[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

From an article by Jason Quick on oregonlive.com

“It’s all publicity and hype,’’ Miller said. “The league don’t appreciate the blue collar workers. They don’t appreciate that. They make their money off the high-flyers … That’s a slap in the face to LA.’’

“They are putting this guy on every ESPN highlight. Yeah, it’s cool because fans want to see that, but you isolate him from his team,’’ Miller said. “Especially … he ain’t made nobody better. It’s basically his rookie year, as an All-Star? LeBron James didn’t make an All-Star team as a rookie.’’
 
“LA was supposed to make it. He was supposed to make it,’’ Miller continued. “We have a better record than those guys (the 19-29 Clippers), and LA is putting up just as good numbers. Now, you are not going to see a lot of highlights —  Blake Griffin highlights and stuff like that — but they are giving these young guys too much respect. Too much respect to the young guys. It’s good for him personally; I’m not no hater. But I am biased toward my teammate. No. 1, we have better record, and No. 2, (Aldridge) is just as good and he has paid his dues.’’

 

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

I wasn’t aware Blake Griffin wasn’t a blue collar hard worker.  Hmm.. must have slipped by me.

 

Andre Miller is just hating on him because of that little thing they had when Miller was suspended and broke his active streak of games played.  I don’t think it’s hatred.  Jealousy would be the word.

[BigDParticipant]

He does have a little bit of a point, LA does have his team at a better record than the Clippers, but they are also a better team, just without Roy, their leader. He’s stepped up to fill the no.1 option, he shut down Blake Griffin for the most part when he played him, and then went on to score 40 on the Spurs, he should have been an All-Star

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Last 20 games

LAC: 12-8

Portland: 11-9

[llperez]

miller is entitled to his opinion and he makes some valid points, but at the end of the day blake wasnt voted in by espn or fans, he was voted in by coaches and i think he is deserving.

[Wavy BagelsParticipant]

andre miller read my mind…blake is an incredible athlete and will be an all time great when it’s all said and done, but he doesn’t deserve to be an all star. he’s in the dunk contest, the rookie sophmore game, and now the the all star game? a little too much superstar treatment for somebody who’s played only one season so far.

[Quincey Hodges]

I see where he is coming from though. The Clippers are not any better then they have been int he past and are still one of the worst teams in the league, while L.A has lead a mash unit team to a respectable record and at this time a spot in the playoffs. Blake is not just a highlight guy though he is a good player but he’s right in the fact that he is up there because of his highlights and the fact that he is a athlete. If he wasn’t then he would have been in the same boat that zach randolph had been in before playing for the Grizz

[BigDParticipant]

I not saying Griffin shouldn’t have been an All-Star, because he should, i’m not denying that. But LA should have been in there, hopefully he still makes it as the replacement. Miller is probably thinking the same as i was, you shut down an all-star calibre player, then score 40 on tim duncan, and i think most people wouldv’e thought that would have been his all-star statement

[Quincey Hodges]

You dont go by last 20 or first 20 games though. Its uppossed to be what you have done for the whole first half of the season

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

How can you watch LAC and say they aren’t playing any better than in the past? 

Their 19-29 record doesn’t really say how good they’ve been playing since they did start 1-13 (injuries to Davis and Kaman, starting three rookies and two third year players).

They’ve gone 18-16 since then though.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Well, if that’s the case… Pau Gasol shouldn’t be an All-Star.

He’s been terrible since his hot start.

[Quincey Hodges]

You dont pick a Allstar by what they have done recently you go by what they have done for the whole season. every team gets hurt (no one more than the Blazers) thats part of the game. The season is full of runs they may win 5 straight then lose 7 straight. Some one can say "well they started 1-13 so he shouldnt make it but they would be just as wrong. You take the whole season up to this point not just the parts that are good or bad

 

The next four teams they play against are playoff teams. if they lose all of them then they will have a 2-7 record in the past 9 games and if someone said he shouldn’t make it because of that would be wrong as well since they only take the same sample that proves there point if why he shouldn’t make it

[Quincey Hodges]

But his team has a winning record. Thats nothing liek the clippers who have a overall bad record. like i said overall

[Quincey Hodges]

it would be the same case for gasol if the lakers were one of the worst teams in the NBa like the clippers. no one is exempt if the team is a losing team

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

So let me get this straight… All of Gasol’s weak (literally) efforts since his hot start are excused because he’s on a winning team lol?

