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- Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 4:46pm #68456

DolanCareParticipantAs the NBA scout class drools over Mo Bamba’s wingspan, it’s become given fact that the big man goes in the top 10. But can someone explain why Bamba should be picked over Robert Williams?
While Bamba’s rididulous measurements make him a better shot blocker, Williams is the better rebounder and perimeter defender. Not to mention Williams willed Texas A&M to impressive wins while Texas routinely disappointed. If I was looking for a 5 in the mid lottery, I would draft Williams over Bamba. Why am I wrong?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 5:13pm #1117322

kobyzParticipantWilliams is a role player at best, not intelligent player, not much feel for the game, you need to define him his task on the court very simpley, doesn’t have own read of the game…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 5:25pm #1117323

KerouacJackParticipantBamba could be an All-NBA talent if he reaches even half of his defensive potential. It would be like drafting Mason Plumlee over Rudy Gobert. Which did happen… but we all know how that turned out.
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 6:04pm #1117329

DolanCareParticipantI’m getting tired of the Rudy Gobert comparisons. Gobert is Bamba’s ceiling. And as dominant as Gobert under the rim, he can be a liability against smaller lineups because he can’t guard the perimeter. Williams can guard the perimeter. The dude covers a ridiculous amount of ground. He blocked jump shots nearly every game at Texas A&M.
0- Posted on: Sun, 05/20/2018 - 5:10am #1117362

KerouacJackParticipantYes it’s an old and tired comparison, I agree. Similar to the Trae Young to Stephen Curry comp that’s thrown around all the time. We all know that’s his absolute best case scenario ceiling that 99/100 times won’t happen. However with Williams you could throw out 25-50 names to compare, he is very good defensively and just plain sucks offensively outside of 3 feet…. but with Bamba there really is no other modern comparison than Gobert because Bamba has legendary otherworldly length. Wilt Chamberlian length. He will alter shots if he raises his arm, he doesn’t even have to jump.
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 5:53pm #1117326

SeattleSuperChronicsParticipantThe only thing separating these two prospects is potential
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 5:56pm #1117328

holefillers1ParticipantQuickest answer, you are not wrong. Bamba has height and length but very little on court intelligence. I saw him constantly out of position for defensive rebounds. He is basically a Floating big who needs to be a monster on the boards to go along with his shot blocking. Williams is pretty much the same thing but his knock is less about inability and more about assertion. IMO Williams is more like Clint Capela with better rim protection while Bamba is a Serge Ibaka type.
If you want to take a chance on Mo Bamba’s development then that’s on you but the dude will probably just float around on offense while giving you some good rim protection. I am not sold on his ability to rebound at a high level in the NBA or switch and guard the perimeter.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 6:22pm #1117331

OhCanada-ParticipantOkay let me explain the difference here excluding wingspan.
Bamba shows more promise offensively. Robert Williams jumpshot has not improved after two years of college basketball. His FT% actually went from 59% as a freshman dropping to 47% as a sophmore this year. His best case scenerio offensively is Clint Capela as a rim running big that attacks offensive glass but even then he would need a great PG to be successful.
Bamba is really impressing people in the predraft process with his iq. Everyone seems enjoy time spent with him because of his character and intelligence. Hes captivating. I heard Bamba he is trying to do as many interveiws as possible to get familiar with his future opponents and get a read on how they think. Hes done 15+ and hes a lock for the top 8 in the draft. Not saying Robert Williams lacks in this department but Mo’s got it for sureand he’s turning heads just like Jaylen Brown did 2 years ago.
Players like Robert Williams are rare in todays NBA but I think they will make a comeback because everyone is getting soft and noone knows how to boxout. I think with Williams you get either Biyambo or Capela time will tell. Still think Bamba is the better prospect.
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 6:31pm #1117332

OhCanada-ParticipantWorst case scenerio with Williams you get Biyambo best case scenerio Capela.
Worst case scenerio with Bamba you get a longer Thon Maker but you could potential end up being Chris Bosh offensively and Rudy Gobert defensively best case scenerio however worst case scenerio is Thon Maker.
So yeah Id say the projections for Bamba are alot better but we’ll see what happens.
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 6:51pm #1117333

DolanCareParticipantI think Bamba’s impressive oratory skills, and mouth dropping wingspan, are blinding people a bit. Bamba is no means a "smart player," he certainly doesn’t have better instincts than Williams. Perhaps Bamba gambles less on defense, but he makes mental errors too.
I agree that Bamba’s ceiling is Gobert and Williams ceiling is Capela. But are we sure that Gobert is a better modern day NBA center than Capela? Gobert is an elite rim protector, though Capela is no slouch in this department. Meanwhile, Capela defends the perimeter and is a better rim roller. I think the same dichotomy applies to our Williams vs. Bamba comparision.
I don’t think either of of these prospects will ever be putting the ball on the floor ala Porzingis or Anthony Davis. They’ll be expected to clean up around the rim and catch lobs. Assuming that’s the case, offensive polish and general playmaking ability ultimately don’t matter.
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 6:56pm #1117334

