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  • #68968
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    high floor
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    So, Orlando’s identity looks to be taking shape with their latest two lottery selections of Mo Bamba and Jonathan Isaac. Coupled with Aaron Gordon’s extension.

    But how do these three pieces fit together moving forward? After an un-inspiring 2016-17 experiment with Aaron Gordon at SF…… some critics question the fit of Isaac & Gordon together. As Isaac seems more destined as a rangy PF, on offense & defense, long term (more on Isaac later). Gordon clearly benefited as a full-time PF last season.

    Bamba should get minutes out of the gate, but he needs to add significant lower body strength before he can consistently handle 25+ minutes per game. He’ll get bodied up every posession, regardless of his freakish length, and either give up easy buckets or commit a foul. A natural right of passage for a young, raw center prospect. Undeniably though, the potential of a Bamba / Isaac frontcourt, defensively, is seriously intriguing. Once Bamba develops his body, and gets an nba conditioning regimen under his belt, he has the potential to be a souped-up rangier version of Serge Ibaka. Remember, Serge didn’t start shooting 3’s until his fourth + season. I haven’t seen enough yet to determine how Bamba will defend the perimeter….. but feedback from scouting sounds like he has potential in this area.

    I really like Isaac. For a guy who is rail thin, & clearly couldn’t handle the strength of the NBA game last year, he’s a physical player by nature. He rebounds. He’s not afraid of contact & will put himself in the mix for 50/50 balls & will block shots on the strong-side. He’ll man you up 1-on-1 and embrace the challenge. On offense, he’s still slightly raw with his ball-handling….. but at times he looks like a super stretched out 6’5 guard…. trapped in a 6’11 forward’s body. He showed off some serious versatility in summer league. He has big potential as a face-up threat, and also as a roll-lob / pick-n-pop option once he adds weight. In year 3 & 4, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him get minutes at Center when Bamba’s getting a rest. I just think he’ll be great. An all-nba defense type of guy, with the potential for efficient offense to boot.

    So the question is, how does Gordon fit into this equation? Gordon showed some explosive upside on offense multiple times last year. 41pts, 14rebs against Brooklyn & 40pts, 15 rebs against OKC as well. So it’s clear, at just 22yo, his best basketball is ahead of him. I’m fascinated to see how new head coach Steve Clifford integrates the 3 of these guys on the floor at the same time. 

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  • #1122925
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    SeattleSuperChronics
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     When you hear the Magic GM give an interview and when you hear Pelinka give an interview….Its no wonder why the magi cant get any freeagents. 

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  • #1122926
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     I thought Isaac improved his ball handling in the summer league, looked like he could play SF at times.. Was pretty solid defensively too. If im the Magics Im giving alot of minutes to Bamba right at the beginning, they are not getting anywhere soon anyway, might aswell develop the young guys and let them learn them from their mistakes. 

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    • #1122957
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       I feel like they should limit Bamba’s minutes and let him work mostly in the gym as a rookie and allow him to bulk up. If he can gain 10-15 pounds byu the trade deadline get rid of Vucevic’s expiring contract and throw minutes at Bamba.

      Who knows maybe Orlando is a winning team last year. They started out hot last year but eventually crumbled. I’ve seen crazier things happen.

       

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    • #1122977
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      Yea I’d say limit Bamba’s minutes to around 20 a game and build his confidence against opposing teams’ bench groups. I feel there will be a hit in his confidence if he constantly gets bulliied by bigger centers around the league.

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  • #1122927
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     I’ve always and still due fell Isaac is overrated. He’s like a very broke man Rashad Lewis. He looks stiff, weak and clueless out there. I like MO and AG, they just need a PG. Wish they signed IT they need a guard who can go get buckets, think they could of competed for the 8th seed with IT. 

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    • #1122944
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      high floor
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      people are different, sheep are alike.

      I can respect your thoughts on Isaac, but I’m convinced that he’ll be a max contract type of guy. He checks so many boxes for me.

      Like Anthony Davis, he hit a major growth spurt in high school, turning into a ‘Big’ that already had perimeter skills. And he’s frickin’ huge. He’s at least 6’11 today. Plus he has really good defensive instincts, and is a willing rebounder. It’s not a coincidence that Orlando was a much better team last season when he was on the floor.

      He has to prove that he can hold up for an 82 game season though. Last year was not encouraging……… but i’m hopeful he’ll find his rhythym in the weight-room and add some functional strength to that wiry frame. 

      I’m all-in on him.

