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- Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 11:57am #6702

IndianaBasketballParticipantI’m laughing hysterically right now! There is talk about the Indiana Pacers doing a sign and trade with Boston for Marquise Daniels. A few days ago, I JOKINGLY said that Brian Scalabrine better not be included in the deal! I’ve capitalized the parts in the following article, which will explain why I’m laughing… You all know why I’m laughing!
Daniels commits to Celtics
By Frank Dell’Apa
Globe Staff / July 18, 2009Free agent Marquis Daniels has committed to signing with the Celtics, according to a league source.
Daniels, a 28-year-old guard/forward, will receive the biannual exception contract worth $1.9 million, unless a sign-and-trade deal can be worked out.
Daniels, expected to be a backup for Ray Allen and Paul Pierce, averaged 13.6 points and 4.6 rebounds last season for Indiana. The Pacers declined their option on Daniels, which would have been worth $7.35 million next season.
Daniels, who started his career in Dallas, had also been talking with the Mavericks, Charlotte, Houston, New York, and Orlando.
FORWARD BRIAN SCALABRINE HAS BEEN MENTIONED AS PART OF A POSSIBLE SIGN-AND-TRADE SETUP, which would allow the Celtics to pay Daniels more than the $1.9 million he would receive as an unrestricted free agent. SCALIBRINE, ENTERING THE FINAL YEAR OF HIS CONTRACT, WILL EARN $3.5 MILLION NEXT SEASON.
Daniels, who is 6 feet 6 inches and 200 pounds, played in 54 games (43 starts) last season. He missed several games because of a groin injury, then was limited by a right wrist injury late in the season. Daniels averaged 31.5 minutes per game and set career highs in scoring and rebounding.
Daniels is best suited at shooting guard or small forward, but can also fill in at point guard as well.
Daniels, born in Jasper, Fla., grew up near Amway Arena in Orlando and hoped to play for the Magic. Daniels was undrafted after graduating from Auburn University with a sociology degree, joining Dallas as a free agent and playing for the Mavericks for three seasons, often as a backup to point guard Steve Nash. In 2006, Dallas traded Daniels to Indiana for Austin Croshere.
Frank Dell’Apa can be reached at [email protected].
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sheltwon3ParticipantThis is funny because everyone knows that Larry Bird is signing as many white players as he can. It is so obvious and funny at the same time. I don’t think he is racist of anything but I think he is caught up in the days when there were more white players on teams.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 12:04pm #184558

Knicksboy34ParticipantLOL
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 12:04pm #184559

llperezBird would have had to pay Daniels almost 8 mill next year, so letting him go is the best option. Scalibrine is in the final year of his contract, so it’s not like a major commitment. And at this point, it is just a rumor anyways. Last I checked, he just signed Earl Watson yesterday, but that does’nt matter, right?
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 12:06pm #184561

sheltwon3ParticipantEarl Watson only because there was not making good white point guards to pick up.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 12:10pm #184564

llperezyou can find a reason to explain anybody he signs. Watson was only signed because there are no good backup white pg’s. Hibbert and Rush were drafted because there were’nt any good white players available. They traded for tj ford because Nesterovic was included. Granger is only the team because they can’t trade him for Nowitzky. You guys are funny.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 12:16pm #184569
doubledribblerParticipantI think if the Pacers did this, it would be to purely help out Daniels. After all, he just lost a ton of cash form having his contract terminated. I doubt the Celtics are pushing for this anyways. I think they will be using Scalibrine for a trade later on down the road. Besides if they REALLY wanted to help the guy out they could have just not messed with his contract and let it expire after the season.
It would be funny though if Larry Bird was able to acquire every white American player in the NBA. He’s still not a racist though. I think like most people, he wants to see someone that looks like him doing well (i.e., the billions of Yao fans and Casspi and the Israelis).
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 12:17pm #184572

Knicksboy34Participantdid i not post a month ago? Are the Pacers too white? I guess they think Saclabrine will “contribute” LOL
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 12:17pm #184573

IndianaBasketballParticipantLol… I’m not saying anything… It’s just funny. I mean, I think it’s a good move. Scalabrine will fit right in with Bird, Dunleavy, Murphy, Hansbrough, Foster, Diener, Nesterovic and McRoberts! A bunch of slow footed white guys! Wow… I have no problem with these guys, but all of them on ONE roster? DAMN!!!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 12:21pm #184578
doubledribblerParticipantYeah, I agree that everyone only points out when he signs white players. I do it just as a joke. I truly think he picks guys based on personality and playing ability. When he got to Indiana the team was mostly black. He didn’t blow that team up because he wanted to, but because he had to. It so happened that the teams that were willing to trade for those high risk players had good players (that happened to be white) that were getting overpaid. If anyone had been paying attention they would have noticed that he was considering Ramon Sessions for the team.
Realistically one team has more white players than others. So what. If someone really cares about that stuff and makes a big deal about it, then maybe they are racist. It’s all about the W’s with Larry Bird.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 12:24pm #184581

