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  • #69211
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    XYRYX
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    After looking like arguably the worst team right now they fire Lue who is still owned 15 million. Larry Drew will become interim coach and might be seeking more then just that. 

    What does this mean overall for the franchise, do they do the full rebuild now? What will happen with Love and the other expensive vets going forward? Will Sexton play more? Is tanking an option? 

    Thoughts? 

     

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  • #1125563
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    CoachWyers
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     Pretty wrong of Cleveland.  They should have fired him this summer so he had a chance at another job if he wasn’t their guy.  You don’t fire a coach 6 games in when your team lost Lebron and has no expectations for the year.

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  • #1125564
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    Chrispy
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     Reports I read said that his loyalty to play vets was one source of problems with upper management. If they are going to rebuild, you have to run your young guys full out. They were never going to make the playoffs, so play the young’uns and let ’em run. Love is a shell of his former self, George Hill shouldn’t be a starter at this point (even with his 19 mil salary). I say run out a line-up of Sexton, Clarkson, Osman/Hood, Nance and Zizic and see what happens. At the least get them experience and see what you really have.

     

    That said, CoachWyers has a good point about the timing.

     

     

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    • #1125574
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      XYRYX
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      While a true rebuild for sure would favor playing the younger guys more, this roster was and still is not assembled to do this. I‘m by no means a fan of your and think he hasn’t proven much so far even with the chip he won since we all know who really was running the show since Blatt was fired when Bron was back after a few games. 

      Had Lue really a choice but to play the vets? If he doesn’t, they become annoyed and want out immediately not to mention the amount of money that is attached to them. If he plays the young guys, the trade value would drop even more and there wouldn’t even be a trade market for them. 

      This roster is nonsense and to me Lue had no choice but to do what he did and it’s not really his fault they suck. Overpaying for Nance or seeing how bad of a player Hood has become doesn’t help in the long run also and we haven’t even talked Love yet who can only be traded if picks are attached to him if you ask me and this would not make any sense if you expect this team to suck the next 2 years for instance. 

      Lue should be happy to be out there and should find opportunities when the other teams need to make changes going forward after this crazy season so far. 

       

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      • #1125584
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        XYRYX
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        meant to say ‘a fan of Lue’ in the beginning. My phone got this wrong!! 

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  • #1125566
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    Cynthia
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    I’m not even that big on Lue as a coach, but I’ll take him over Donovan in OKC. Heck, I’ll take most high school coaches over Donovan at this point. Hopefully with OKC’s slow start Donovan gets canned soon too.

    But yeah the Cavs did him dirty, they should have done this during the offseason, I don’t know what they realistically expected. Love was good for like 2 seasons in Minnesota and he’s been a scrub since, he cannot carry a team and he’s injured every other game.

     

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    • #1125572
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       Love is just one of those players who can put up enormous numbers that rarely equate to winning. If he’s your best player  or even second best your team is likely in for a rough year. 

      I have to say I’m starting to wonder if the Thunder’s problem is the coaching or something else. Billy Donovan seems to be doing things exactly like Scott Brooks did and maybe it’s his fault or maybe the personnel and star only play that particular way.

       

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  • #1125567
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    RUDEBOY-
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     Cavs real coach Left for LA in July!! 

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  • #1125568
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    RUDEBOY-
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    Danny Gilbert said he wanted Lebron to leave so he could have his team back. I guess he loves losing, love having to sell Tickets for $2, having a carivan of gms and coaches in 13 years and having a Front Row seat at the Lottery Drawing!! I never Was High on Lue’s coaching skills. But According to reports Lue will receive a 13 Million dollar Buyout. That’s a Great Incentive for Not having to work for Danny Boy anymore!

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  • #1125569
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    BeastMode716
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     utters a single complaint – show’s for work on a team run by a clueless owner who Fires a veteran Title winning GM & promotes a kid who promptly trades Kyrie Irving – a probably Hall of Fame Star & a Key piece of the Only NBA Title in Franchise history – for a Draft pick & an undersized, Severely injured guard about to be a Unrestricted Free Agent 

    If Bryan Colangelo wasn’t Destroying the Sixers we’d have spent a Lot more attention on how Horrific this trade truly was

    Anyway, Lue deals w/ all this incompetance around him but shows up for work, gives 100%, coaches up the guys he has & his reward for Integrity & Consistency is a classless owner who is the laughing stock of the entire NBA shitting on him & trying to make Lue the scape goat for the downfall of the Franchise 

    I gotta believe that when Tyron Lue got that Phone call that he was fired he broke out into a smile that would light the Times Square Christmas Tree! 

