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- Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 11:26am #68699
high floorParticipantRecent reports this afternoon from DraftExpress have both Trae Young and Michael Porter Jr dropping to the late lottery in tomorrow’s draft.
Am I the only one who thinks Trae Young is being slept on? I see so much Mike Bibby in his game, and today’s NBA has a huge demand for a player of Mike Bibby’s skillset. The ability to hit three’s off the dribble, from deep. The ability to get your shot off with a lightning quick release. Unwavering confidence in your shooting stroke. The ability to get other’s involved. Trae already has improved his strength significantly, putting up 185lbs 15 times on the bench press….. Steph Curry put up 185lbs 10 times, as a 21yo junior at the 2009 combine for context.
Yes, he is not good at defense. Yes, he does not have great size or even average length. Yes, he will get lit up by opposing point guards on most nights. I don’t care. His offensive upside is so frickin’ high that I think a team like Orlando just needs to live with those shortcomings & build out their defense through other positions on the floor.
Trae should not fall past #9 to the Knicks. IMO that could be a mistake that gets GM’s fired in 2 years.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 11:35am #1120033
kobyzParticipanthe is not a two way player, and today nba go in the diraction of having as much two way players if you want to try building a winning team…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 11:46am #1120036
RUDEBOY-Participant2 years from now when they do a 2018 Re-Draft .Young will be amongst the Top 5 players. Folks knock his size,defensive difficulties. But Not only is he a great shooter. He has great vision, an outstanding passer & playmaker. And more importantly he plays with Swagger. I think Grayson Allen, Omari Spellman, Svi Myhauliak and Bruce Brown will be ranked higher on that Re-Draft list .
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 11:46am #1120037
Robb_CParticipantHes a turnover machine…..
Hes very tiny, My connections saw him in Chicago and told me he doesnt look the “part”
Im not sold on him.. future 6th man
0- Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 2:09pm #1120056
Scott42444Participant…but his usage rate was near historic as a true freshman. Leading the nation in turnovers should be concerning. However, the fact that he offsets that with leading the NCAA in scoring, assists, and is up there in usage rate at 19 years old is kind of crazy. He might not pan out, but saying he doesn’t "look the part" is silly to me. Half these guys don’t look the part yet at their age.
Not saying you are wrong, just offering a counter-point.
0- Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 3:10pm #1120063
Robb_CParticipantI hear ya but with his Usage it allowed him to ultimately pick his spots..
Refs have been really catering to offenses and I believe college coaches are exploiting it, leaving players with hyper inflated stats..
Thats why his usage is high, its the same thing I saw with Fultz last year.
0- Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 3:21pm #1120065
Robb_CParticipantAlso his usage rate gives a great body of data on what makes him effective but on the flip side it also exposes a few glaring concerns I have with him being the “guy”
0- Posted on: Thu, 06/21/2018 - 7:05am #1120091
Scott42444ParticipantLet’s look at Lebron, as an example. I believe that this year’s Cavs Finals team is one of the worst Finals squads (aside from a Top 5 of ALL TIME player in Lebron) in recent memory. They weren’t really close the previous year with Kyrie on the team and made a weird, roster changing trade at the deadline that made it better (possibly) in the long run but worse for this past season.
EVEN THEN…Lebron wasn’t getting aggressively double and triple teamed like Trae Young was getting towards the end of the year in Oklahoma. You just can’t do that in the NBA. Heck, if you look at the "dream" comparison with Young of Steph Curry. He is a stud but has another MVP, DPOY, and starting level All-Star on his team that has helped him elevate his game to MVP level (well, his MVP’s were really before Durant, but you get my point). Trae Young didn’t have another NBA level talent on his squad this year. Hell, his AAU team would have probably demolished his college team.
Once again, not trying to be argumentative with you I just disagree a bit. You have as good of a chance as I have of being right about Trae Young. It’s probably a matter of "where is he drafted" with him more than many of the other guys in the Top 10-15 this year.
0- Posted on: Thu, 06/21/2018 - 7:40am #1120105
Robb_CParticipantWe can always revisit this thread at a later date, Im just not sold on Trae Young.
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- Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 11:58am #1120039
SeattleSuperChronicsParticipantTrae Young will be lucky to have the same impact Lou Williams has had in the league. I think the 10-15 range on him is perfect.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 12:04pm #1120040
ball4life66ParticipantYes and a lot of peoplendisregard his passing ability. Lou Williams / Jimmer Fredette and awful comparisons like that.
0- Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 12:16pm #1120041
Robb_CParticipantHis passing ability?
Kid had 5.2 TOs a game and literally was shook when teams started figuring him out..
Five TOs a game in college is very concerning, the scouting report will be to jam Trae Young in a corner and make him pass out of it..
Take away the middle of the floor for Trae and hes uncomfortable.
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- Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 12:17pm #1120043
Lotto StudParticipantI got thrown to the wolves for making that Mike Bibby comparison in November, because everyone just wants him to be Stephen Curry.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 1:22pm #1120051
Reptilian MonkParticipantIf Trae Young had his skillset and was a 230 pound jacked enforcer in the league like Mike Bibby then I would take him Top 5
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 1:53pm #1120053
OhCanada-ParticipantTrae Young isnt Mike Bibby. He may have similar skills and size but Bibby was much better off the ball and much more patient. Bibby in his prime played on a Sacramento Kings team that truly valued ball movement and ran an intricate offense where 5 players averaged 4 to 6 assists per game. I dont see Young managing an offense the same way. Hes gonna be forced to take contested threes because he struggles to finish in the paint and against NBA length that will amplify. He will probably make those shots to be fair but as we saw in college he will have his good and bad streaks. As far as his playmaking youve got 4 guys on the floor waiting to be passed the ball and setting screens.
This works for James Harden and Russel Westbrook but those guys are insanely strong and athletic. Curry is much more effecient and scores from everywhere on the floor everyway. I see Young being a good player/bad option type guy that racks up decent stats but not a decent amount of wins. He probably gets picked by the Magic or Knicks and those teams continue to lose.
0- Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 2:06pm #1120055
Scott42444ParticipantI think the problem with ALL of these comparisons are that they don’t take into effect that Trae Young is being compared to guys entire NBA careers as a 19 year old true freshman. Just to repeat, he is the ONLY person in the history of the NCAA (well, since the 80’s when the officially kept track of assist stats) to lead the nation in scoring and assists. NOBODY i’ve ever seen has had a usage rate as high as what Trae Young had last year as a true freshman. You are comparing him to Mike Bibby of the NBA. Not Mike Bibby of Arizona.
Consider that he needs to get a bit better, and when he starts to age into HIS TWENTIES he can work on his decision making. What he doesn’t need to work on as much as any other prospect is his ball handling, play making, and "anywhere in the gym" shooting skills. Look, the same goes for every prospect in this draft. If they don’t improve in certain ways they will become just another guy. But his starting point is crazy.
0- Posted on: Thu, 06/21/2018 - 7:48am #1120106
timinator1Participantwhich is great…but the NBA has changed since Mike Bibby. Mo Wagner should be the next Keith Van Horn too.
It’s just not how the game is anymore. He’s leading the country in points and assists in a game of 19 year olds and mostly washed upperclassmen. He’s not leading during the Big East 80’s or the ACC 90s.
#12 or lower is appropriate for him. And I’m not even sure how a team that takes him utilizes him in the 2nd unit effectively.
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- Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 2:23pm #1120058
holefillers1ParticipantSixth man version of Jamal Murray
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 2:55pm #1120060
cominup7ParticipantHe’s definitely being slept on now, he’s fallen victim to having a crazy amount of hype early and being picked apart leading up to the draft.
Just like Doncic, I believe with Young you have to look at his whole body of work in context and not only look at measurables & athletic numbers.
He’s a freshman who led a completely talent-barren OU squad to the tourney. Without him, they’re a bottom barrel Big12 team. This is all while teams are gameplanning to slow him down, so of course his efficiency/TOs won’t be where we all want them.
And even for all his scoring prowess, what I like most about him is his vision and passing ability
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/20/2018 - 3:05pm #1120062
cominup7ParticipantGoogle Mark Price highlights, thats the closest player I could think of
0- Posted on: Thu, 06/21/2018 - 7:07am #1120092
Scott42444Participant…then got to the Jordan shot over Craig Ehlo and then just kept watching Jordan highlights. No offense to Mark Price, but Jordan highlights are more fun.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/21/2018 - 7:49am #1120107
timinator1ParticipantHe’s coming to your house to make 99 out of 100 free throws in your driveway.
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