[jaysmith1987Participant]

 I have to say Danny Ainge is a brilliant gm.  He knows that while markelle fultz is a really good player that he didn’t fit the team and this draft has very little separating the top 6 prospects.  Most of the pics are based on team fit. I believe they made the move because they believe while this class has more depth next year Michael porter jr is better than any player in this class.  So the way the trade was written if the lakers pick falls in 2-5 range they get the kings pick. It is a high probability the kings finish with the worst record next year. Give the celtics Josh Jackson as a hard nosed defender or jayson Tatum as a Paul pierce type player then possibly get Porter jr Bamba or Ayton.  That leaves you with an extremely talented team with the young players to keep Boston winning and take over the east once lebron leaves or starts to age.  The only threat to celtics in the future is the wizards but with there decisions to keep trading picks for rotation players they might not be able to hang. 

[Roland209Participant]

 If Lakers pick is not 2-5.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

 This means that it is possible for celtics to get first and second pick wow.  They still have the nets pick next year I believe.

[joe2324Participant]

its possible they could get Deandre Ayton and Michael Porter. Can you imagine a frontcourt of Deandre Ayton, Porter and Josh Jackson? Thomas can run around scoring 25 a night and get away with playing no defense. Ainge is making people look foolish. 

[jaysmith1987Participant]

All for markelle fultz philly needed a scorer the issue is they have real injury problems and no one on the team has the winning mentality.  Also there talking super team  and embed has not played a whole season  and Ben Simmons hasn’t played in the league.  They got trigger happy thinking they are closer than they really are.

[FullCourtPressParticipant]

 Markelle had a losing season with Washington, as he was the only player on the team with real potential. Check his numbers??? Every teams defensive schemes were centered around shutting him down, but he was still highly efficient.

Boston will be praying he doesn’t hit his ceiling because he’ll be giving the Celtics nightmares for a decade.

Danny’s a great GM but his draft record hasnt been that great imo.

Boston should of kept there pick because Markelle is gonna be a star, and IT isn’t gonna win you title as your point. And IT contract is up soon does Boston really want to max out a 5 10 point guard who is a liability on defence??

And for Simmons LSU went 19-14 in his lone season for LSU which is not great but still not a losing season. In high school, check the amount of games he lost in 3 seasons, its a small number lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[holefillers1Participant]

 "No one on the team has the winning mentality" …dude, you can’t even spell Embiid.  I’m calling you a Salty Celtics fan and a troll.   Good day sir

[joe2324Participant]

They’re trading down 2 spots to get the best player in the draft in Josh Jackson.  If the lakers take Josh Jackson, oh well, they get Dennis Smith Jr? Ok, that will work as well. On top of that, they get an extra top draft pick. Genius. In order for this trade to work for Philly, Fultz has to come out like the next Dwayne Wade which I doubt is going to happen

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 So what do the Celtics get?  Only ONE of the Lakers 2018 or Sacto 2019 picks???

The Celtics should try to get more assets… They could use Okafor as a low post scorer off the bench.  And, maybe some of those Philly second rounders.  They can use them for another draft night deal, OR get guys to stash overseas as future bargaining chips…

Not sure this moves the needle as much as Celtics homers think.  Josh Jackson gets most of those Jaylen Brown minutes… If JJ is one of the new GUYS then they probably don’t resign Avery Bradley… 

Who knows???

If the Cavs can get Paul George and only give up Kevin Love, then I can see them making some smaller deals or spending some money on extra free agents.

I will take the Cavs’ BIG FOUR of Kyrie, LeBron, George, and TT over anybody’s except for the Warriors.  AND, the Cavs have more overall size on the wings (LBJ/PJ vs. Klay/KD).  TT is a better rebounder than Draymond Green (although not nearly the playmaker and scorer), and Kyrie Irving is even better with the ball and better at crafty scoring moves.  Well-rounded 5-8 options, too, with JR Smith, Shump, Channing Frye, and possibly a resigned Kyle Korver.  Richard Jefferson is better than Matt Barnes not much worse than Iggy… 

The C’s have IT and a lot of glorified role players.  They need AT LEAST two of Smart, Jackson, and Brown to really pan out… maybe ALL THREE.