    Congrats Ty Lue b/c you have been emancipated from that truely ridiculous team Owner – go forth & prosper somewhere else & enjoy your freedom from Dan Gilbert 

     

     

     

     

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    • #1125573
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      draftmangt
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      Some of the criticism he receives is unfair IMO. First off let’s talk about David Griffin, yeah he was the GM when they won the the Title but it’s not like he played a significant role in putting together that roster. Kyrie was already there and Lebron returning had nothing to do with him really neither did the K Love trade. He pretty much inherited a roster that was only missing a few key roles in order to compete for a championship and wanted to be paid like one of the top GMs in the league so I can’t really be upset that Gilbert didn’t want to pay him top dollar for acquiring role players. As far as the kyrie trade hindsight is 20/20, at the time of the trade a lot of people thought the Cavs won the trade because Brooklyn was expected to be a lot worse than what they were.

      As far as Lue I could go on a rant about my problems with him as a head coach but instead I’ll simply ask a question to those who feel he shouldn’t have been fired. What does he do well as a Coach?

       

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      • #1125589
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        I think Lue does a fine job with the X’s and O’s, albeit not elite like a Stevens/Popovich (but very few are). He wouldn’t have been able to win a championship in Cleveland or go to three straight finals if he wasn’t solid in this aspect (YES, even in spite of Lebron’s greatness, part of the reason they got there was Lue’s coaching).

        I’m going to point to something else though that is very underrated in coaching/life: he made people want to play FOR HIM. Guys were willing to go to bat for Lue, respected his decisions, and accepted the sacrifices necessary to put the team first (Love really sacrificed a lot to put Cleveland over the top). People bought in under him.

        As a motivator, he is absolutely one of the best in the game. You can’t measure these things, but they might be the most important components of being a successful leader. Lue definitely embodied them.

        Not to mention as others have said, that he handled the entire Lebron situation with class. Along with dealing with their bad management, and not complaining ONCE, I applaud Coach Lue. He’ll get another chance very soon.

         

         

         

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  • #1125570
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     I’d probably be relieved if I’m Tyronn Lue. He still gets his money and won’t have to coach this bum team.

     I don’t understand what the Cavs were thinking when they resigned Kevin Love to such a big deal, it was clear to everyone except them the Cavs would be pretty awful this year. They should probably start their fire sale soon, I’m sure some teams would happily take a few of their pieces like Kyle Korver for the right price. The hard part is they overpaid so many role players to make LeBron happy and those contracts will likely be hard to move.

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  • #1125575
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    halfdecayed
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     Love cant put enormous stat lines like he did in Minnesota. He is way too soft now. They gotta get rid of him as soon as possible before his contract becomes untradable that is if its not already

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  • #1125576
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     Only other coach to take over a team mid season & win an NBA Title besides Ty Lue was Pat Riley 

    The pressure this guy was under & how expertly he handled it was remarkable – Lue was fantastic under pressure, out of Time outs late in games when the pressure was greatest

    That 2016 Title run where they roar back from a 3-1 deficit agaiunst a 73 win Golden State team was All Time Legendary stuff & Lue was right in the middle of it 

    People forget David Blatt – who is a good coach but he was managing one game at a time, unable to think long term – that Cleveland team was not winning a Title under Blatt & they knew it (to their credit) b/c it was a Massive risk switching coaches at the 1/2 way point w/ a 30-11 record 

    Diff coaches function better under diff circumstances – young teams need a teacher, middling teams need a steady hand who is a solid coach & can win you & extra 2 or 3 games, potential Title winning coaches need to be Great at adjustments In games while building to peek in the playoffs & they need to be part Psychiatrist to manage the Ego’s – it’s the hardest thing to do in coaching b/c it is So rare to be in that situation – Very few coaches ever are

    I really hope Lue gets the credit he deserves in retrospect that he really did not get while he was there in Cleveland 

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1125578
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    mowesten
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     I keep hearing the rumor they wanted him to play young guys more, and I’m trying to figure out who that would be — there are no young guys.

    What a sh!t show.

     

     

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  • #1125592
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    Andrew1984
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    I will always be a David Blatt apologist; I’m thankful for my championship, but Blatt had an injured Kyrie and Love in the ’15 Finals, otherwise he’d have won a championship, too. And certainly Lue would not have won it in 2015 with those injuries. Once KD went to GS, neither Blatt nor Lue were going to win one.

    I knew the self-delusion of believing they’d be competitive with these veterans would unravel quickly, and that most of the season would be time for Sexton, Cedi, and Nance to get reps. They just need an infusion of talent. I was thinking Romeo Langford at 5-6ish, but they might be bad enough to land RJ or Zion.

    So who should Dan Gilbert hire? It’ll be Larry Drew for the rest of this season, and beyond that, I think his top target is Jay Larranaga, but will also consider Ettore Messina. Personally I’m quite fond of John Beilein, but the Pistons might have been his only look.

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  • #1125596
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    Hitster
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    Ty Lue won a title as a coach and will get a thumping pay off. When a team goes to being a rebuilding team he suddenly doesn’t become a dud coach if results go wrong.

    It’s not a great time to replace a coach, Larry Drew might be a safe pair of hands to keep the team ticking over this year and if the wish is that he play the younger guys then he can do that. The Cavs with a good pick next summer would be an attractive option for a young college coach or a top assistant taking a first job.

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