MagikKnickParticipantEx-Players turned into GMs = Bad Idea
Michael Jordan + Adam Morrison + Kwame Brown = Fail
Joe Dumars + Trading Chauncey Billups over Rip, Sheed, Prince = Fail
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Larry Bird + 1st pick overall in 2010 = Selecting COLE ALDRICH over JOHN WALL
lmao
0- Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 12:26pm #184584
doubledribblerParticipantJerry West = Amazing
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- Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 12:25pm #184583
doubledribblerParticipantThe thing that gets me is that the Pacers as a whole have no real athletes at all. That is probably the strangest thing about the team. Look at Hibbert, Rush, Granger, now Watson as well. TJ Ford is probably their best athlete, but that doesn’t say much and he has absolutely nobody to run with. How can a team in the NBA in 2009 have not at least one outstanding athlete. Maybe the Pacers will be the first NBA team to move to Europe where they can keep up a little better.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 12:28pm #184588

llperezI seem to be alone on this, but I’ll argue anyways. I just think the NBA transcends race. Bird was always respected by other black players(except detroit). He makes moves to win, not be white. Look at that group of guys you just listed:
Dunleavy & Murphy can both ball. They are arguably the second and third options on that team. They traded SJackson and Harrington because they were poor public images and the fans got sick of it. Jackson was aressted for shooting his gun out side a club after he was given a second chance after the brawl. Harrington was asking to be traded.
Hansbrough was the best player available. Other teams were talking about taking him earlier, and he showed why in the sumer league
Foster was on the team before Bird took over. Plus he is athletic and plays good d.
Diener hardly counts because he is a third stringer who never sees the court.
Nesterovic is not expected back, even though TJ ford has been publicly lobbying for Bird to resign him.
And McRoberts is a young project who may or not make the team.
The team is still primarily black, and if you guys are gonna keep hinting at Bird putting together a white team, then don’t beat around the bush and just come out and say it, you think he is a racist, because that is what this is really about.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 12:29pm #184589

IndianaBasketballParticipantLMFAO!!! No… He’s going to take Luke Harangody over Wall!!!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 12:36pm #184597

IndianaBasketballParticipantI mean, I at least thought the sign and trade would be for Walker, Pruitt or somebody a little more athletic (well A LOT more compared to Scalibrine). Our team needs athletes. I’m not saying Larry Bird is racist, but this is funny as hell.
llperez22… I hear what you’re saying bro… I really do, but this is funny. I don’t think Bird is racist… I just think he overvalues average white players.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 1:13pm #184651

Meditated StatesParticipantThis topic got heated last time lol. Here we go again. Bird doing that shady business that sparks up debate lol. Bird was GM for the C’s for 2 drafts and took Eric Montross one year lol.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 1:23pm #184660

llperezAre you sure he was the GM for the C’s when they took Montross and Earl? That is the first time I’ve ever heard that.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 1:37pm #184681
da gurularry bird just hooking his white brothers up
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 2:16pm #184694

Meditated StatesParticipantThose pics were his. Yup he took Earl too. He did not stay with the team long after that. He was the special assistant in terms of title your right not the GM llperez22. He was the guy they were listening to in terms of player personnel though. He said why we picked the guys and I they called both player his pics.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 2:25pm #184730

llperezBird screwed up on those two. But I’ve always had the feeling that there are multiple people involved in the picks for any team. I read that Jordan really wanted to go with Brook Lopez over DJ Augustine last draft, but that Larry Brown swayed the team towards DJ.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 2:54pm #184751
notacowParticipantI always thought of Bird as a much better coach than GM, since I wasn’t very impressed by his ability to choose good players. He seems better at evaluating them when he’s been around them for a while or played with them, but not from a distance. It’s a bit baffling. He’s like the mirror image of Isiah Thomas.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 3:04pm #184757

llperezi have defended Bird in terms of the race thing, but I can’t really defend his abilities as a GM. But give Indiana a chance, ever since bird took over, he has to deal with the suspensions, Artest demanding a trade, injuries to key players like Jermaine Oneal, inconsistent play from the pg position, and last year, Granger was basically sitting out or playing injured from the all-star game on and Dunleavy missed basically the whole season. I’m not readt to write off Bird yet as a gm. That job takes time.
Isiah was hands down the worst GM I’ve ever seen, so I would’nt even begin to compare them. Thomas was given a blank check and told to do whatever he wanted and he spent more oney then anybody in the league on guys like Curry, Marbury, Francis, Jerome James, Malik Rose, Jamal Crawford, Jared Jeffries, to name a few. He also gave Larry Brown the highest salary in the history of coaches and said less then a year later that they were never on the smae page before firing him. And got into a sexual harrasment suit with an employee.
That’s pretty rough to throw Bird into that same category at this point.
0- Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 3:36pm #184769
notacowParticipantWhen I mentioned Isiah, I meant that he seems to have a knack for finding gems in the draft, but is a bad coach.
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- Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 3:11pm #184761
doubledribblerParticipantIf it ends up being a sign and trade they should at least get Walker back. Going back to Scalibrine…him and Brian Cardinal must be clones of each other…
I actually like a lot of the Pacer’s players both black and white, they would just all be better if they weren’t on the same team. Murphy would look really nice playing with a dominate low post scorer. Dunleavy would be an excellent 6th man. TJ Ford on a running team…
Bird was an excellent coach. I actually wished that he had kept coaching longer. His teams were really competitive and played well. Larry Bird the GM, not so much. He’s really struggled to bring in good young talent, but I think think their team is better than what you see night in and out. They play extremely hard, they are just having problems staying healthy. They probably could have competed for the 8th spot if they had been healthier. Hopefully Dunleavy can make a recovery because he’s a big part of what they do.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 3:35pm #184768

Meditated StatesParticipantF(cked up cause Brooke would have changed the course of that Franchise. It would be nice for Okafor to move over to the PF because that is what I feel he is.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2009 - 3:38pm #184770

llperezagreed. Augustin will be a quality pg, but he might not beat out Felton for awhile. Lopez can become an all-star center, and those don’t come around very often.
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