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- Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 5:51am #68437
Arc12345ParticipantI was praying the Hawks would land top 2, but we were just short and landed 3rd. And to make things worse, the two teams that love Doncic more than anyone landed ahead of us in the lottery (Phoenix and Sacramento). I think Doncic would’ve been the ideal pick and for us just to run him at PG with Schoreder wanting out. I don’t think there’s anyway we can move up or trade for Doncic though. If we had gotten number 1, I would’ve taken Ayton.
I’m really torn with what we should do. Bagley is probably the BPA, but not sure he completely makes sense with Collins looking like our future at the 4 and a potential star in time (he’s probably the only player I wouldn’t be willing to move at this point). Is Bagley big enough to play the 5 like Horford did for so long? Possibly, but I’m not sure.
I also think we have a long look at MPJ, but with his back surgery that really scares me. Dwight Howard was never the same after his surgery, and speaking from my personal experience, I’d be hesistant to select someone that high with that sort of injury history. I’m not a Jaren Jackson fan. I don’t think he’ll be bad but he doesn’t look like a stud to me. He reminds me of a longer skinnier Tristan Thompson with a jumpshot who I think will be a solid NBA player.
What should the Hawks do with 19 and 30? I think this is a deep draft, and I think you can get a ton of value at the bottom of the lottery. Could we package 19 and 30 to move up to 8-12? It’s possible, especially with the Clippers having two picks at the bottom of the lottery.
We need to nail this draft, especially since it’s the first draft of our rebuild.
Players I like in this draft: Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, Carter Jr, Sexton, Walker.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 6:10am #1117047

220ParticipantWhat the Hawks do at 3 could possibly hinge on how the Front Office views John Collins. If they believe he’s their man at 4 for the future then I doubt they take Bagley. Even Michael Porter Jr at 3 might be questionable depending on his workouts and medical evaluation. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Hawks trade down somewhere in the 4-7 range.
It’s possible the Hawks keep their picks at 19 and 30, but them packaging them to move up is certainly possible if there is a player they’re high on still available. If there isn’t that sort of player available I imagine they stay put. The Hawks are going full rebuild so a lot of rookies will have a shot at minutes next season.
0- Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 6:22am #1117051
Arc12345ParticipantI could see that happening. I’m not a fan of moving down unless we acquire another pick along with it. Don’t think it’s worth it otherwise.
0- Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 7:32am #1117071

220ParticipantI think Atlanta would have to get a good asset in return in my opinion, but not necessarily a pick. If they could get a good player still on their rookie deal or perhaps a future first round pick with a team who seems unlikely to get out or the lottery it could be worth it.
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 6:47am #1117058
cominup7ParticipantIf I’m ATL i’m taking Bagley, no question. They need a #1 go to scorer in a bad way, and no one else has that type of potential unless they trade down for either Trae Young, Wendell Carter or Colin Sexton
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 6:59am #1117062

HobbyOGParticipantReports out of Atlanta they love MB. Not sold on John Collins as a franchise player. I could see them trading Dennis Schroder to the suns for pick #16.
Hawks on MB
basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249897/Marvin-Bagley-Would-Be-An-Easy-Choice-For-Hawks-At-No-3
DS wants out of Atlanta
nypost.com/2018/05/15/hawks-star-demands-trade-after-going-full-millennial/
19th pick may Anfrene Simmons (if they trade DS) need a young PG
30th Pick Josh Okogie, he really impressed the Hawks in his workout. Good scorer, which they need. Not saying he should be the pick but he plays like a Hawk and the Hawks always pick "diffrent"
0- Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 7:35am #1117073
Arc12345ParticipantI also love Okogie and he measured in phenomenally (7 foot wingspan).
Extremely underrated guard playing at GT. Plus he’s a GA boy.
0- Posted on: Fri, 05/18/2018 - 6:17am #1117198
hawkmanParticipantI really hope Okogie stays under the radar. The kid is a 1st Round talent that nobody is talking about because he missed the first few games of the season due to suspension(improper benefits). There’s no excuse for the Hawks not to know about him so I hope they use his relative anonymity to their advantage and get him at #30. He has a Donovan “Mitchellesque” game and would fit right in at SG for the Hawks.
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 7:20am #1117068