[I NO NOTHINGParticipant]

andre miller should ask nate mcmillian who he voted for hahaha

[durantula83Participant]

Monta Ellis, Kevin Love, Zach Randolph, Carlos Boozer, Steve Nash all should have been All-Stars also but they’re not. There are simply too many great players in the league to go around so there are always great guys that are left out. Maybe they should play a second game, the All-Star 2nd Teams.

About Griffin, he deserved EVERY bit of his selection, he was out for an entire year and came back better than ever! This young guy works his ass off and does make his team better, he’s every bit as blue collar and hardworking as the next guy, only Griffin can jump about 10 inches higher than the next guy and uses this to his advantage.

[Quincey Hodges]

no its not excused but he is clearly better then Blake. all of Blakes numbers have not lead to the Clippers being better then thery have ever been. they are still at the bottom and are not gonna make the playoffs. Theres a difference in putting up very good numbers but you’re team isn’t any better while putting up good numbers an you’re team is  not only a playoff team but in the title hunt. Big difference

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

And when did Lamarcus Aldridge become a blue collar worker? 

I watch Griffin play and he’s a blue collar worker in my opinion.

[Quincey Hodges]

And no one would be so supportive of Blake if he wasn’t a high flyier. when ZZach was putting up similar numbers but not dunking all over people no one was screaming he better be ont he Allstar team.

 

If Love was Dunking on people he would be getting the same backing but he isn’t because he’s not a high flyier, even though he is doing something that hasn’t been done in our life time

[Quincey Hodges]

I’m not debating if Blake is a blue collor worker because he is easily. Thats the part where Andre got it wrong. and if we are questioning Gasol( whis is really unquestionable, i mean really) why not question why kobe is on the team (lets say if he wasn’t voted in) over monte

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

You said making the All-Star team is about the entire first half of the season…

Well Gasol wasn’t very good during Dec. and Jan. He hasn’t been the best big man on his own team. Lamar Odom has.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Gasol’s numbers weren’t much better than Tim Duncan’s during Dec and Jan.

[Quincey Hodges]

Thats two months. Like i said its about the entire half of the season not just this or that month. Its all the games you have played averaged out. All you’re teams wins and all you’re teams loses. i like Odom as much as the next guy but if there had to be a pick between who stays and who goes it would be Odom. Theres a reason Gasol isn’t the one coming off the bench and its not the Jason Terry reason. There is a reason Gasol is considered the one of the Best big men in the league and why you wont find one person who will debate about if he should or should not be on the AllStar team.

 

Like i said before if Blake wasn’t a highlight film he would not be on this Allstar team everyone knows that because others have put up numbers ona  losing team before.

Personally i rather see him because of the same reason everyone else wants him there, not because of his rebounding or scoring, because of his excitment and dunks.

[Quincey Hodges]

Clippers fans don’t seem to remember that they were one game ahead of where they are this year, last year or that they also at one point was 18-14. Yes exciment has changed which is good, it sells tickets but they still havn’t improved where it counts (win totals)

 

And the NBA isn’t gonna say " well this team won more games then any other team int he month of may so lets put them in the playoffs" they take the whole season into account and they don’t give them a pass for having injuries because thats part of the game and teams have to adjust to that

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

IF Griffin was just an average athlete, I still think he’d have made the team.

I don’t think it’s just his dunks. It’s the fact that he goes hard almost every possession. It’s the fact that he’s only had a handfull of bad games so far this season. It’s the fact he’s ranked number one in the NBA in points, rebounds and assists combined. He’s not just an athlete… He knows how to play basketball.

The dude does make his teammates better and even if he wasn’t a freak athlete, I think the energy/passion he plays with would still get the attention of the league.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

The Clippers also didn’t start last year with key players injured, which resulted in a 1-13 record.

[Quincey Hodges]

If he wasn’t a human highlight there wouldnt be as much talk and he wouldnt have made the team Ala Zach Randolph before him and Kevin Love.if his teammates where better they would win more games. This Clippers team is no more better then other Clippers teams. The win lost record proves that. Those numbers do not lie

 

 

[Quincey Hodges]

Everyone deals with injuries thats no excuse for any team. the Clippers are no exception. I dont think any team had more injuries or key injuries then Portland yet they still win

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

New coach. New players. You can’t ignore injuries to key players literally right at the beginning of the season that resulted in young inexperienced players being thrown into the starting linuep. You can’t ignore the impact that, that had.

