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  • #66199
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    mds0549
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     Lonzo Ball is waiting for the draft and his dad is getting turned down by every shoe company because he is trying to revolutionize the industry while making it very clear that he’s more focused on money than success.  I’m wondering if any team would shy away from Lonzo if they think the team doesn’t have the leadership in place to keep his dad from being a negative influence.  The Chino Hills coach just got fired after a 30-3 season but high school sports is a far cry from the NBA.  For example, this wasn’t a problem when Kobe was on the Lakers but, if they end up with him who’s going to keep him reigned in.  Walton is a second year coach and the team doesn’t have the kind of management to keep the Ball family in line.  As a T-Wolves fan I would hate to see that kind of distraction on the team just like I wanted the Vikings to stay away from Manzell, Tebow and Manti Te’o. 

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  • #1096468
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     time will tell, but i dont see teams staying away from him becasue of his dad. Lonzo has hired an outside agency to handle all his contract stuff so that wont be an issue. I also dont think his fathers coments will distract too much becasue reality is lonzo will be going through his own up and downs and even bad nba teams have veterans and strong locker room guys to keep the team focused and all reports are that lonzo is a tremndous kid who gets along with teammates. I think the father stuff dies down at the nba level, hes just being loud and crazy right now.

     

     Also the distractions with the athletes you mentioned are all different scenarios. Manziel’s distractions were his own character and partying. Nobody is quetioning lonzo’s character or work ethic. Tebow was a distraction becasue of a cult like fan base but in the end if he was any good he would have made it in the league. WHen you are bad, then the distraction becomes unworth it. I dont think ball will bad at basketball. And manti teo was an overnight sensationilzed story that he brought upon himself but since being in the league i havent heard anything negative or distracting about him, hes just punching the clock and flying under the radar.

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  • #1096471
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     I don’t think Minnesota drafts him under any circumstance.  The wolves would want someone who they have a chance or even illusion that they could keep them past their rookie contract. Everyone knows the Balls would leave first chance. I just don’t see Lavar’s attitude going over well in Minnesota either. Can you imagine if Crunch would have crunched Lavar’s ankle on a stair slide? It would be the top ESPN story for a month.

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  • #1096473
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    Memphis Madness
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     Put me down for Laker Ball with the young guns, Lonzo, Blake switching locker rooms, Javale following the footsteps of Mikan, Chamberlain, Kareem, Divac, Shaq, and Dwight Howard.

    Lavar Ball. Jack. Front row. You can’t handle the truth!!!!!!!!!

    and…

    wait…

    a shoe deal…

    with 

    LA GEAR!

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    • #1096495
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      Mopgrass
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       I always hear about Ball going to the Lakers. I’m not wild about it.

      I think Ball could be a franchise player and the Lakers are my favorite team, I just don’t he’s ideal for Luke Walton’s offense. He’d be yet another PG, another so-so defender, another guy who needs the ball, etc. But more than anything, Walton wants one guard to drive, the other to kick it out to. That’s Clarkson at PG and Russell at SG. Ball isn’t great at driving. He slips through the backdoor for a lob, he has great mid-range, and floaters… but he’ll beat no one off the dribble. As for him being the shooter, I’m not sure that monstrosity of a shot will be above average from 3. He needs a team more like the Clippers , but they’ve got Chrid Paul. 

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  • #1096477
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    Ahkasi Clay
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     I can see teams not wanting to deal with balls dad.  Would be a shame if he cost his son a couple of spots in the draft.


     

     Not sure how you can say kobe was not a negative for the Lakers the last 1/5 of his career.  He ran off Dwight,   nobody wanted to sign with the Lakers,  they had some of the worst seasons in Lakers history.

     

     

     

     

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    • #1096518
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      Matos
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       Your name and your arguement made my brain hurt lol. But you’re right. The last couple of years of Kobe’s reign (minus the farewell tour) hurt the Lakers so badly.

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  • #1096484
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    sheltwon3
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     Seriously have you seen Dwight Lately.  The Lakers won by him leaving.  Also yall are letting the media trick you.  He already said that he was only doing co branding and in reality it does not make sense when you have your own brand to sign for a couple of millions now.  It is not like they need it especially if he is going to be good.  

