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- Posted on: Tue, 09/18/2018 - 3:41pm #69101
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantThe other end of the spectrum of yesterday’s "Guys who peaked as rookies thread". These are guys that didn’t really find much success in the NBA until much later in their careers. Either they were guys that were overlooked or may have even been considered busts at one point.
1. Steve Nash- Nash’s first 4 seasons were pretty unremarkable and there was no indication he was going to be an all-time great at the time. He developed into an All-Star level player in Dallas by his sixth season but didn’t actually really reach his peak until went back to Phoenix in his early 30s and won back to back MVPs.
2. Chauncey Billups-Despite being the number 3 pick, he bounced around the league and was largely considered a bust. He didn’t really take off until he got to Detroit in his sixth season. Didn’t make his first All-Star game until his 9th season.
3. Sedale Threatt- True definition of a late bloomer. Sixth round pick who bounced around the league for his first 8 seasons. Was signed to be Magic Johnson’s backup in the offseason but ended up getting his 1st starting job when Magic retired. Proceeded to play the best basketball of his career in his 30s, and was a major reason the team managed to stay competitive.
4. Bruce Bowen- Undrafted player who didn’t even make it to the league until he was 26. Kind of bounced around for about 5 years before finding a role as a defensive specialist in San Antonio. Won multiple championships and widely regarded as one of the premier defenders in the league in his prime.
5. Hassan Whiteside- Whiteside flamed out of the NBA completely his first go round and was out of the league completely for over 2 years. He came back on a 10 day contract for Miami in 2015 and instantly became a double-double machine. Made first team All-NBA the next season.
Who are some other players that you feel fit this category? Keep in mind I’m thinking more of guys that didn’t find success until they were older and well into their careers. Not necessarily guys that came into the league when they were 18-19 and didn’t break out until they were 22 (i.e. Jermaine O’Neal).
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/18/2018 - 4:20pm #1124543

r377Participantjames johnson comes to mind, Ben Wallace, Gary Payton
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/18/2018 - 4:24pm #1124544
zcnumerounoParticipantJimmy Butler is one that comes to mind.
He didn’t do much as a 22 year old rookie (only about 8.5 min a game), but turned himself into a good defensive role player during his second season.
He really broke out in year four when he averaged 20 a game, and hasn’t looked back since.
I really don’t think many thought Jimmy Butler would turn himself into a star player in this league, especially considering he was an "old" rookie who didn’t do that much during his rookie campaign.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/18/2018 - 6:30pm #1124546

r377ParticipantThe man to the left in my profile pick def deserves a mention
4 years at notre dame, came into the league as a 23yo, 3rd round draft pick who was slow and unathletic.
Chuck Daly was his coach for a bit in Cleveland and brought him to Detroit, where he become the starter.
Bill Laimbeer turned into a player who everone hated, yet wanted on their own team. He lead the league in rebounding with a 5 in vert and was a 4 time all-star.
He would of put up even better stats on a lesser team – Isiah, Dumars, Aguire, Microwave
0- Posted on: Wed, 09/19/2018 - 4:29am #1124568
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantNot sure about laimbeer for this category. Although he may have been overlooked coming into the league, he actually was pretty good right away once he got to the nba and was an all-star by his third season.
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- Posted on: Tue, 09/18/2018 - 9:49pm #1124550

XYRYXParticipantJohn Starks had trouble earning a spot at all in the league until he finally found a place on the infamous Knicks team who battled the Pistons and the Bulls at that time. Had some injury problems as well before finally being recognized as a quality SG and was already 27 or 28 when he got it going in NY.
Detlef Schrempf went from beeing just a role player to becoming the missing piece for the Sonics along the glove and Kemp when all hit their primes. He never reall became more then a really good role player but went to win two 6th men trophies and made the All Star Game when he was already 30.
Sam Cassell was part of both Rockets championship teams early in his career but individually he peaked many years later when he was with the Timberwolves with a young KD and with Spreewell. Made the All Star game for the first time ages 34.
Last but not least we need to talk about Dennis Rodman. He didn’t play at all in high school and was only 5‘6“ as a freshman in high school and didn’t experience a significant growth spurt unless he already finished high school. He already quit the game of basketball cause two of his sisters were considered more talented then him and both actually had a good amount of success. He worked as a janiator at the airport after high school and have the game another chance when he had experienced his new size after growing up to 6‘7“.
He played some good college ball in Texas end was dropped due to academical reasons and after transferred to Southeastern Oklahoma State where had 3 good years but he wasn’t really considered a true talent until after a draft workout where he was named MVP and caught the eyes of the Pistons who drafted him with the 3rd pick in the 2nd round when he was already 25 years old. He steadily improved and helped the Bad Boys becoming a power house in the east but didn’t become a regular starter until he was already 29. However the last year before he became a full time starter, he was named All Defensive 2nd team and the Pistons realized he could be integral to this team. From there he took off after they lost Mahorn and worked himself into a two time defensive player of the year, an All NBA Defensive first teamer for many consecutive years and won the rebounding crown for 7 seasons in a row if I‘m not mistaken.
Overall he was a 5 time champion, 2 time defensive player of the year, was on 8 All NBA teams, 2 time All Star, even was named All NBA 3rd team twice and won 7 rebounding titles in a row. To me his is not only the true definition of a late bloomer but also the perfect example of someone exceeding expectations and more importantly defying all odds of becoming significant despite being different to others and for sure not being as talented as many others. All his accomplishments were hard work and the desire to prove that you can make it despite many personal problems and a million reasons why you should fail.
On a side note Rodman wore the #91 for the Bulls cause #10 was not available there and they refused him to wear #01. 9+1=10 Rodman’s father who left the family when Dennis was young claimed to have 26 or 28 children and Dennis claimed he was the oldest of 47 total children….
0 - Posted on: Tue, 09/18/2018 - 9:57pm #1124551
The GoatParticipantChauncey Billups came to mind immediately. Out of the active players, for sure Jimmy Butler and Whiteside as mentioned, but I’d like to also throw out a few names – Khris Middleton, Draymond Green, Patty Mills, Paul Millsap, Tyson Chandler, Nik Vucevic.
Steph Curry was even questionable for a while there with his dodgy ankle. A lot of people wanted the Warriors to move him instead of Monta Ellis.
To the true believers, I think it’s safe to say Darko isn’t going to come good.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/19/2018 - 12:30am #1124552