What this REALLY means is that they Celtics are going ALL IN on Isaiah Thomas aka a 5’9 point guard who was injured at the end of the playoffs… 

I don’t think I like this trade… 

We KNOW that IT and AB is kinda too small at the guard spots.  BUT, AB and Smart give the Celtics some toughness, more size and defense, and helped steal a game from the Cavs in the ECF.

SO, you would start IT and Fultz, with Bradley and Smart as your backcourt duo.

Jaylen Brown gets more minutes at small forward.  Jae Crowder plays the 3 and some small ball 4.

They package those second rounders to move up to get a better big man…

They could probably trade a couple of them plus some cash (and a future 2nd rounder) for 20 and 26.

This C’s trade means that they are KINDA competing now with the Warriors and Cavs (fall behind a bit more even if the Cavs get Paul George and help shore up their backup point guard spot — everywhere else it would look like they are set.  Spurs still a sleeper team to win the title), and KINDA competing for a future run with the likes of the Sixers, Lakers, and a T Wolves squad with some good young guys and the Bucks who have the Freak/Jabari/Brogdon/Thon core.

To borrow from a Bill Simmons analogy, the Warriors have four $1 dollar bills.

The Celtics (Present and Future) have 16 quarters…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nill650Participant]

PG13 agent anouncing he is not resigning in Indy seems awful coincidental timing right after news of 1 to Philly doesn’t it…Boston will get PG13 either with the futures from Philly or the 3rd this year along with 2 of Bradley,Smart, Crowder & Brown.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Or, Paul George goes to the Cavs, basically straight up for Kevin Love.  The Cavs then have a more well-rounded BIG THREE, a BIG FOUR if you include TT as their rebounder/inside defense guy… and then they will look to shore up the backup point guard spot.

BAD for the Celtics.  This Cavs/PG deal would put a little more distance between them and the C’s — at least next year.

Then after next year, Avery Bradley will wanna get PAID.  Horford will be another year older.  IT will be another year older and still 5’9.

I think this could blow up in Danny Boy’s face…

If you REALLY think this draft is THAT LOADED then trade the top pick, Rozier, and your second rounders, for 5, 10, 34, Ben McLemore, and Willie Cauley-Stein.

IT and AB is still your undersized backcourt with Smart and McLemore off the bench.  If you like the small backcourt look you can go with Dennis Smith, Jr. at 5.  OR, Malik Monk as your high octane scorer at the 2…  Jonathan Isaac would be an UPSIDE guy at 5.  You hope he is the next KD or at least a Rashard Lewis type… at 10 you take either Markannen, Zach Collins, or a guy who is rising up the boards like Luke Kennard.  

If this draft is so LOADED then why do they trade DOWN?  Why don’t they add ANOTHER top 5-10 pick?  

The nbadraft.net tweet on the side panel sums it up: Hate to be a buzzkill, but this draft is only deep from 5-10 not all throughout the draft… 

I have been saying that…

I would ALSO add that there is NO Shaq/LeBron/Tim Duncan/Hakeem at 1.  NOR a Kevin Durant at 2. It doesn’t have a Michael Jordan at 3 either…

Then there is a drop off from 3 to 4.

Trader (TRAITOR?) Danny shoulda done…

1st pick to Philly for 3, Okafor, Robert Covington (probably THE guy they need as a very solid 3 and D small forward), a future 1st rounder, 36, 39, and 46.  Then trade 3 and Okafor to Sacto for 5, 10, 34 Papagiannis, and Ben McLemore.

Finally, trade 34, 36, 39, Rozier, cash, and a future 2nd round pick to Portland for 15, 20, and 26.

