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  • #68635
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    zcnumerouno
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    I really believe that Dakota Mathias, a former 2-guard from Purdue, has what it takes to make it in the NBA.

    First off, he’s an elite shooter (47.2/46.6/82.5) and that 3-point slash is off of 5.6 attempts per game. He also can contribute in other ways offensively as a distributer. He averaged nearly 4 dimes per game this last year. Last but not least, he’s an elite defender. As a Junior he he ROY hopeful Donovan Mitchell to 8 points on 3-9 shooting (via Seth Davis), and has been on 2 All-BIG Ten defensive teams.

    Mathias isn’t talked about much because of his below-average measurables. I’m not sure exactly, but I’d bet he’s around 6’4" and he doesn’t have freaky length. He also isn’t the quickest and doesn’t jump out of the gym. But he can play. He has a translatable skill in his shooting and he competes his ass off defensively–even if his measurables hold him back from his defensive glory days in college. He’s also improved drastically every year. His 3-point percentage had gone up each year and so did his assist numbers. Mathias was the worst defender on Purdue his Freshman year–just ask him– and in 4 years he turned into one of the best defenders in college basketball. His work ethic is tremendous also.

    As a Badger fan, I have watched Mathias over the last four years. He may not jump off the page statistically, but he always makes the right play and is also hustling. He caught my eye more than a few times… I wouldn’t bet against this guy.

    To a much lesser extent I believe that Josh Okogie is under the radar, and think he could sneak his way into the lottery. He is an elite athlete with great measurables, and posted good numbers at Georgia Tech. I have no idea why a lot of sites rate him as a second round pick.

    Forum: what under the radar prospect(s) do you think has a shot in the league?

     

     

     

     

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  • #1119367
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    timinator1
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    …and think you are right. There is a role for him at the NBA level. He will have to improve his positional defense, and probably his handle. But the game smarts, experience and shot are already there. 

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  • #1119368
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    timinator1
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    so I think that Devonte Graham from KU and Jevon Carter from WVU will be rotation players next year. Both are under the radar right now.

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    JP Macura- Can shoot of the catch and dribble, attack the rim, make plays, and is a fiery competitor. Seems like the kind of dude you’d like in practice to up the competition level and could turn into a productive role player. 

    Kelan Martin- Undersized PF that can shoot the ball and rebound. Heady player with ‘point forward’ ability and a high level understanding of the game. I don’t think he’s quite the athlete or prospect that Draymond is, but will play a similar role. 

    Arnoldas Kulboka- Lanky 6’10" SF with range on his jumper, solid length and athleticism, and good enough feet and skill level to play on the perimeter. 

    Jevon Carter- I think he can be a 3 and D style point guard ala Patrick Beverly. His on ball D is a legitimate NBA skill that should translate. 

    Wenyen Gabriel- a physical/athletic specimen with solid touch and shooting mechanics. I dont see him lasting through the mid second and won’t be surprised to see him in an NBA rotation next season. 

    Kevin Hervey- 6’7" with a 7’3" wingspan and a feathery jumper that he isn’t afraid to shoot in ppl’s faces from distance. Also has some ball handling and driving ability, but definitely will be an area he needs to improve to reach his potential. He reminds me of James Posey.

    Brandon McCoy- 7’1" with a jumper and outplayed ayton head to head. May be limited athletically, but his body of work and physical attributes speak for themselves. I could see him growing into his body and becoming a more nimble/dexterious athlete and becoming an absolute steal. 

    Alize Johnson- Started high school as a 5’9" pg and still has some of his guard skills as a 6’9" pf. I believe his fluid athleticism, nimble feet, and plus level shooting mechanics will get him picked.

    Gary Clark- 6’9" with long arms and surprisingly quick feet. Has some potential with his shooting, but defense and offensive rebounding are the biggest appeal to me. I’d like to see OKC target him with one of their late picks to play a Roberson type role. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1119379
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    i’ll go with Carsen Edwards

     

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    • #1119380
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      TRC1991
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      He’s going back to school

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  • #1119381
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    celtics1982
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     Duval is currently mocked in the 50s in the Ringer and ESPN mocks. He’s raw, but has massive upside. The guy was a top 10 recruit last year.

