Best team in the East?

Shaq is a cav though?

Boston is the best team to me.

Rondo (Top PG in the East,Leader and a Contract Year)
Allen (Contract Year, will be shooting the lights out)
Pierce (Coming Back Strong)
Garnett ( The Injury was good for him, gave him time off to reboot and heal up)
Perkins (Best Defensive Center in the East)

Wallace, Davis, Allen, Walker, Giddens and Hudson off the bench.

I see them winning the title this year.

1-Celtics
2-Magic
3-Cavs

but it is very close between them.

im not saying theyre necessarily the best team but the celtics also have Marquis Daniels dont forget

The Celtics are the best,

They will win a title, they are great at every position
Rondo
Allen
Pierce
Garnett
Perkins

Dont forget they have a good bench lead by Rasheed and Big Baby.
I see Hudson being a very good backup, and likely a starter in his future, but the backup is where he needs to be right now.
Giddens, Allen and Walker are all good young players as well.
I see championship.

i agree 100% with QHaynes

I feel it’s best if Wallace does not start, keep him on the bench and have him earn PT to win a title.

He can also win 6h man of the year.

let’s settle it. Lakers were missing two starters in ’08. Celtics were missing KG last year. This year, the rivalry continues.

since when is Rondo a leader? unless you call playing dirty a leader? besides if you didnt notice the big three are really the leaders of that team and their leading him.

….you just dont like Rondo.

Rondo is the only reason why the Celtics are in the running for a title, without they cannot win. Stop hating on him

how come they won it the year he wasnt that good?

the wizardz my baby brother team

gil
foye
caron
jamison
haywood

they have pretty good lookin bench Stevenson and young and miller and mcgee also mr blacthe

watch that final series again…he was good against the lakers. Man you really hate rondo.

actually i like him its just crazy to call hima leader and the best point guard in the east before hes more than a fourth option and doesnt have the best team in the league surruonding him.

I agree the wiz are a threat. they go twelve deep, and if Arenas returns to form, they can beat anyone in a 7 game series. But clearly the magic, Celtics, and cavs are the 3 frontrunners in the east.

Rondo will be an all star this year, and is a possible 3rd teamer.

i know he might be one but until hes eve been to the all-Star you cant call him the best point guard in the east.

Well, IMO he will compete with Harris, Arenas, and Rose as the best PG in the East this year,

Sleepers are Stuckey, Ford and Sessions if he signs with the Knicks.
I expect all 3 to breakout this year.

but there team has players ready 2 step up foye 4 one and im hearing that gil back 2 his old self nick young should take a big step in production be like a jr off the bench everyone is in good health there is no denying them what so ever

i think Rose, and Harris are both ahead of him and as number one options will put up much bigger numbers than him.but the third spot is open i think its between Arenas, Calderon, Rondo, Williams, and Nelson he has a chance f getting that spot but i think Arenas is the favorite if healthy.

Harris may be ahead of him, but Rose is not yet.
Rose is only in his 2nd year, and there is nothing that he has done to prove he is better than Rondo.
Rondo torched him in the 1st round of the playoffs last year. But with a big season this year, he could be it.

As of now, the East Pg looks like this IMO:

1. Harris
2. Rondo
3. Rose
4. Arenas
5. Nelson
6. Ford
7. Calderon
8. Williams

Sessions isnt a for sure East player, and Stuckey hasnt broken out yet, but they are the next 2.

Rondo and Harris could be interchangible, as are Arenas and Rose.
Tell me if i missed anyone, but this looks good to me.

put Rose second he didnt get completly torched he scored 36 points once and even if he isnt as good as Rondo his numbers will be better because hes the number one option on that team and will get more shots personnaly i think hes overrall a better player than Rondo but thats debatable.

He may put up better numbers but Rondo will put up great numbers on a championship team. Chicago as of right now will be no better than a 6 seed, and IMO may no be in the playoffs.
Rose will put up good numbers, and is a great PG in the future, but i think Rondo is better right now.

this is a debate about who will make the All-Star game and i can garuntee the fans will vote for a 20+ scorer (Rose) over a 12 points a game scorer (Rondo).

Actually, the fans will vote for Dwayne Wade
Neither Rondo or Rose will be voted in, I agree that Rose will get more votes, but not enough.
I feel that Harris and Rondo will be the reserve PG.

i dont get it? you say that Rose will get more votes but say Rondo will make he team?