And I don’t know why you keep bringing up Randolph. He’s never been the unselfish player that Griffin is. He’s never read double and triple teams like Griffin. He’s never passed the ball like Griffin. All Randolph did before the Grizzlies was go hard after offensive rebounds and try to get his 20 and 10.

[Quincey Hodges]

Like i said before i can see where he is coming from. But having a new coach or injuries is no excuse because it happens to alot of teams. Thats part of the game. So no one has any right to use that as an excuse because thats exactly what it is. Just liek Doc Rivers using the Kendrick perkins as a excuse. If Kobe gets hurt i wouldnt use that as an excuse because injuries is part of the game. If the lakers don’t win because Phil isn’t there thats not a excuse and no one is gonna take pity.Thats part of the game. Plenty of teams have had new players new coach and injuries but they still won more than 19 games up to this point in the season.

I’m sure clipper fans will come up with even more excuses if they start losing again liek they do every year after going on a winning streak

[Quincey Hodges]

Like i said i can see both sides but its not like Miller doesn’t have a point because he does

[B EazyParticipant]

 Last I checked the all-star roster is not an MVP contest. Who gives an eff about the team record? They are ALL-STARS not mvps….chill

[raybeasParticipant]

Its as simple as that. Just because his teammates are better does not mean he should be an All-Star.

[OhCanada-Participant]

I agree 100% with Miller, but at the same time he should shutup because those same fans pay his bills. His very very expensive bills. Shutup Miller.

[Afactor4Participant]

Fuck Andre Miller. We traded away a high flier that was an immense favorite with Clipper nation, for that prick who had just came off a season where he averaged 10 assists, but he was awful and set our franchise back a few years. He left after one year so we basically traded away Darius Miles for nothing. 

But since when was Blake Griffin NOT a blue collar hard worker? What an idiot.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Griffin is a hard worker but he hasnt put in the same amount of work Aldridge has. I mean sure you here about all the work Griffin has put in, and you see how great his stats are on his below 500 team but Aldridge makes his team win, without Roy. He has taken huge strides in his game and really improved all around this year to lead his team, and so far has a playoff position. Cant say that about Griffin.

Either way I cant really say anything about Griffins unvalidation for an apperance. He is the most exciting player in the game, hard worker, ROY candidate (the only one), and a great kid. Clippers actaully won their fair share of games lately too.

[Forte IVParticipant]

people dont realize that the clippers have beaten some very good bball sqauds. they blew out the thunder, beat the lakers, beat the heat, beat the spurs, etc.

[RicoParticipant]

I laugh everytime people start their argument "If Blake didn’t have so many dunks…"

You can’t take the dunks away just like that.  It is part of his game, part of the reason people want to see him play in the all-star game.  The all-star game is a showcase of the league’s most talented players, and right now Griffin is one of probably top three most exciting players to watch in the game.  Saying "If Blake does not dunk" is like saying "If Love was 6’3" he wouldn’t have so many rebounds."

Anyway, on the Clippers 1-13 start.  I think it had less to do with injuries and more to do with inexperience.  Back then Blake wasn’t the Blake we see today.  But as Blake has gotten more comfortable the team has been better.  And I’d say right now the Clippers are playing just as good as Portland.

[Quincey Hodges]

too bad the Nba goes by how you do against the Whole NBA and not just beating good teams. the Clippers are now 19-30 by the way, The clippers are now a game or two behind where they were last season at this point. looks like they are going backwards. Oh yeah Golden state is two games ahead of the clippers so how about we talk about them more

[BigDParticipant]

What’s with the hate on Blake Griffin Quincey?

How can you deny he is one of the better PF’s in the game already and getting better with every game?

[Quincey Hodges]

Not denying just saying That Miller has a point. Its not like miller is making all that up and none of it has any truth to it

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

Also, for the record, LA is NOT "putting up just as good numbers".

Griffin: 22.9 PPG, 12.7 RPG, 3.6 APG on 51.7 FG%. 41 double doubles in 49 games.

Aldridge: 21.2 PPG, 9.1 RPG, 2.0 APG on 48.5 FG%. 24 double doubles in 50 games.

Miller needs to recheck his math.

[mgreener_34Participant]

"No. 2, (Aldridge) is just as good "

Miller said it himself. Blake is already equal/better then a top tier power forward who’s been in the NBA for 5 years. 

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