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    • #1119384
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      timinator1
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      and Duval should have stayed in school. He’s got talent, but he looks like he’s years away from contributing at the NBA level. Not a great shot maker, not really a distance shooter, a decent but not exceptional defender. Kinda underwhelming. 

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      • #1119387
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        whiteflash
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         Duval is Rondo without the defense or basketball IQ. He’s not an NBA player in any capacity. 

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    • #1119453
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       I agree. If your looking for a potential second round steal in this draft, Duval could be it. There’s a reason he was projected as a potential lottery pick coming into this season. I know his one season at duke was underwhelming, but they didn’t exactly run an offense that was great for showcasing his skills. They ran a post oriented offense with two traditional bigs on the floor at almost all times clogging driving lanes and limited pick and roll and transition opportunities. Duvals game is much more suited for the spread pick and roll and transition game that pretty much every team in the nba plays nowadays.

      Duval has elite speed and explosiveness that you can’t teach combined with above average athleticism and decent size for the pg position. Of course, there are major holes in his game, primarily the extremely shaky outside shooting and questionable decision making but those are things that can be improved with the right mindset and work ethic. He’s too much of risk to take in the first round at this point, but in the middle of the second round or later, if a team is willing to be patient and let him develop for a couple years, he could eventually provide some nice rewards.

       

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  • #1119382
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    Evan_Milberg
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    I’m super bullish on Yante Maten. A lot of folks have him as a late second-rounder or going undrafted, but I have him at 39 in my mock. He might be undersized for his position, but he’s a great finisher around the basket, has a great array of post moves, is a really good rebounder and above-average shot blocker, and has an extremely high motor. If he could stretch his shooting range out to the 3 point line, he’d be rated higher. 

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  • #1119385
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    One player I have seen consistently ranked low on this site all year and continues to not have much or any noise tied to his name is Gary Trent Jr. Watched him live in the Nike Hoop Summit and throughout last year and if he goes in the 20-30 range as projected I think he will easily outplay that ranking. I feel like he doesn’t get a lot of love because he’s not a highlight reel athelete but has solid size for a shooting guard and is a knockdown shooter already with a solid handle.

    Another one in terms of out performing his draft position is Kevin Knox. Reminds me a lot of Batum. Very smooth looking player. If he sharpens up his handle his versatility will take a huge leap.

     

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    • #1119393
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      Rawle Alkins. This is the biggest no brainer based off of his pre-draft projections. Should absolutely be a top 30 pick. 

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      • #1119427
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        theballerway
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         Rawle is going to make some GM look great and his probably low draft position should only fuel him. He has good two way potential at both guard spots and may be strong enough to guard certain 3s

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    Karey Eyo
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     I am a big fan of Jerome Robinson. He is a 6"6 SG and has good size for the position. Terrific shooter, he can flatout score and I believe he will be this year’s Kyle Kuzma. Very, very skilled guard who has a chance to be a starter in this league soon. 

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    • #1119398
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       Very underwhelming for me, don’t see his game translate, see Nick Stauskas in him…

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      • #1119418
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        Karey Eyo
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         I think Robinson will certainly be better than Nik. Stauskas mentally wasnt there. He lacked confidence, more ability than most people realize but was never put in thriving or winning cultures. That means alot for players. Robinson won’t lose confidence and could turn into a really nice combo guard

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  • #1119390
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    Gary Clark and Jacob Evans- high IQ defenders who won’t be stars but will merit rotation minutes for many years. Clark may have a little Draymond to his game.

    Vince Edwards- versatile 4 who can make the right pass and nail open 3s. Will play 20 minutes off the bench for a playoff team one day.

    Josh Okogie- criminally underrated, not sure why he isn’t a late lottery pick. Created a lot of his own offense as the primary rebounder, strong defender, developing jumpshot, massive wingspan, no real reason to not be a lock first rounder in a league starving for multidimensional wings.