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  • #1122941
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    Orlando is been an absolute disaster for the last years, but after finally firing one of the worst general managers in history, Rob Hennigan, it seems the franchise is finding its way.

    i really love their frontcore of J.Isaac-A.Gordon-M.Bamba as it could end up being one of the most athletic and versatiles in the league.

    to me Isaac is clearly a SF, he showed in summer league that he can start plays, bring the ball up or start fast breaks and he looked pretty smooth and comfortable with the ball in his hands compared to last season. He also showed flashes of future star with those fade aways in the post and his defense is absolutely top. Of course he needs to be more consistent with his shot, but you know he’s still 20.

    anyways in today’s positionless game, it is a luxury to have 2 players like Isaac and Gordon whom can switch positions in offense and defense and both can make plays.

    if i was Orlando’s GM my main target would be Lonzo Ball; i think that after next year it will be pretty clear that he and Lebron cannot play together and he’ll get frustrated many times. I think that after next season he could be willing to leave LA as Lebron would still have 3 more years, and especially to go to a project like Orlando where they could have such an absolute brilliant future with the pieces they have.

    then they would need a pure shooter at the 2; i would go hard after Buddy Hield, he guy that can really shoot with efficiency and seems that doesn’t have space in SAC with all those guards.

    a core made of Ball-Hield/Fournier-Isaac-Gordon-Bamba would be a super long, athletic, versatile, exciting and intriguing team.

     

     

     

     

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  • #1122949
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    Chammes
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    Well to me it looks like your getting at least one future all star in either Bamba or Isaac but I think they can both be all stars down the line. The problem is I think Isaac is a 4 and Gordon would be the odd man out. I tbink you send away Gordon for a young point guard that Will grow along side the futures of your franchise. Personally I’m a huge Isaac and Bamba fan, and at time Isaac looked unstoppable in the summer league. It all depends on coaching and how the front office builds around them

      

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  • #1122954
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     isaac can do it all but score…

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  • #1122956
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     I dont think most people truly understand Jonathan Isaac’s game. He has a very unique game.

     Offensively he plays like a SG. His ball handling is limited but he has tons of one dribble pull up shooting moves so if he is playing as stretch PF its gonna be very difficult to gaurd him because even if you close out he can shoot overtop you or blow by you and pull up and will always get his shot off. Hes a smart player that has studied alot of Durant and Rashard Lewis is a decent enough comparison although thats not a knock. Lewis was a dynamic scorer before being just a spot up jumpshooter in Orlando.

    What really gives Isaac value is his defensive potential. He’s been getting pushed around due to lack of size early in his young career but his defensive instincts are off the charts. His length and flexibility allows him to get to spots and contest any shot. He is also a great athlete for his size. Him and Bamba are gauranteed to be a nightmare when they bulk up.

    I feel like people just think he is a raw athlete with a bit of a jumpshot but if you look a little deeper youll realize he is a real student of the game who is passionate about the sport and has outstanding instincts that cant be taught.

     

     

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  • #1122972
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     Start AG at PF he is not good at SF at all he always fails at it…You could maybe also put him as a small ball Center.

    I would intially try ease Issac into the starting role ala Luke walton style, as he has done with Ingram and play him multiple positions and find out what his best fit is. Is he a PG,SG,PF or SF then move forward with it after the Allstar game as a starter at that Position. This could mean Gordon has one thing happen to him of these 3: relegated to 6th man role,Traded or Kept at PF.

    Bamba: I would try let him ease into the NBA also for two reasons: 1) They need to move Nik V as he clearly doesnt help them win so need to pump up his trade value

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     2) So he an build chemistry with Issac  then both start after Allstar. I would probably have to hope like crazy he puts on some mass/Size by allstar and that you can start moulding him into the Rudy Gobert type player that he could be.

    The only things I would try definitely figure out by the deadline is this: Do you keep Gordon or move him and What can I do to keep Issac and Bamba healthy while adding size to their frames.

     

     

     

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  • #1122975
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     Bamba + an the interchangeable Gordon and Isaac are a good start, but they still need a true PG to bring everything together. Like 2quick4u said, Lonzo Ball would be perfect on this team, but they have nothing to give up besides picks.

    I was down on Isaac initially but after seeing him in summer league he looks like a  different player, much more confident and assertive. Reminds me of seeing Brandon Ingram take that step last season. 

    I can see him putting up 14 & 6 next year

     

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  • #1122985
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     Their "young core" is Gordon, Isaac and Bamba? One guy is good but flawed, and the other two have basically never played.

    Look at other garbage teams.

    The Bulls’ young core is Dunn, Lavine, Parker, Markkanen, Carter. 

    The Nets’ young core is Russell, Dinwiddie, LeVert, Hollis-Jefferson, Allen

    The Suns’ young core is Booker, Warren, Jackson, Bridges, Ayton.

    The Kings’ young core is Fox, Hield, Jackson, Bagley, Cauley-Stein.

    Hell, the Celtics, Sixers and Lakers have better "young cores" than Orlando, and will finish 30 games ahead of them in the standings!

    Orlando is not in good shape.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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