kobyzParticipantBagley, can’t pass on him, too talanted and sure thing, but good chance he goes number 2…
0- Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 7:34am #1117072
Arc12345ParticipantThere’s no way Bagley is moving ahead of Ayton or Doncic on Phoenix or Sacramento’s board.
Any other team and I think you have an arguement, but with the draft order as it stands, Ayton and Doncic will go 1-2 (in what order, nobody is completely certain), but those two will be gone for sure.
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 7:29am #1117070

theEDGEParticipantWith pick 3 go for Bagley or Jackson jr.
The other first rounders I would use on a PG and a SG.
If Schröder is traded to the Bucks it might include Bledsoe, if it’s the Pacers it could net them Joseph or Collison.
They could go for Troy Brown and Trevon Duval, but I don’t know how good Brown’s PG skills are.
If they’re good a backcourt of Bledsoe and Brown could work with Duval and Bazemore/Bembry as back-ups.
The second rounder you could go for a back-up big in case Dedmon leaves, otherwise take the BPA.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 8:11am #1117081

timinator1Participant…Brunson from Villanova at 30 if he’s still there, he’d be a great fit.
0- Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 1:10pm #1117129
The GoatParticipantThe Warriors will take Brunson if he’s still there.
0- Posted on: Fri, 05/18/2018 - 4:42am #1117195

timinator1Participant…with the development of Quinn Cook. I’d rather see the Dubs grab a scorer or an athlete…maybe Grayson Allen, maybe Donte D, maybe Theo Pinson, maybe DeVonte Graham
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 8:25am #1117083
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantI don’t like the fit of playing Collins and bagley together in the frontcourt at all. I think you only take bagley if you would be willing to trade Collins.
A lot of people view jaren Jackson as the safe pick here. However, I’m not really sure the hawks are in the position to play it safe or if Jackson is necessarily that “safe” of an overall pick to begin with.
I can’t help but look at mo bamba and see his massive wingspan and mobility. He has physical gifts that very few human beings on the planet possess and his upside is potentially as strong as any player in this draft. Sure, he’s raw on offense but he has potential to be an impact player on that end as well. He may be a bit of a gamble but if your really looking for a foundational piece, I think the potential reward is hard to ignore.
There are other options to consider as well such as porter or even young, but I think they should take a serious look at bamba with this pick.
0- Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 10:33am #1117096
Arc12345ParticipantNot saying Mo Bamba will turn into Thabeet by any means, but that was the same talk about Thabeet. He ended doing next to nothing in the NBA and being a huge bust.
0- Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 12:44pm #1117118
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantI think that’s a poor comparison. Bamba is more mobile and more advanced offensively than thabeet was at a younger age. Thabeet was strictly a rim protector and back to basket guy with a very limited offensive game. He couldn’t defend at all in space and came into the league at the wrong time. I’m not sure how good bamba will ultimately be, but I’m pretty certain his career will not mirror thabeet.
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 2:40am #1117260
Arc12345ParticipantI don’t think they’re alike at all.
All I’m saying is, people are raving about his measurables and potential more so than his actual play on the court. The same thing was done with Thabeet. I’m not a fan of project picks.
If you didn’t dominate or show VERY obvious flashes of greatness against the competition at a lower level, it’s pretty unlikely you’ll dominate in the pros.
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 9:08am #1117086