Then Trader Danny has FIVE FIRST ROUND PICKS: 5, 10, 15, 20, and 26. Plus you have Robert Covington, an ideal 3 and D guy at small forward who can also play some 4, and Papagiannis who gives you depth at center on a rookie deal.  Ben McLemore MIGHT have some upside.  If so, he can give you some shooting, some scoring, and some athleticism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BallerScriptParticipant]

The forum can always trust memphis madness to come up with jam packed trade ideas like this

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 I don’t know, I agree with you on a few things. but here’s what I see happening in the future:

The Lakers pick is protected, meaning that if it is 2-5 next year it goes to the Celtics. If its below 5, it stays with the Lakers. If the Lakers are smart and go with Ball as their PG, then things could change drastically for them. This moves Russell to his more natural 2 position, so he automatically gets better. The Lakers get there PG that helps everybody get better. They already have a Center that is coming into his own in Zubac, and they have a SF who only will get better with a true PG running the show that’s exactly what Ball is. So if the Lakers are smart and grab Ball at 2 (which is very likely) then they can easily finish with a pick after 5, meaning Boston does not get a top 5 pick and they lose it, going back to the Lakers.

So lets go to the Kings pick in 2019. Kings need a better PG, PF, and SF. (I don’t think Skal is going to cut it in the future and this draft is much deeper than last year so I think its possible you could find a better PF than Skal amd if that’s true you have to take it.) Kings have a very real chance to get either Smith or Fox (I’m thinking Fox) Both would be a good fit and we already know they love Fox next to Heild, but Smith isn’t a bad fit either. They have two picks this year in the top 10, so they could easily fill 2 of their 3 needs. The SF field isn’t that deep this year, as it is incredibly thin after Tatum and Josh Jackson. Tatum isn’t likely to slip to 10 but if they grab him at 5, they risk not having a PG available at 10, because mostly all the teams between 6 and 10 are all looking at PG’s. So if they take the risk and grab their SF at 5(Tatum) then at 10, lets say all top lottery PG’s are gone (a very likely possibility) they have to fill up their PF spot instead of PG so they taake Markannen which means they have to wait to find their PG in 2018. Right now there is only one PG projected to go in next year’s the lottery (Sexton) but that’s if they finish there. Collison isn’t bad of a PG and he is willing to stay so its not exactly certain that you will get Sexton. Which means you are left with Jrue’s little brother Aaron, Duval, or Thornton. All are projected right now to be mid first round picks (with the exception of Thornton who is right now in the 2nd round, but I expect that to change since USC is looking really good next year.) Can you really expect the Kings to suck enough to get Sexton with a not so bad PG in Collison. So you grab Aaron, Duval or Thornton but run the risk of not having that good of a PG.

So lets switch gears and see what could happen if the Kings select a PG at 5 (Fox) then they can still grab Markannen at 10 since both Jackson and Tatum will likely be gone at 10. Meaning that the Kings wait until next year to grab their SF. Gay is leaving this offseason so the Kings are definetly going to suck at SF next year. Even if they fill up with good talent at the other four positions, SF is very deep in this league so if you don’t have good talent you are really going to suffer. (SF and PG I think are the two deepest positions in the league and its very close to me) So the Kings still suck next year giving them a good shot at Porter, Doncic, Knox, or Vanderbilt. Well that is significantly deeper than this year’s SF class. So maybe the Kings are better off to wait to fill their SF spot.

If this is what the Kings end up doing then by the time the Kings pick goes to the Celtics in 2019 the Kings could have a possible starting 5 of Fox, Heild, Porter or Doncic, Markannen, WCS with very good backups in Collison, McLemore, Skal, Pappagiannis, and by this time they might even have a good backup 3 too. This means that the Kings pick in 2019 will probably not be as good as Celtics fans are hoping. It will probably end up being after the lottery. 