The fans dont vote for the reserves, i feel that Rose is probably a more popular player than Rondo, therefore getting him more votes, Yi Jianlian usually comes top 5 in voting because hes so popular, but that doesnt make him a reserve. I think the coaches will realize that it should be Rondo in the all star game.

id actually take Arenas i think hes the best point guard in the East if healthy.

I think that Arenas may be the starter this year.

heres my list.
1. Harris
2. Arenas
3. Rose
4. Rondo
5. Nelson
6. Williams
7. Calderon
8. Ford

I feel that the top 4 could be interchangable, because they are so close, and i would take any of them on my team definetly, and everyone has opinions, but i think those are the top 4 on everyones list. Then i think Nelson is the definate 5th. And the last 3 can all be interchangable as well. But those are definetly the top 8 in the East IMO, until Stuckey and Sessions breakout.

cleveland lakers
boston nuggets
orlando spurs
philly dallas
washington utah
atlanta portland
detroit golden state
chicago phoenix
toronto new orleans
miami clippers
indiana okc
n.y. minnesota
charlotte memphis
new jersey sacramento
milwaukee houston

You are sleeping on New Orleans way too much .
They are top 5 at worst IMO .

top 5 no way bench is so wack, peja is done no one can shoot off the dribble

ford is better nelson calderon rondo

im considering that Nelson is better than Rondo i think Nelson would be a beast if he got more shots and hes already a All-Star as their third option.

Jameer Nelson is not better than Rajon Rondo, give me a break…He can shoot better but nothing else. And Devin Harris is NOT the best PG in the East. You guys are sleeping on Arenas and not giving Rondo enough credit. He is a great player, and I think he is the best PG in the East, All-Star game or not. He is a leader, he may not be that outspoken but he has the keys to the Celtics offense, and runs it to near perfection. He isnt just a caretaker anymore, and for the amount of times he attacks the basket and looks for teammates he is super duper efficient and rarely turns the ball over. A jump shot could make him one of the best players in the NBA, regardless of position. Even without one, he’s still one of the better players.

if were talking effincy Calderon wins.

and also Arenas is a much better leader just look at all the game winners hes not afraid to take the last shot and will make it alot, Rondo isnt tht person for the Celtics its Pierce, and Allen and even Big Baby or House.

Calderon isnt as good a defender, slasher, or rebounder as Rondo. He also doesnt take over games or make as many plays as Rondo does.

also about the jumpshot its nearly impossible to get a good jumpshot when you have hands as big as he doesthats the reason Shaq is such a horrible shooter, it helps him in some areas of his game but really hurts his shooting.

Calderon isnt a great defender, and isnt as good at slashing or rebounding as Rondo, and is also much less athletic. But if Rondo had Jose’s jumper (Which did used to be horrible, but it was improved, which is what Rondo needs to do) Rondo would be one of the best PG and players in the NBA.

what makes Rondo a good rebounder and defender is his huge hands which can hold on to the ball and help him on defense, but hurts his shooting, so its a win win lose situatin.

Its probably not nearly impossible, but it would be hard. Im sure a good bit of the players in the NBA have huge hands and are good shooters.

not as big as he does, his are like almost Shaq size.

Rondo may be the best pg in the east for now, but the dude is a punk. He is a dirty player and a little pussy. I would not build my team around that arrogant fool unless his attitude and dirty play disappears.

that what ive tried to tell them.

You didn’t put Rondo as the top pg in the east though you had him like 4th. I think Harris is close and Rose will pass him but for now it is his, he is still a little b*tch though.

no way hes better than Arenas though.

Arenas really shouldn’t be considered a pg, ala Iverson with the Sixers. He needs to prove he can still play at his old level too.

arenas is a pg never played any position but pg

IMO, im tired of you guys killing Rondo because he plays on a title team….Im talking to you birdzilla.

You take Nelson over him? I have to question you after saying that.

Rose is not better then Rondo right now. 2 years down the line maybe.

Harris is a good player on a bad team. I wanna see those stats and winning in the same year.

Arenas is a better scoring PG but not a better all around PG then Rondo.

I do feel Rondo is the best overall PG in the East. You said on many post how you feel Rondo will never get a jumper and other players will. I think if Rondo improves his jumper even a little, He will be this era’s Jason Kidd and to me he is everything I want in a PG and to me his game to me makes me feel he is the best PG in the game/

You bring up Harris, Nelson and Rose…..all 3 have bigger weakness in their game

it might be just me but doesnt Rondo have a huge weakness titled shooting? (by the way im not taking your points).

I know your not, its duece and one of his 4 accounts.