MooooseParticipantJust like Phoenix, Atlanta could be looking at possibilities of trading down / up. Even before the lottery, I was thinking maybe these two teams could help each other out come draft night.
Ayton sure looks like a good fit for Phoenix, but so does Doncic, and even Bagley who is a local from Phoenix. There is a slight gap talent-wise, but if Phoenix can get future first rounders and some nice young pieces back for this year’s first pick, it would be just as good, IMO. On the other hand, Atlanta can capitalize on Schroder declaring himself available, package that with the 3rd pick and try to get higher or lower, depending on the offers.
As a response to the topic, barring any trades, I think Bagley would be the ideal BPA pick at No. 3. But if the Hawks are looking to address a positional need, Bamba would make more sense. Though I doubt Atlanta will resort with the latter.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 12:06pm #1117111
The GoatParticipantCollins and Bagley will work as the 4/5 combo. Bagley carries the offense, Collins more of a rim runner and alive as a pogo stick on the offensive glass. They can both get out and run, and while they are not All NBA defenders, they are long and mobile enough to defend any 4/5 combo in the league, inside and out. Its a no brainer for the Hawks if you ask me.
The picks at 19 and 30 are different. They can try and fill out their roster with guys on rookie contracts but there will be teams that would have interest trading back. You can usually get better talent in return compared to what history tells us you have the chance to pick up in the 15-30 range. If Atlanta likes someone in particular, they could make a move. I think they should send Schroder to Phoenix for 16 with view that either Gilgeous Alexander or Sexton drops. If they dont believe those guys would be available, there will definitely be trade interest, whether they get 16 and shop that too or just shop their 2 current first rounders.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 12:27pm #1117114

Andv1 WaitingParticipantIt all depends on if you believe that there will be a good player at 3 to what you do..
So Luka D could pull a Ricky Rubio forcing him to slide to 3.If he is legit thinking staying over there and not doing it so his team focuses on the game at hand..
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Bagley could be there at 3 if the Kings pass on him.
The wild card would be Ayton sliding to 3 but that is the least likely of the 3 though.
Me personally if Bagley or other players they are considering doesn’t blow them away both in the interview or Workout I would consider trading down and gaining multiple assets. Teams that could spring to mind: Cavs-8th and some of their young pieces like Rodney hood,Larry Nance and a future protected first ,Mavs Barnes and their pick for 3rd,30th and an average deal. Orlando their pick and A gordon for 3rd and something else. Just to name a few moves they could look at..
Then trade the 19th and 30th for either future picks or try package up and at least get up to the 12-15 range.No way they get in the top 10 with trading just those two picks and not taking a bad contract bad.
However if they believe in their scouting team they could end up taking all 3 picks…As they could see how L.A did last year with their 3 picks and want to follow that model a little bit. My guess would be you take A big,A Forward and a Guard what order though would be decided by what is their come draft time.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/17/2018 - 1:17pm #1117131
2quick4uParticipant.Pick nº3: M.Bamba
.Pick nº19: Khyri Thomas/Jalen Brunson
.Pick nº30: D.Divincenzo/G.Trent Jr./Jerome Robinson
.Pick nº33: S.Mykhailiuk/Malik Newman/Grayson Allen
*Trade D.Shroder and K.Bazemore
0 - Posted on: Fri, 05/18/2018 - 5:30am #1117196

kobyzParticipantPick 3: Bagley – best chance left for a franchise player
Pick 19: Musa – after not getting Duncic who gone at 2, going with much talk and talanted euro wing on his own right
Pick 30: Brunson – maybe a corner stone at the lead guard, should feel secure to trade Dennis Schruder
0 - Posted on: Fri, 05/18/2018 - 6:46am #1117201

