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- Posted on: Mon, 04/09/2018 - 8:18am #68241
SwatLakeCityParticipantI know this sounds crazy, but stay with me on this. This isn’t the first time I’ve made a post like this.
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/more-accurate-donovan-mitchell-comparison
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/more-accurate-donovan-mitchell-comparison
Not suprisingly, I’ve gotten negative responses about this. And the naysayers do have some valid points to be fair, but I still stand by what I have said.
Mitchell’s stat line yesterday against the Lakers was 28 pts, 9 boards, and 8 assists. To put this into perspective, lets look at the stat lines from this year of some of the top point guards in today’s NBA:
- Russell Westbrook- 25.6 pts, 10.1 assists, 9.8 boards
- Damian Lillard- 26.8 pts, 6.6 assists, 4.5 boards
- Kyrie Irving- 24.4 pts, 5.1 assists, 3.8 boards
- John Wall- 19.2 pts, 9.5 assists, 3.6 boards
- James Harden- 30.6 pts, 8.7 assists, 5.4 boards
- Chris Paul- 18.6 pts, 7.9 assists, 5.4 boards
- Steph Curry-26.4 pts, 6.1 assists, 5.1 boards
His final stat line yesterday was right in line with some of the top guards in today’s NBA! This isn’t the first time Mitchell has posted a stat line similar to the one he did last night.
- Nov. 17th vs the Nets 15pts, 8 assists, 7 boards
- Jan. 19th vs the Knicks 17 pts, 7 assists, 4 boards
- Jan. 20th vs the Clippers 23 pts, 7 assists, 5 boards
- Feb. 2nd vs the Suns 40 pts, 5 boards, 6 assists
- Feb. 14th vs the Suns 24 pts, 7 assists, 4 boards
- Mar. 25th vs the Warriors 21 pts, 6 assists, 2 boards
- April 5th vs the Clippers 19 pts, 5 boards, 5 assists
His stat line for his rookie season is this: 20.5 points, 3.7 assists, 3.7 boards. Rookies who are of the caliber of Mitchell tend to increase their stat lines over the course of their time in the NBA, because they have improved over the years. Sometimes they make a big jump in a particular category or two due to team circumstances and/or some huge improvements to their game over the offseason. So to say that Mitchell will never improve his assists or boards numbers over his time in the league is not only innacurrate, but it doesn’t reflect what players of Mitchell’s caliber tend to do over the course of their careers. And it pays major disrespect to Mitchell and what we know he can do. I think all of you can agree with me when I say that Mitchell will be a star in the NBA in the next 5-10 years, and possibly sooner.
I’m not saying Mitchell will be a point guard tomorrow, or even next season, but I am saying that it will happen eventually. Mark my words, and look back on this post in 2 or 3 years, and many of you will see that I was right on this one.
To further prove my point, the Jazz’s current starting point guard Ricky Rubio signed a two year contract over the summer with the Jazz. So that contract will be up after next season. I don’t think the Jazz will bring him back in the 2019-2020 season. They still might, but they will still be forming their team around their two star players in Rudy Gobert and now Donovan Mitchell just as they started to when they traded Rodney Hood and Joe Johnson for Jae Crowder around the trade deadline and will continue to do this offseason.
They have an improving guard off the bench in Dante Exum who made strides over the summer. Unfortunately he got injured in the pre-season and was out for most of this season. But he has now come back over the past 2-3 weeks to end this season. He has been coming off the bench so far, but he has been a huge spark off that bench, and will continue to be huge spark for the Jazz in the upcoming playoffs. The Jazz will re-sign him this offseason and he will again prove naysayers wrong and keep improving, once again showing how much of an improvement he made this summer in his game. The Jazz will have to recognize that the year that they re-sign Rubio (if they decide to do so). So its very possible that if the Jazz re-sign Rubio in the 2019-2020 season he will be coming off the bench! (Which is why I think Rubio will not stay in Utah after his contract is up next season)
So I don’t think its out of the question to say that Mitchell will be the Jazz starting point guard by the 2019-2020 season, which would be Mitchell’s 3rd year in the NBA!