    Ray Spalding and Anas Mahmoud- exceptional defenders could easily stick in the league. Spalding has the footspeed to corral ball handlers, and Mahmoud really defended the rim and reminds me a bit of Salah Mejri.

    Isaac Bonga- transformed in to an elite free throw shooter, his release is currently a little slow but he could become a rich man’s Kyle Anderson.

     

     

     

      

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  • #1119394
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    morestealsthanscores
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     Ooh, great question! I’ve got a few…

    Omari Spellman – how a guy like this can win a national championship and fly this much below the radar is beyond me…he’s a big that can defend multiple positions, shoot the three, and accept a role on a championship winning team!

    Elie Okobo – has the total package at PG and is producing great numbers in the top league in France

    Isaac Bonga – you’ve got a 6’8” passing guard shooting 90%+ from the free throw line and is producing at a professional level at just 18. I don’t understand his lack of hype!

    Shake Milton – a 6’6” combo guard who shoots 40%+ from 3 and defends – what’s not to like?

    Jarred Vanderbilt – I think he would’ve played himself into the first round without injuries – I think he’ll become a smallball centre in time – he’s so athletic and rebounds really well!

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1119403
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     …and at the risk of being annoying, I fully believe in Isaac Haas , also from Purdue. Not very athletic, but the mentality is there and he has quite an offensive game at the post. Plus, size that only exists in Boban in the NBA (7’2.75 in shoes, 303 pounds with not too much body fat). 

    Other than that, I would draft Mo Wagner at any cost, even a late lottery pick, but he is not a ‘under the radar’ prospect. So, I’ll go with two of my other favorite bigs, Tyler Davis from the aggies, and William Lee from UAB.

     

     

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    • #1119456
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       I’m a fan of wagner as well, but any gm that even considers the idea of drafting him in the lottery should immediately be fired.

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      • #1119480
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         No I’m not saying he should be viewed as a surefire lotto pick. Just that Robert Williams, for example, who is listed at no14 in this site’s mock, isn’t THAT much better than Mo. He probably is a better player sure, but I don’t see the striking class difference. In my opinion this draft is crazy from 1 to 7 and then the prospects seem pretty average lottery-wise. 

        The thing with drafts is that all of us will be surprised by how well a guy drafted late1st or 2nd round did, but until this time next year we’ll have forgotten about it and go with strict ratings and predictions that are not bold at all. I don’t know, if this was the spring of 2011 would you say that any GM drafting Isaiah Thomas in the lottery should be fired? What if I told you last year that Donovan Mitchell should go no1? A GM would have to be crazy to do that right? And Nikola Jokic, did he deserve to be selected at 41 in 2014? All I’m trying to say is that we should try not to be too close-minded regarding a pick’s outcome. Well we could be, but not after the season is over.

         

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  • #1119426
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    Probably VERY under the radar…. but I’m going to throw my hat in the ring for Jock Landale from St Mary’s.

    He improved in every major statistical category each year at college and averaged a pretty ridiculous stat-line in his senior year:

    21.1pts  10.2rebs  2.0asst  1blk   65%FG  75%FT  30%3pt

    Obviously he’s not an athletic freak, but that’s pretty impressive production whichever way you slice it.

    He hasn’t been playing basketball long, and he compares really favourably to someone like fellow-Aussie Aron Baynes.  He’s obviously not as strong as Baynes (not many are)…. but like Baynes, he’s very intelligent, plays tough and gritty, and isn’t afraid of doing the little things that don’t draw hype from casual fans, but coaches love (boxing out, setting solid screens, drawing charges, making the extra pass, etc etc).

    If he goes undrafted, I have a feeling he’ll play his way onto a roster and stick like fellow undrafted Aussies: Aron Baynes, Matthew Dellevadova, and Joe Ingles. Patty Mills was taken with the last pick, so he probably fits the bill of gritty Aussies that weren’t hyped too.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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