OhCanada-ParticipantTo sum it up the biggest difference is Bamba hits his free throws and Williams doesnt.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/20/2018 - 4:13pm #1117405
whiteflashParticipantGotta agree with you here. Being well spoken doesn’t equal high basketball IQ. Haven’t seen a ton of Williams, but Bamba is Capela at best, and as a native Houstonian I promise you that Capela would struggle in damn near any other system.
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 10:39pm #1117344

kobyzParticipantWilliams is not Capela at all, he just doesn’t have that competivness and feel, he is not lazy but lack awareness, he has a lot Javell Macgee in him…
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/20/2018 - 6:28am #1117372

KerouacJackParticipantThis might be the best summary on Bamba that I’ve read on any site.
This is in regards to OhCanada’s “ok let me explain” post
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 8:31pm #1117337
RicoParticipantRemember when the Clippers had to take out DeAndre Jordan near the end of close games because of his poor FT shooting? Yeah, it’s a problem when your defensive anchor can’t play during crunch time.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 9:03pm #1117338
The GoatParticipantThe wingspan cant be dismissed just because its his wingspan.. Just standing on court defensively his reach is so long that he buys perimeter defenders half a second of time to cheat .. Thats actually a really big deal. Thats why Utah defend the perimeter well. Williams is worth less immediately for not having the same size and wingspan. If he did, maybe you could argue the other way around as they will have a similar job to do as a 5 offensively. You’d still lose the argument though cos Bamba has a better shot.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/20/2018 - 3:41am #1117356

holefillers1ParticipantWe are comparing these two players head-to-head. Bamba will need to actualize more of his potential in his current draft slot. If Williams slots in at the back end of the lottery to mid first round he is projected more as a backup big to start his career.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/20/2018 - 3:51am #1117357

iguapops420ParticipantRobert Williams is a lazy and has low hoop IQ. Very little skills and is significantly older than Bamba.
Bamba moves his feet defensively, can step out and guard the perimeter on switches (needs a lot of development here still) and guard the paint better than anyone in the country. He’s not a great rebounder, but a lot of that has to do with his tall frame and skinny base. If you look at his build though, he actually has some serious muscle definition which seems like he will be able to add strength just like Giannis did.
Everyone.acts as if Bambas main upside is Gobert, but honestly to me that’s his average. You’re talking about a guy who IMO could protect the paint like Rudy, move around like he’s Tyson Chandler, finish lobs like he’s Dwight Howard, and hit the three like he’s Myles Turner.
His low end? Clint Capella.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/20/2018 - 4:56am #1117361

HitsterParticipantIf you question why Williams isn’t as high as Bamba, you could ask why isn’t Williams as high as JJ, Carter even Bagley etc?
Bamba in my opinion has way more upside he could be a guy who makes a team alter the shots they take, Williams is more an old school big who may crash the boards etc. Williams is still a good player but I had hoped he could push on by staying another year in college and become one of the top 3 bigs in this year’s draft. That is unlikely to happen now.
Still I think he’ll go well inside the top 20 possibly inside lottery level. Clippers with two picks in his range if they want a big could well snap him up.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/20/2018 - 6:16am #1117369
bdiddy5115ParticipantBamba actually has the lowest % of his shots assisted of all the top bigs in this class, which is interesting to note, because his offensive "rawness" is nitpicked the most of all the top bigs — when he had far fewer shots spoonfed to him on a fairly sparse UT roster (than Ayton, Bagley, JJJ and even Williams too).
Even then, he still had very respectable percentages, and his stroke is natural and improving — which means he will be a strong FT shooter (I see him in the high-70s) and a capable shooter out to 3. Williams is a non-shooter who regressed to sub-50% from the line, and shows very little to suggest that he’ll ever be able to knock down open Js. Add in the size difference to the skill discrepency (Williams being 6’9" to 6’10" with a reported 7’4" wingspan, and Bamba being 7’0" with a record-breaking 7’10" wingspan) and that increases the gap right there.
Lastly, Bamba is an elite rim-protector (not to be confused with shot-blocker), as he did a fantastic job of staying out of foul-trouble for a guy his age/size. He stays vertical, and can contest shots later than other bigs because of his ridiculous reach. Williams is more of a weak-side shot-blocker than a true rim-protector at this stage.
This isn’t to minimize Williams as a prospect — I think he could be a great modern rim-runner and shot-blocker, especially on a team with a strong PG. I just think Bamba is on a different level as a prospect.
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