0 - Posted on: Mon, 04/09/2018 - 9:02am #1114936

nitestalParticipantTo me he’s more of a scoring guard, like a D-Wade type with a 3-pt shot, than a pg in my opinion. He’s a great playmaker for others, but I think he excels when he’s in attack mode. I’d expect him to eventually have avg numbers more a shooting guard…like 28 5 5. But he’s multi-faceted so he can play either position. I’d expect as he grows over the years, the Jazz will specifically run the offense through him.
0- Posted on: Mon, 04/09/2018 - 9:54am #1114941
whiteflashParticipantThis. He can play pg in spot duty, but he’s a natural 2 and asking him to be your full time floor general takes away his strengths and amplifies his weaknesses. Basically, he’s a combo guard who’s 80% two.
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- Posted on: Mon, 04/09/2018 - 9:52am #1114940
BeastMode716ParticipantWhile ALL the Lakers starters & Gobert & Rubio were on the bench for the ENTIRE 4th Qtr in last night’s game
And D.Micth is out there Grinding for a Triple Dub against D Leaguers like Travis Wear, Tomas Bryant, Zubac, Gary Payton II
I’m a Lakers fan & it infuriated me this dude is running it up against our Deepest Reserves playing close to 40 Min when NONE of our starters played More than 25 min
And in Phila Simmons is sitting out Every 4th Qtr this year when they Way ahead — Simmons could Easily have 25+ Triple Dubs this year if he was running it up
I like Micthell’s game but he is Not a point guard – he’s a 43% FG% & a 33% 3pt% — he’s having a fantastic Rookie Campaign but Mitchell is taking 17+ shots per game – to put that in perspective Gordon Hayward in 8 seasons NEVER avg more than 15 shots per game & Micthell Avg 3 assists & 2 Turnovers per game – he aint no point guard bro
Simmons is having a Top 10 MVP vote getting campaign – We’ve had a chance to see Both Mitchel & Simmons play WITHOUT their All Star Centers Embiid & Gobert. W/O Gobert the Jazz were Hott Garbage & under .500 & w/o Embiid, Simmons is playing even Better!
W/ the #3 seed on the line, Simmons going toe to toe w/ Lebron the other night & putting up 27 pts 13 reb & 15 ast w/ 2 turn overs against Lebron – in a Massive important game when Lebron went Crazy for 44 pts 11 reb & 11 ast & Simmons Dunked on Lerbon & Started him down & took that game
That was it for me — I Luv D. Mitch – he’s gonna be a great scorer for a Long time but Simmons is a bigger, longer, Freak athlete version of Magic 2.0
0- Posted on: Mon, 04/09/2018 - 10:37am #1114945

nitestalParticipantNot sure why you are so upset. The Jazz needed to secure a win…they aren’t gonna put their third string in when it’s a 10-15 point game with 5+ minutes left and jeapordize their chance at securing a playoff spot (they weren’t in the playoffs yet).
And….not sure how this turned into a Mitchell vs. Simmons debate?..
