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  • #68467
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    timinator1
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     I’m listening to all the experts talk about Luka and his ceiling, based on playing in Europe. I get that he’s playing against pretty good European competition(!), but…what’s the thing that keeps this kid from being another Bellinelli, Hezonja, Fournier, Darko, the other Dragic, etc etc. 

    It seems like Dirk, Parker and GDragic are the outliers, not the norm for Euros. I have no expectation this kid will be better than Kukoc (good player, good fit, good teammate, terrific 3rd banana…but not a trancendent star). Simmons said he thought his ceiling was Top 5 NBA player, and I almost spit out my drink… 

    And in all honesty, I have only seen some of his game highlights, not done an extensive deep dive.

     

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  • #1117439
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     Simmons is Australian not European.

    There is nothing to keep any player from being a bust or a casualty due to injury. There have been many good players from Europe. You mentioned Dirk, Parker, and Goran Dragic. How about The Greek Freak, Pau Gasol, Kristaps Porzingis, and Marc Gasol? Stars are always outliers that’s why there are so few. Percentage wise there may be a higher percentage of European stars in the NBA than there are American stars. 

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    • #1117441
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      timinator1
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      Not Ben Simmons. Should have made that clear. Thanks.

        

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  • #1117448
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    XYRYX
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    I really think the critique with Luka is getting a little bit out of hand. I mean look at what he just accomplished earning and winning individually and the euroleague as well as the european championship. 

    I understand that some teams might be hesitant to draft him #1 but honestly what else has a 19 year old to do to prove he is capable of winning and leading on the biggest stage? There clearly are questionmarks since he is not perfect and his athletic abilities are the main concerns but if that’s all I’m totally not concerned. When I read the comments below some US based articles and people are questioning if 15/5/5 is even a good stat line regarding top notch european TEAM basketball I don’t know if the majority of the so called fans just don’t know everything about basketball IQ and fundamentals. 

    One more time I would like to say that I understand he is not by a landslide the best player in the this draft but some people are flat out stupid if they aren’t impressed by what he has to offer. I absolutely pray he won’t go to the Kings and also think the Hawks are terrible to play for but a team like the Mavs will never pass on him and for sure know what he is capable of. To me he has very few holes in his game and there never was a wing prospect coming from europe. Maybe that’s the reason why many don’t believe the hype cause there just never was someone like him. The debate about if he is going or should go #1 is totally fine but to question his talent and accomplishments to a point where people they ask if he is good at all is laughable. The only thing between him becoming a star in the league and not becoming one in my opinion is the incompetence of some franchises like the Kings or the Suns who just don’t have any kind of concept what they are building or want to build.

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    • #1117449
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      kobyz
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       No one question that he’s going to be a good player in the nba, just if he can become a star!

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      • #1117460
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        XYRYX
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        unfortunately many people are doing this right now. Since reports came out he might not come over this summer this whole thing started. Espn or sbnation comment section for example is full of people talking this and act like Ayton is pure gold while ignoring he has similar if not more questionmarks like his defensive impact and/or desire to this part of the game. 

        Luka is very special and while he might not have Terrence Ferguson springs und him he clearly is very strong (despite not overly well defined) and most notably he knows how to get to the spots on the court where he wants to be and that to me is one of the best/most important aspects of his game. Look at Joe Johnson or B Roy for example. Both weren’t very flashy or overly quick but had very decent handles and just knew how to play their game very fundamentally bound. There are questions if he might be more of a playmaker then a SG/SF and what that means defensively but heck this dude is incredible. And one more thing to say here. Imagine you are Real Madrid, you are the cream of the crop in europe and have many established and experienced players on this roster. This team is build to compete and to remain year in and year out. And then you give the key to this 19 year old who won’t be there soon. There aren’t many reasons why they decided to do this beside the fact that he is just awesome and actually can carry and lead a championship team as a 19 year old.

         

        Let this sink in for a second. We are not talking about some desperate adriatic league team which only chance to compete for something is to rely on their only half decent player. They have other choices managing playing time and responsibilities and if they want to go this way to build up and rely on someone who will reward them with leaving them sooner then later then people should ask themselves why one of the biggest sports club in the world is going this other then this dude in particular is the real deal. Another thing I think many people are underestimating is that high level prospects like Doncic are already pros and that for years now with international experience and they know how being a pro is. Many many young americans don’t have to acclimate to a new society like foreigners have to but very much regarding daily routines and just act like a professional athlete every day. This might not be so important to the casual NBA fan but for sure is to a coaching staff/front office team when scouting players.
        It‘s no secret I‘m already a fan and rooting for him and maybe it’s better for him if he falls to a team like the Mavs but heck this guy has all the tools to be incredible and beside the fact he already proved he is fantastic in dominating fashion this young when I look at the best guards/wings in the NBA right now almost non of them is really good or even trying defensively. Harden,Curry or Westbrook all stink defensively and even KD needed years to get to a point where he wanted to be any good defensively like he is now and he has way better tools to be good defensively.

         

        I just hope Doncic falls to a good situation and I believe the whole ‚will or won’t he come over‘ thing is just a smokescreen to avoid beeing picked by a team like the Kings or Hawks.

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  • #1117450
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    I agree Dirk, Parker, and GDragic (much less so) are outliers when it comes to European players, but Lebron, Anthony Davis, and Steph are outliers when looking at American players. Should teams pass on Bagley because few American players become star players. Very few players will be star players regardless of where they are from, so the fact he is from Europe should not effect anyone’s evaluation of him.

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    • #1117451
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      timinator1
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      it’s about competing against European competition and how we evaluate that success as we project him in the league.

       

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      • #1117454
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        Thenilonator
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         But shouldn’t the fact he’s competing and standing out in the Euroleague, and not the NCAA, enhance his draft position? I mean these Euroleague teams would dominate the college teams and he is at an age where he would be a freshman.

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        • #1117456
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          Guys hit 600 home runs in Japanese baseball too. Probably doesnt make them Giancarlo Stanton.

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          • #1117479
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            Thenilonator
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             That’s my point! Exactly why Luka should be more highly regarded…… oh wait, you do understand Euroleague is a higher level than ncaa right?

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            • #1117480
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              Thenilonator
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               I watched my local Australian nbl team play a preseason game against a full strength UCLA while we were at half  strength, at the very beginning of our preseason  and we towelled them by 35. This team had Ivan rabb and Jaylen Brown play over 35 minutes each. Don’t worry I understand what a Euroleague side would do to us! 

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    • #1117453
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      because of leading teams to the playoffs. The Gasol brothers have done that too, to a lesser degree. I’m hoping he’s great, but in my mind he could be anywhere from Kyle Korver to Joe Johnson, and maybe that’s worth the #2 pick or maybe it’s not. It’s an interesting conversation. 

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  • #1117452
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     Very true, I feel the same way. Everyone hyped Hezonia and Rudy Fernandez so I dont see the hype, but he is very talented. Reminds me of JR Smith allot with a better handle…

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    • #1117457
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       Rudy Fernandez had a much better NBA career than Hezonja has so far despite him choosing to go back to Spain after only a few years in. Fernandez probably would have been a starter for good teams now if he stayed.

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  • #1117461
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     Well he’s putting up elite NBA type stats per minute in the Euroleague. Not many people ever do that despite age. He also did this on Real Madrid an organization that is not known for giving young players extensive minutes and is all buisness during one of thier most successful campaigns in history. They won it all and so did his national team this summer. You can question his athletisism all you want but he did everything else better than its ever been done from a European prospect in the modern era. You also have every NBA player and staff saying he is an amazing talent. 

     

     

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