HeroescantdieParticipantIf he’s a late bloomer. But drafted in the lottery, was not that productive in the suns team beacuse of amare nash marion richardson. He became the number one option when he was with the hawks.
I remember also George. He was probably in his third year when he erupted especially when granger was injured. The turning point was when he played his worst game then suddenly he erupted and used that as his motivation.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/19/2018 - 1:39am #1124561

220ParticipantKawhi Leonard comes to mind, he didn’t enter the NBA as a top flight talent. He got traded for George Hill which seems absurd at this point, but looked a bit questionable for the Spurs at the time.
Deron Williams didn’t do much in his rookie year and progressed signficantly after that.
Gilbert Arenas completely changed his game from a slasher to a big time shooter over his career. He came into the league as a second round pick.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/19/2018 - 2:24am #1124563
Arc12345ParticipantWhiteside has never been first team all NBA. He’s actually never made an All-NBA team at all.
That would make him a completely different caliber of player.
0- Posted on: Wed, 09/19/2018 - 4:23am #1124567
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantYea. Good call. For some reason I thought he did in 2016.
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- Posted on: Wed, 09/19/2018 - 9:55am #1124577

ThenilonatorParticipantStephen Jackson got drafted in 1997 but had to bounce around leagues in Australia and Venezuela before his first shot at the NBA, even then his first few years were very quiet until he became a solid contributor on that spurs title team in 2003. After that year he was a key piece to quite a few teams.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 09/23/2018 - 9:23pm #1124678
mowestenParticipantJohn Stockton. Wasn’t even a full time starter until his fourth year in the league.
Jermaine ONeal. Didn’t do much of anything until his fifth year in the league and had a breakout year in his sixth. Went on to be a pretty good NBA player for a while.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 09/24/2018 - 12:26pm #1124687

llperezCedric ceballos, not recruited out of highschool. Played 2 years of junior college then 2 years at cal st Fullerton college before being a late 2nd round pick in 1990 by suns. Played about 11 minutes per game each of first two seasons before becoming solid role player. 5th year in league he was traded to lakers and his game took off, averaged 22ppg for couple seasons dropping 50 in a game. Made all star team while helping lead lakers to playoffs. Benefitted big time from nba moving there point line in 2 feet for couple years where he went from making zero threes in back to back seasons to being a 40% three point shooter who took multiple threes per game.
Horrible defender though who always lost playing time in playoffs due to it. Also made headlines for going m.i.a. On lakers only to have pics of him jet skiing on lake havasu during spring break surface on the internet which is how lakers found out where he was. Career started going downhill after his stint with lakers ended when they traded him once Shaq and Kobe came along and team decided he wasn’t right fit next to those two along with Eddie Jones and nick van exel since he was kind of a black hole with ball in his hands
0 - Posted on: Wed, 09/26/2018 - 10:47am #1124737
BeastMode716Participantbut Dipo was the #2 pick in the 2013 Draft – put up decent #’s in Orlando for 3 years avg 15ppg but knowing they were not going to sign him to an extension the Magic traded Oladipo to the OKC Thunder where he backed up Russ Westbrook & ran the 2nd Unit
And Oladipo did a good job – again his #’s were good Avg 15 ppg agaon on about 43% fg% grabbing a few boards & dishing a couple assists a game
And then OKC traded Oladipo to Indiana in the PG13 deal. They included young PF Damontic Sabonis & to the entire NBA it appeared that Indiana gave away PG13 for next to nothing.
But in Indiana Victor Oladipo blossomed into a Legit #1 option scoring PG for a Playoff team & a bona fide All Star. Sabonis has done a real nice job too avg 11 pts & 7 reb & helping Myles Turner to solidfy the Pacers front court
Remember Summer of 2017 – 3 former playoff teams in the East: Chicago, Indiana & Atlanta decided to engage in full Rebuilds & all 3 made major trades to start that rebuild process. Chicago & Indiana traded perennial All Stars in Paul George & Jimmy Butler & all 3 teams were expected to be in the mix for Top 3 Lottery picks
Atlanta & Chicago were indeed in the Lottery & made top 7 picks in the 2018 Draft. Indiana w/ Oladipo leading them won 48 games in 2017/18′, captured the #4 seed in the East & took the Lebron James led Cleveland Cavs to 7 games in the 1st Round of the Eastern Conference playoffs! Dipo put up Career Highs w/ 23 ppg 5ast 4reb & 47% Fg% & 37% 3pt fg%
Oladipo is now 26 years old & in one year he turned his Entire career around!
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