So in this scenario it would probably be better if Ainge uses the picks he has acquired to get an already established piece to add to a playoff team, thus forming his own big 3. (This is assuming that Ainge waits until 2018 or 2019 to add that player. (I’m thinking Anthony Davis) Then you have a big 3 of Horford, Jackson, and Davis. Now there is something that I think Celtics fans would be really happy about. I think Ainge is hoping to do this in the future. The problem with that is, is that you know that Jackson has a hitch in his shot and might not ever develop that shot without good training and many hours in the gym. And by 2019 Horford will be old and possibly washed up ready to soon retire. Which means that the Celtics would be wise to use their Nets pick next year on a player that would work well with Anthony Davis assuming that you can grab him from the Pelicans after he is tired of loosing with Cousins (Ayton ot Bamba, I’m thinking Ayton) Which still isn’t a bad consolation prize for a big 3 of AD, Ayton, and Jackson. 

Man that’s a lot of what ifs. I sure hope Ainge knows what he is doing or this trade down to get Jackson could look really bad. We will have to see what he can haul in by 2019. The rumors are that he cashes in those acquired picks now to get Butler or Paul George. If he does that though you would only have a big 2 of Butler or George and Horford. By 2019 one is washed up and you have no hope of finding that big 3 as you have already traded away your draft picks to get George or Butler. Doesn’t sound like a good idea to me. Better to wait it out and possibly get Davis. Then you run the risk of hoping that all things fall into place. Again I sure hope Ainge doesnt get impatient and plays it safe waiting until 2018 or 2019 to cash in on that haul of draft picks that he has.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 The Lakers pick will go to either Boston or 76ers ( unless it is traded again)   Lakers cant keep it next year

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 If Paul George goes to the Lakers THIS OFFSEASON and if Lonzo is as good as advertised then the Lakers pick will be closer to 15 than 7 or 8.

If the Lakers get lucky AGAIN at either 2 or 3, then IF this draft is as good as advertised, the Kings get two really good players to go with Hield, WCS, and Skal.  So, maybe that pick is in the 10-15 range in a couple of years.  Not really a HAUL.

Trader Danny is playing with FIRE.

If Boston doesn’t think Fultz is a good fit, then Josh Jackson might be LESS of a good fit.  Fultz is a bigger, athletic combo guard who can play with IT or Bradley or Smart.  With Fultz you can do some 3 guard lineups, too. 

Unless they really think that Josh Jackson will be a STUD.  

Otherwise their YOUNG TRIO of Smart, Jackson, and Brown can’t really shoot yet.  Solid, not All Star level (at least with Smart and Brown).  

Jackson doesn’t help bridge the WIN NOW gap with IT, Bradley, Horford, and Olynyk.

I bet the Lakers and Philly come out better.  Sacto should do well too, with 5 and 10.  

I think those are your 3 top teams coming out of this draft.

Now, if PG13 becomes a one year rental in BELIEVELAND then Cavs have a great draft night.  They are right back in the title hunt, and help close the gap a little bit with the Warriors.

Then the Celtics fall more behind the Warriors and Cavs as WIN NOW CONTENDERS (don’t forget that the Spurs might add Chris Paul…).  I also think that the Kings, Lakers, and Sixers have a more impactful draft.  They are in WIN TOMORROW mode.  

The Sixers get their BIG FOUR: Simmons, Embiid, Fultz, and Saric.  Robert Covington can be that fifth guy who is a 3 and D small forward with good size who can also play the 4.  Okafor is a good low post scorer off the bench or a trade chip.  TJ McConnell is an IDEAL backup point guard… Justin Anderson is an extra 3 and D guy at the 2. Richaun Holmes is either their 4th big right now, OR he moves up to the third big man spot.  Plus they have a few second rounders in a draft where it looks like you can add some solid utility guys late…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[thetrademachineryParticipant]

Well, at the very least celtics will have the best assets once A.Davis decides to leave NO. 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Jaylen Brown was the only addition besides Horford and he played a lot for a veteran team. He was never outnof the rotation. He averaged double figures when AB was out for a while. Brown shoots 44 from corner threes, He is a STUD. Adding Jackson improves the D and give James another athelete to contend with along with Brown.

[I am an idiotParticipant]

Since either Jackson or Tatum should be around at 5, do you see the Kings and Celtics making a swap of picks? If so, what do the Kings give up to move up and lock down Fox or Ball? 

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