His shooting is not that bad when you look at his percentages ( FG% ROOK-41%, 2nd sea-48% and 3rd sea- 50%)

Harris is a bad shooter and a average playmaker
Nelson is a ok shooter and a average playmaker
Rose is a average playmaker and a average defender.

thats because he doesnt shoot much and if he started shooting from long range it would be dreadful, most of his scoring is layups.

Harris and Rondo aren’t that far part. Harris is a better scorer clearly and Rondo is a little better playmaker. They are both good defenders but Rondo is probably better. Rose will pass both probably by the end of next year though. Nelson isn’t in consideration for me.

There’s no way Harris or Nelson is better than Rondo.

Nelson shoots better and does nothing else at the same level as Rondo.

Harris has more scoring ability and is a slightly better shooter but Rondo is the better PG, defender, rebounder and runs the team more effectively.

So pretty much what I just said with a a little more detail haha.

Lol yea I was posting at the same time as you I think, you just got it out 1st. haha

i just dont think you can call him the best point guard in the east until he scores at least 12 points a game, i mean you cant tell what would happen if he left Boston i think he would be a horrible number one option because he lacks a jumpshot, while Harris would be at least a bad number one option.

Haha I hate when that happens. I’ll try to make a point then I’ll finally submit it and 3 people have already said what I wanted to say.

Rondo still isn’t a good shooter but you have to give him some credit….since he came into the NBA his jumper has improved. I remember he used to shoot absolutely awful in college. I’m from Kentucky so I have seen a ton of Rondo. He can now at least knock down an open midrange jumper. I can’t lie I didn’t know if I would ever see Rondo make nba 3pointers haha….he makes some now. Wether or not he can keep improving remains to be seen but I have definitely seen some progress over these last couple of years. There really isn’t a wrong answer between Nelson, Rondo, & Harris…they are all well above average PGs. It just depends on what skills you like for your PG to have.

So what his scoring is on layups? He does take jumpshots and he has improved his jumper

On the pace he is on, he will have a J-Kidd type career.

I would take Rondo over Harris & Nelson personally. I would take Rose over all of them though.

I would take Rondo over all of them IMO.

I wanna ask Gator, what do you see Rose’s prime numbers like?

I see around 22ppg, 9apg and 2spg.

mee too Gatorheels , for me the order is
Rose by a hair over Rondo
Rondo
Harris
Nelson

I think this season Rose will average 20ppg 5rbg 7asst….I’m not sure about his prime.

Knicksboy , I wanna answer that question too, so I would say
25 pgg, 9asts, 2.5 stl

I really don’t think Rondo will be as good as Kidd. Kidd is one of the best ever.

I would take Rose over if I had to pick, but I think Rondo is the most valuable PG in the East. I really do. I think Derrick Rose has a chance to revolutionize the PG position (tall, athletic PG’s with a small PG’s speed), him and John Wall.

I didn’t realize Harris was that poor of a 3pt shooter. I just looked at his stats a minute ago….29%. Wow I always thought he was a pretty good shooter. I know stats aren’t everything but this lowers him a little bit in eyes. He can score but he takes a lot of shots to do it too. The games I have watched him he didn’t shoot many 3s & his midrange jumper looked solid. He has shot a poor % from 3pt his whole career but I just never realized it.

I agree with you Igudala except the Rose over Rondo part.

Yup-Yup look at Kidd Career numbers. I know its a longshot for Rondo to have 100 trip doub..but the numbers are a little similar now

Maybe numbers wise but his vision isn’t around Kidd’s level and Kidd is a well respected player and an amazing leader, Rondo is neither.

Hey, He’s 23 and too me, I think down the line he can have a J-Kidd like career

It’s not out of the realm of possibility. He is a really good player but still a douche and a pussy.

That doesnt have anything to do with how good he is lol. And why do you say that? Have you met him before or something?

And Knicksboy, you really dont think Derrick Rose will be bettter than Rondo in the future?

I think he can. I rather wait 2-3 years when we can reopen the discussion

He is the dirtiest player in the NBA. His slap on Miller, what he did to Hinrich (he should have been suspended for that) and when he tried fighting Kobe last year then hid behind Ray Allen showed me how big of a punk he is.

I doubt anybody is scared to fight Kobe Bryant, Chris Childs and Reggie Miller embarrassed him. And they arent exactly intimidating guys lol. And I dont think Rondo is dirty, but I do think he is competitive and tough. I doubt what he did to Brad Miller was intentional too.

