergxParticipant]

 So the Hornets are the lucky winners!  Congrats to them and David Stern for rigging the lottery once again…no but seriously after Katrina, losing Chris Paul and the Bounty thay really neede this.  They have a very good coach and some very good players, best of luck to them

[fliptonnParticipant]

fixed tho for sure. no one would buy the hornets for a while. the current owner was thinking about it but needed a promise in the form of anthony davis to go through with it.

[F_S]

 wow………………………… thats fixed. when stern sold the hornents, he said he would get them 1sr pick

[JordoParticipant]

Poor Charlotte 

[TomShoeParticipant]

 OMG, the Bobcats suck so bad, they can’t even win at losing.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

no but seriously after Katrina, losing Chris Paul and the Bounty thay really neede this.

No. They should get no special treatment. They already cheated their way to a superbowl. I think thats enough

[DondiJohnParticipant]

I was rooting for the Bobcats to win the lottery. Stern gave the 1st pick to Tom Benson as a bonus for buying the Hornets from the NBA. I think the NBA should do something about the Lottery process. Something like the NFL Lottery. Tanking should not be a problem, because the NBA Draft is a big step to improving your team.

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

For most teams you could say the draft lottery is rigged. You can come up with a storyline for most teams.

[butidonthavemoney]

"For most teams you could say the draft lottery is rigged. You can come up with a storyline for most teams."

Wish more people understood this.

[darkman97Participant]

 in the nba one or two star players can change a team quicker than one or two players in the nfl. this is why the worst team getting the automatic first pick in the nba would lead to teams tanking even more than you see currently. not sure what the solution is but how about the number of games you win would be the number of lottery balls you receive? so even that very last game of the year between teams such as the hornets vs bobcats still can mean something.

 

side question… does anyone know if that hornet #1 pick was the one they got from the clippers? if so, I was just discussing this with an UPS driver this afternoon, Minnesota  would finally get the first pick the year they can’t  keep it lol 

[llperez]

There is a thread that had a conspiracy theory for just about every team in the lotto. No matter who won, it was a conspiracy

[F_DA_POParticipant]

@oldskoolbasketball

 

 

I agree… when I got home, for a second I thought the Nets won the pick and I thought wow this is rigged (dwight howard). Then I realized it was the Hornets and immediately thought wow this is rigged again.

 

However, I’m not sure how you can say any of the other top 7 worst teams would be rigged. Pistons, Raptors, Warriors, Kings, Wizards and Cavs I feel would be legit. Maybe Cavs for more LeBron repairs, or maybe Portland to make up for the Greg Oden and Brandon Roy disaster.

[Charlie SheenParticipant]

Teams like Orlando should have just traded D12, Stern is rewarding teams for losing their top guys or giving teams their hometown guys.

Wizards- get John Wall after the Gilbert Arenas debacle

Cavaliers- get Kyrie Irving after the Decision and prior to that get LeBron James the "hometown kid"

Hornets- get Anthony Davis after they have no owner and trade Chris Paul

Bulls- barely have a chance and get Derrick Rose

Honestly regardless of tanking either worst team gets first pick or every team has equal chances at winning the lottery 

[Sewok15Participant]

Lebron to Cleveland was obviously rigged. Drose to Chicago was soo rigged that people didn’t even mention how rigged it was. This year I knew that NO would get the first pick because of how things went down with CP3. Add on the fact that the team was just purchased and it looks very shady.

The NBA doesn’t care because by the time the season starts in October everyone will forget about the lottery and concentrate on whatever other storyline they put together.

[aamir543Participant]

Damn, whatever Tom Benson said to the oweners and Stern, he played with them. I think it went down somthing like this:

Stern:(On his knees pulling at Benson’s cain) Please! I"m begging you! We need you to buy this team!

Benson:Hmm, well you gotta sweeten the deal.

Stern: What about the number 1 and an All-Star Game in 2017?

Benson: No, the number one pick, another top 10 pick, and an All-Star game within the next two years.

Stern:Very well, I guess that’s a deal.(Calling David Kahn) David, sit Kevin Love with"concusion-like symptoms, start Luke Ridnour, and keep Beasley in your starting lineup.(Stern then proceeds to send Kobe a thank you card for pulling one on Rubio, and then calls James Dolan to tell him that they can’t give NY the All-Star game in 2014, telling him some BS about it being too hectic with the Super Bowl and all. He agreed becaue Isiah told him to.)

[Pro 1Participant]

Some more of Stern’s scripted reality tv dry drama Lottery draw drag……..

I see NO drafting ADavis & TWJr.

[uknationParticipant]

Exactly. If the bobcats won people would say Stern wanted Jordan to start winning, if the Wizards won they would say Stern wanted to rebuild the image after the Gilbert arenas thing. These people always are ready to say something is fixed no matter who gets the top pick. Every year you have people say its fixed no matter who gets the top pick and they come up with some sort of reason. Doesn’t matter that it’s a LOTTO which means any team can possibly win no matter how small their chance is as long as they have a ball

[JrbenzCuse23]

Of all the possible "conspiracies" this one was by far the most blatant. Comparing them to the other situations is apples to oranges. Along with the Heat game last night, not a great night for NBA credibility.

[JrbenzCuse23]

Wanna know when lebron gets his first ring? Ask David Stern…with the # of ft’s to date, im saying this year.