Evan_MilbergParticipantI think John Collins is their PF of the future. My guess is they take Bagley at 3 and try to flip him for a future pick and a young center (someone like Gorgui Dieng or Zach Collins), or trade down to get Bamba.
For their other first round picks, I think they should take the best guard available, whether it’s a PG or SG. I think 19 is a bit high for Brunson, but if they don’t think he’ll be there at 30 I don’t see a problem taking him earlier. I also think they could take a flyer on a combo guard like Troy Brown or Anfernee Simons.
At 30, if they’ve already addressed the guard and center positions, they should consider adding depth at SF. I like Taurean Prince as a long-term starter for them, but Bembry has been injured and inconsistent. Someone like Chandler Hutchison or Keita Bates-Diop could be good fits.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 3:43am #1117262

HitsterParticipantThe first thing for the Hawks to sort out is what they do with Schroeder, he was considered the cornerstone of any rebuild along with getting the high pick this year right. But if he wants out then they have a potential PG gap and a lot would depend on what assets they get back be it talent or draft picks.
At 3rd pick if we assume Doncic and Ayton have gone by then as seems current consensus, I figure they will look to get all the next batch of bigs behind Ayton in plus Porter, Young and even Sexton to have a good look at.
John Collins had a very good debut season but with Dedmon possibly moving on at C then I would not disconsider anyone as they may not be able to play alongside Collins. The Hawks are a 24-58 team and need talent, there is 96 frontcourt minutes and Collins isn’t locked in like say a real hot shot roookie is. He looks a good player but not good enough you may pass on BPA who goes on to be an All Star.
This idea may affect Bagley the most who I think can play some C and in a modern NBA I would think a decent coaching staff could teach Collins and Bagley to play together. JJJ is very much in the same situation as Bagley as regards playing with Collins but I wouldn’t discount either.
Carter can play both PF/C and whilst not the biggest upside pick he could be the safest. He is compared to Al Horford ironically taken at 3 by Hawks back in 07. But forgetting thast if they think he would be a smooth fit alongside Collins then he comes into the mix especially as he is a high character guy. Plus if his draft range may be more 5 to 7 then there will be teams who would like Bagley and JJJ who may want to trade up. Throw in Schroeder trade talk and the Hawks could get more assets.
Bamba may be a bit risky but he could be the best defensive guy of the bigs and again trade down might be on.
Porter could play around Prince and Collins so gives flexability and could be the scorer they need if Schroder does move.
Young would certainly come into the mix if Schroder does move and I’d only consider Sexton in this instance but in today’s 3 point fest NBA and powerful backcourts then taking Young if Schroder did stay cannot be dismissed. Young could play off ball, stretching the court and allowing openings for others etc.
Musa is a good International prospect and could be stashed at 19 or brought along slowly. If they don’t take a legit C at 3 then Mitchell Robinson at 19 could be an option. Also if other talent falls then a lot can change at that point in the draft.
At 30th and 34th it is very much BPA but I could certainly see them looking for a trade up if they did select someone at 19 who they wouldn’t stash. Unless they take a stasher here. Lakers at 25 may be looking to conserve FA space so may trade down to get lesser and none guaranteed deals.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 11:12am #1117291

kobyzParticipantis #19 + John Collins is enough to move up Hawks to #7, i hope Hawks could make that trade and then draft both Bagley and Carter jr with #3 and #7, then with #30 and #34 draft Greyson Allen and Duval respectively, hell of a draft day!
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 11:43am #1117296

ZachAttackParticipantIf Chicago fell in love with a top prospect and calls offering #7, #22, and a 2nd round pick next year for #3. Would you take it?
I think that Atlanta needs to trade down if Doncic or Ayton doesn’t fall to them. Nobody else seems to really fit. This year’s draft is big man heavy and John Collins looks pretty solid. It wouldn’t surprise me if they reached for Trae Young, but I think they could get him at 7 if they wanted to.
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 12:22pm #1117300

kobyzParticipantthe Problem with Collins he’s not quite a 4 and thin and not long enough as a 5, i’m not sold on him as future starter…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/19/2018 - 12:27pm #1117301

OhCanada-ParticipantIm gonna offer that deal to RobbC in your mock draft so he can take Porter and I can take whoevers left.
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