Chris Childs gave Kobe a 2 piece

Chris Childs gave Kobe a 2 piece

The Hinrich thing was plain dirty, no denying that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrFityevHl4

i jsu think Rondo thrives off having shooters around him and defenses offof him but woul struggle if he asctually got attention, until he gets a umpshot which will be hard because of his monstruio notice how his defender sags off to help out on Allen, or Pierce but if he doesnt have that much talent and the defense an be in his face he will struggle without a jumpshot and take a lot of bad shots if he leaves for a bad team in free agency, i think hes a good third option who gives you 15pts and tought defense but his jumpshot is too weak for him to be a better scorer.

birdzilla….you hate rondo man…

i dont hes my favorite player on the CEltics but your setting unrealistic expectations thinking he will be an All-Star i think hes a good player but his lack of a jumpshot will prevent him frtom being much better.

Q I have a problem with u saying Kendrick Perkins is the best defensive center in the east. that’s just wrong. dwight howard plays in that conference too.

And also saying they can’t win a title without rondo… please, they can’t win a title without KG! (see: last year)

birdzilla- Yeah defenders sag off Rondo to help out on Ray & Pierce but even if they stuck to Rondo it wouldn’t matter.  Even if Rondo never improves a bit from here on out on his jumpshot, he will still be able to take anyone off the dribble anytime he wants.  His handles are sick, he constantly attacks the basket if he chooses wether his man is up in his face or sagging off him. 

yeah but when he drives like crazy on a team where their isnt a bunch of attention on the big three and hes being paid attention too there will be a lot of turnovers and tough shots in a more crowded lane where defenders dont have to worry about shooters like House, Pierce, and Allen.

Your right because noone thinks Rondo is good Bird. They never defend him.

So Chicago wasnt guarding him in the series?

Like I said before, go watch that Bulls Series and Finals Series….you will see a top 3 PG in the NBA.

Numbers mean little to me, He has good number now and like I said again and again, look at other good PG numbers. J-Kidd had similar seasons

yep their fgocusing on Pierce, and Allens three point shooting and if hes such a good score why did he only avarege 11.9 points a game? let me guess Steve Blake can be considered one of the best scoring point guards with 11 points? your overestimating his driving because if he was that good he would feed off the opeinings ant score probably at least 15 points.

Do you watch Basketball?

I mean, your telling me the Bulls and Lakers did not guard Rondo…at all.

Your right Steve Blake’s on Rondo’s level. You need to watch some more basketball because honestly I dont think you know what your talking about.

Rondo averages 11ppg, 8apg and 5apg and you bang on him everytime for no reason, you think he is bad but put PG like Harris and Nelson above him.

Come on man, you gotta watch some more basketball.

birdzilla- You are putting too much emphasis on the fact that Rondo can’t shoot or score a lot of points.  Rondo does a lot of things better than Harris &or Nelson.  I promise you Rondo could score 20pts a game if he wanted but he isn’t asked to do that.  Doc Rivers just wants him to run the offense which is smart considering the Celtics have a ton of veterans.  Put Rondo as the starting PG for the Nets & he would average 20pts.  He can get in the lane anytime he wants.

i know hes a good overrall point guard but its hard to call 11.9 points a game the best point guard in the east,(i was joking with the Blake thing) and also the onlyu thing Rondo has on Parker is defense and reboundind Parkers the Better, attacker, shooter, and playmaker.

THANK YOU!!!! AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES THAT!!!

THANK YOU GATORHEELS!

he has no jumpshot and if he was the emphasis for the defense he would be forced to bad shots, like long jumpers, and crazy driving shots.

Parker is not a better playmaker sir

Parker- 6apg
Rondo- 8apg

how about a big stat.
Parker 22
Rondo 11.9
2 assists isnt that much of a difference.

birdzilla- you are wrong….Rondo is not forced to take bad shots…all he has to do is get in the lane and either pass it to a big down low or kick it out to an open shooter.  Rondo will be effective wether he is the emphasis on defense or not. 

i know but if he was forced to shoot more that would happen.

and actually thats 6.9 assists for Parker.

They have different roles…
Rondo is not asked to score like Parker, Rondo could score if he wanted to, but because of teh vets on the team, he is asked to distribute more instead of score.
Rondo completely took over the Bulls series, which I feel he could do more often if he is asked to.
If Rondo is still a Celtic in a few years when Allen, Pierce, and Garnett are older and possibly retired,
Rondo will have huge numbers, because he will be asked to do more.
If Rondo played on a different team, He could average 20 ppg.

you can say the Spurs have vets too.
GGinoble
vs
Allen
Jefferson
vs
Pierce
Duncan
vs
Garnett
those are three gooid vetarens but he stwill probably score more than any of those.