[uknationParticipant]

And by the way, the deal for the owner to buy the teams was done April 1st. Almost 2 months before the draft. How come other owners who bought teams before the draft didn’t get the top pick? Hmmmmmmm

[Scott42444Participant]

 …and I don’t think it’s always rigged.  I do feel that it is manipulated on occasion.  This year I thought the Hornets would get #1 because of the "impending" sale.  I was actually surprised that it wasn’t the Hornets other pick that went #1.  That would have given them 2 in the Top 5.. But then the Warriors wouldn’t have had a lotto pick and they are moving to San Francisco in a few years.  Bulls getting Rose seemed fishy and I am a Bulls fan and I loved it.. Is that not the best possible situation for both Rose and  the Bulls that they hot #1 that year?  Of course, there were some people who were actually debating (and. Never understood why) wether the Bulls should take Rose or Beasley.  But, I don’t think Milwaukee getting #1 a few years ago was rigged.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

"For most teams you could say the draft lottery is rigged. You can come up with a storyline for most teams."

While this holds true and I firmly believe that statement, the fact that the MOST consipired team won the lottery is what has people talking.  

A league-owed team that is being sold for an unreasonably high value wins the leagues own lottery? Something doesn’t quite match.

This goes back to the whole "why not televise the actual lottery?".  If they do not have anything to hide, why hide it?

 

[F_S]

 i think that with a lot of teams, it would’ve been a weak conspiracy. 

this is blatantly a fix, to a point where i thought he would never do it because it looks so sketchy.

 

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

They have team reps in where the lottery balls are held. Are you telling me none of them would speak out if they know its rigged? 

[rwd5035Participant]

The process is not rigged in one way. They have a team representative from each team (different from the one on the TV), four media members, the Ernst & Young cat, and the league officials doing the ping pong balls. If it was rigged, then it’s one hell of a conspiracy to keep it quiet.

This is the standard process for the lottery. There is no rig.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Great news for the Hornets getting first shot at Davis and they can get another decent player with their other lottery pick, the team can start to really move forward now.

It was not a total disaster for the Bobcats, they only fell to two andcan take the best from MKG, Drummond, Robinson and Barnes.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

^

Hey, magicians can fool millions of people in the audience when they’re standing 5 feet away from him.  It’s possible that there are only a certain amount of balls with a certain number and a simple algorithm (one of which I woulnd’t be able to create) could boost a teams chances at winning the lottery by 50 or 60%.

It’s called mathematics.

[rwd5035Participant]

@Tongue_Out_Like_23

There are fourteen balls. Numbered 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14. There are 1001 combinations of numbers from this. The Bobcats got 250 of these combinations. Don’t use stupid stuff like "magicians", come on man. The lottery isn’t rigged. Just because New Orleans won it doesn’t mean it’s rigged, just like if Charlotte won it doesn’t mean it would have been rigged.

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/05/30/nba-draft-lottery/

Read that article from Zach Lowe, and you show me how the process is rigged.

[rwd5035Participant]

We know every ball is in there because every ball is in there!!!! If every ball wasn’t in there executives would lose their mind.

There are fourteen balls, and it’s observed by fourteen officials from the fourteen lottery teams. If there was even a hint of the lottery being rigged, there would be an absolute uproar. They have a 3rd party with no league affiliations there to make sure of the accuracy, and validity of the lottery.

It’s not magicians, nor mathematics, nor physics, nor science, you are chasing Casper. The lottery isn’t rigged.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

I’m not using magicians as the basis of my argument.  I’m using mathematics.

How we do know exactly every ball is in there?  How do we know some balls are not heavier than others thus making it more difficult for them to rise when the air pushes them?  How do we know the density of each ball and whether or not they bubble (bounce around) at a higher rate?  Is the material of each ball different so that they stay down more often?  How much air is being pushed for each ball to bounce around?  Are the measurements of some balls bigger so that they are less likely to pop upwards?  

Are there different algorithms being used in order to give some teams a higher chance?  Do you think individuals that win the actual lottery multiple times are just lucky or do they have a higher scientific algorithm that raises their chances by 3 or 5 percent?  

It’s not magicians, it’s mathematics, physics, and science.

Read some scientific algorithm books and tell me how mathematics and science cannot be used to bend the odds.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

So you answered one of my questions.  What about the others?  The density of each ball?  Exact measurements?  Air to push the balls aorund?  Material of every ball?  Algorithms?

Don’t give me a negative and then only answer one of my questions.

Read a book.

[rwd5035Participant]

I’ll neg you because I think your opinion is ridiculous, and I disagree with it. What’s wrong with that? People get negged and plused on this site all the time, what’s the big deal? 

Read a book? Read the article I linked! I’m giving you the process. The 3rd party is checking all of this stuff! You should be asking him.

If the lottery was rigged, and the teams knew this, then why would they participate in it? Because a large majority of NBA fans feel the process is rigged, do you think the teams are completely blind to this? Come on man, think about it.

You are simply just throwing out physics, and science because I can’t possibly disprove it because I wasn’t in the room. It’s a lot harder to disprove something 100% of the time than it is to prove something on one occassion. I’m giving you an article of a person who was in the room, and writes about the process, and the methods the NBA uses to ensure a fair, and valid process.

If you want to believe in the contrary, that’s your choice, I can’t convince you. The teams believe it’s a valid process, so why do you think it is invalid? It seems you want to believe the conspiracy, more than consider the fact that New Orleans was the lucky team who won the lottery in the Anthony Davis year.

[uknationParticipant]

So let’s see. (from espn)If the nets got it then conspiracy people would say they rigged it so Howard can go to the nets, bobcats help Jordan, Detroit has a new owner and they are struggling,phoenix to help Nash. People forget the Hornets had TWO balls in the lotto. Not one but TWO. I’m guessing that these same people don’t realize that the NBA has media members in the drawing room (yeah all those media guys would hold back the biggest story in sports history) and the fact they would get hit with a bunch of lawsuits.

The more you think about it the dumber the conspiracy people look

[uknationParticipant]

Basically the only way to know for sure is to go to e factory where the balls are made and watch them create the balls from scratch to make sure ey are all of equal weight,etc and watch as the paint the teams name on the balls

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