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- Posted on: Mon, 04/09/2018 - 11:41am #1114950
JDB12ParticipantIdk, we all thought Curry was a natural 2 coming into the league and didn’t think he was gonna be the passer he’s become, but he has made himself into a point guard. I think Mitchell is talented and smart enough to do it. But when you have Rubio and Gobert on your team you have to score, score, score to make up for their lack of scoring. So I think given the right situation, he could be a solid shoot-first primary ball-handler.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 04/09/2018 - 4:46pm #1114977
SwatLakeCityParticipantI’m not saying his scoring will go down over the years because he switches to mainly point guard. Nor am I saying that he will only play point guard by the time he reaches his 3rd year in the league. I actually agree that he is a scoring guard. There is a such thing as a point guard who does most of the scoring for their team. Look at Westbrook and Harden, they are scoring guards yet they also average a bunch of assists. Westbrook is actually close to averaging a triple double, so that proves that he can do a lot more than just score. So can Mitchell. I just don’t know how you can ignore the other stats such as assists and boards and only see his scoring. That’s just one aspect of his game. He can do much more. By doing that you are disrespecting the other things he can do and putting him into a category. You are stereotyping him. I do think Mitchell will play shooting guard several times in his career. I even expect him to do so after his third year in the league. But I also expect his averages in boards and assists to really improve after his 3rd season, because he will shift to playing PG a lot more. We are only seeing a small sample of the player he will be right now. He is not done developing. It sounds that’s what a lot of you have concluded. He’s a scoring guard and that’s all he can do, just score, maybe average a few assists and boards here and there but he will mainly score. Do you realize how small and shallow minded that sounds?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 04/09/2018 - 5:00pm #1114979
SwatLakeCityParticipantTo those of you that argue that playing Mitchell solely at PG would take away his strengths and amplify his weaknesses, you are just looking at he has done this year. He has had to do most of not all of the scoring for his team. Look at the situation he is in. Gobert doesn’t a lot of scoring. This team was built around Gobert when Mitchell was first drafted. The jazz had lost their two main scorers from last year in Hayward and George Hill. For the first half of the season, it looked like the people who had been saying the Jazz couldn’t score enough points to win games were actually right. So what do you expect Mitchell to do. Of course he’s going to score. He’s always been asked to do that. But over this entire season he has also been asked to do more than score. Which is why you see him getting multiple boards and assists in each game. He has facilitated a lot more in his rookie season than his stats lead many to believe.
If you really think about it, what do teams ask their point guards to do? They ask them to pass, rebound, score, play good D. Mainly, they ask them to facilitate the offense. Usually this looks like a lot of passing, but it’s more than just that, it’s running the offense, making the right decisions, and knowing when to score or be aggressive and when to let other players do that instead. That’s what I’m saying Mitchell will be in the future, he will facilitate the offense. I’m not saying he’s going to average 9 assists per game by his 3rd season. It will still gradually improve, but over the course of his career we will see Mitchell running the offense more than just looking to score.
0- Posted on: Mon, 04/09/2018 - 5:25pm #1114980
whiteflashParticipantHe’s literally never played pg at ANY LEVEL. He doesn’t have the natural instincts to play the 1, or even be the primary ball handler. He’s best as a spot-up guy who can attack when needed. He’s turbo Ben Gordon, not Damian Lillard.
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- Posted on: Mon, 04/09/2018 - 9:11pm #1114985

MopgrassParticipantFirst post? Rookie mistake. It should be twice this long.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/10/2018 - 4:00am #1114998
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantMy guess is he will eventually develop into the type of player that will handle the ball and facilitate the offense while also being the primary scoring weapon. Whether he is officially listed as the one or two is kind of irrelevant. What position does James harden play? Or a prime d-wade? Or lebron for that matter? None of these guys are officially listed as a point guard but all basically function as the point guard for their team.
While I definitely do not expect him to develop into a traditional pg in Stockton/cp3 sense and lead the league in assists, I do expect him to be the primary playmaker and facilitator and the guy who will have the ball in his hands in crunch time. He is already doing it now.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/10/2018 - 8:52am #1115022
SwatLakeCityParticipantDazzling Dunks, this is what I’ve been trying to tell people all along. But people just seem to be to caught up in the traditional pg of CP3/John Stockton that they can’t see a scorer such as Mitchell playing that position. But there are many types of point guards and all have proved just as valuable for their respective teams. Point guards come in all shapes and sizes. But there is not one shape or size or playing style that a point guard has to have in order to be a point guard. It all depends on the team, and what they want or works best for them. Donovan is doing already doing the things that I would classify as being a point guard. So to say that he has never played PG before at any level and therefore can’t do it in the nba, while that may be true it is disregarding what he doing so well with right now with the Jazz. I know he hasn’t played PG at any level but then I watch him play as a jazz fan and seeing him do all things that I would classify as being a point guard, that I just can’t deny it. And for that reason I can feel it in my gut that eventually people will classify him as a point guard just as they do Steph Curry, Damian Lillard, Russell Westbrook, James Harden as point guards even though in the truest sense they are all scoring guards.
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