Gator, R-Dot….its pointless

Bird has a bias against Rondo. All you care about is scoring and if Rondo had to he would score more but you dont care….you still dont like him.

wait how is harris (who is a allstar) behind rondo?..that makes no sense

haha your the one whos bias theres no way hes better than Parker at least right now Parker is easily the the thrird best point guard in the league and if the Celtics could get Parker they would be unstopable Parker and Kg on the pik & roll.

i know some of these people are bias towards Rondo. (even said hes better than Parker).

Im not Bias against anyone, you keep going back everytime I say something about a guy you go back to scoring….every time.

Rondo does not score alot…we get it. But he is valuable to that team and without him, i dont see BOS winning a title

Harris to me, is a good player on a bad team.

He is a bad shooter and a average playmaker and a ok defender from the games i have seen.

hes valuable to them but Parker is the second most valuable player to the Spurs behind Duncan, while Rondo is the fourth they cant afford to lose Garnett, Pierce, or Allen.

The Celtics can lose Allen and still win a title. I think Rondo is the 3rd overall option.

True, but I think if Parker went down, the Spurs would have Manu and another Hill spilt time at PG. Rondo goes down…you go to Lester Hudson and you lost a chance at a title

Eddie House would start and theres no way Hill can lead a team id take House over him, and also if you lose Allen you lose his clutch shooting which hurts down the road.

gatorheels..how low is sessions in youre eyes since he shoots 19 percent

But House is not in Rondo’s league sir…at all.

Allen and clutch shooting….no. He can shoot be his not the old Ray Allen, he is not that clutch.

theres alot of good players on bad teams..they still are good players…also rose shot22percent from three..is he lower in youre eyes gator….so the same excuse can be made for a ok to good pg thats surrounded by good to great talent if you penalize a player for being on a bad team

what about the two game winners last playoffs? and Hill is a much bigger dropoff than to House, House cant play defense but he will score, and Hill nowhere near in Parkers league.

funny how noone says Rose is not a good shooter

3pt shooting isn’t everything

 Its a tough decesion for me between Rondo, Harris, & Nelson to be honest.  I would give Rondo the slight edge because I like his length, ball handling, & defense.  Like I’ve said earlier there isn’t a wrong choice between the 3 really.  Just depends on what main skills you want your PG to have.  AS for Sessions I like his game…he isn’t too far behind these 3.  It really depends where Sessions goes….with more playing time in a system that fits him he should be able to get on the other top PGs in the East level pretty easily I would think. 

hes not a good shooter but hes a decent shooter atleast.

hes not a good shooter but hes a decent shooter atleast.

your a hypocrite…Rondo shootes 50% from the field and 31% from 3…he’s a bad shooter

Rose shot 22% from 3…he’s a decent shooter

B-I-A-S

thats because Rondo doesnt shoot as much.

if the spurs lose parker thats a very very big deal..they have no replacement for him

If the Celtics lose Rondo….its a big deal too. You lose the guy who runs your Offense

Parker runs the offense through the pick % roll which is nearly unstopable and if he went down they would lose that whgich would hurt badly.

I know that…but im gonna repeat myself

If the Celtics lose Rondo….its a big deal TOO. You lose the guy who runs your Offense

if you lose Parker you lose you point guard and leading scorer and pick & roll operator and playmaker.

i never said that what u said was wrong…again

If you lose Rondo, Lester Hudson is the starter.
I like Lester, but he is not ready to start yet.

actually House woul start.

and whos better House or Rondo?

Better yea who would you take House or Rondo

of course Rondo is better but the Celtics would still have a shot without him while im not even sure the Spurs would make the playoffs without him.

….The Celtics would not win a title without Rondo

they would have a good shot i mean they took the the Magic to seven games without their best player and leader Garnett, so they would do betterwithout Rondo, than without Garnett.

They most likely would not win it all w/o Rondo, but if Harris was there pg instead they would still win it all IMO.

They would not win it all without Rondo..
definetly not.
House wouldnt be able to come in and play the minutes Rondo does effectively, and he is where he belongs, in the role he has.
I feel like Hudson would get more minutes if Rondo went down.

they would have a better shot than last year.

Were talking this year.

Rondo out for the season = no title in Boston

might be they still have a shot though but if the Spurs lose Parker for the season they wont be more than a seven or eight seed at best.

No way they would have a better shot, with Garnett out, atleast they have Big Baby to fill in, and he played great IMO.
Rondo Out… Lakers Repeat.

they would have a better shot Garnett is their leader, best defender, best plsyer they will have a shot as long as hes plsying.