    I see why a lot of people are broke and get taken advantage of because they trust a system that is rigged to screw them and they want everyone else to do it to.  Why is it a problem that Lavar makes money when Nike and everyone else is trying to do that same thing.  I remember when Nike wasn’t that big.  If you want to win big you have to bet on yourself.  Ask Master P who turned down a million dollar deal and opted for a distribution deal so that he could own his stuff and he won big.

     

     

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    • #1096490
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       im not one to defend lavar ball’s comments for the most part, but i agree with you on the shoe thing. Of course nike/addidas/under armour are gonna tell the balls to piss off with co-branding the BigBallerBrand which is as of now not worth a damn. but that doesnt mean a family should be ridiculed for trying. Get a small production line from china or something that can actually produce a quality shoe and try to pave the way. if it doesnt work and lonzo is a legit player, he can always go back to the big shoe companies and say he will sign a deal on their terms and im sure they would be happy to oblige. Its like people are honestly rooting for the billion dollar corporations over a family trying to break the trend and carve their own path. (again dont mistake this for me defending lavar on many other issues, just the shoe thing)

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  • #1096488
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    cohenbc1
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     I haven’t really followed this guy, but how much damage can a rookie’s father do? He wouldn’t be allowed at practices or in the locker room or on the team’s bench, would he? I guess he could go the media and complain that his son’s not playing enough, but that would make his sun look like a spoiled little baby … imagine what KG would have done on the court to a rookie like that!

    Ultimately the success of the Ball family business depends on the success of Lonzo Ball the basketball player. Surely LaVar realizes that.

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  • #1096489
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    Memphis Madness
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     BLAKERS, BABY!!!

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  • #1096491
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    Ball is not a guaranteed all-star. 3 big shoe companies rejected him, that’s gotta say something about him and his dad.

    Character and attitude both on court and off court are important, that’s why they do interviews also.

    If Lakers don’t take him, I could see him dropping below the current projected 2nd pick to 3-6. Fox schooled him a few weeks ago…

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    • #1096492
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      Plus his face is like his jumpshot – UGLY

      I wouldn’t want him representing my shoe company….

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  • #1096511
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    BothTeamsPlayedHard
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    I’m not sure of it yet. That said, the draft is two months away. I think it is safe to say that every talking head show is going to invite this guy in during the lead up, and LaVar has showed on more than one occasion that he can move the needle in the wrong direction. If he runs his mouth like he did when he blamed their tournament loss on UCLA’s white guys, I can see him drop a bit. Not every team will, but a few might.

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  • #1096515
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    Biggysmalls
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     Without even getting into Lonzo the player, I hope the Wolves are in position to draft him if only because his dad would lose his mind. Having to spend 5 years in Minnesota – can you imagine how that would go over for him? Oh it would be delicious. 

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  • #1096522
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     Teams with a chance to draft Fultz and Jackson probably steer clear.

    Seriously I think he is a good fit for the Lakers, Magic was as big at his peak as virtually any player not named Jordan ever was, so I think he’d handle Ball and his entourage. Likewise Luke Walton played with Kobe, MWP has coached Steph Curry etc so he knows how top players and egos tick as well as anyone.

     

     

     

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  • #1096532
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    nill650
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     NO, it will not effect his stock directly,but could negatively impact his career overall.

    If the Dad can’t shut the pie hole anyway,which seems to be the case.

    any team that passes on Fultz ,

    for Ball or any other prospect will probably regret it for a long time.

    I definitely think there is a good posibilty the right team could take any one of Tatum,Monk,Jackson,Markkanen or Z. Collins ahead of Ball if they have their answer at pg already.

    For teams that need a PG None of the other PG prospects besides Ball projects as even being close to Fultz in terms of longterm impact on any org by most sports media outlets,

    but you have to wonder how much the hype machine has contributed to that overall, and if some GM’s see a few currently lower ranked pg prospects also lottery level talent as better prospects than Ball regardless of the off court distractions esp De’Aaron Fox ( who outplayed Ball in the tournament head to head) , & Dennis Smith.

    I wouldn’t pick him at 1 or 2 unless my name was Rob Pelinka, which is exactly what Lavar is likely hoping for incase the Lakers are at 3.

    I personally hope Philly gets the pick and Ball goes 8th to Sacramento. 

    The Balls should fit right in 

     

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  • #1096567
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     Lavar is trying to punch above his weight in the shoe deal hence everyone is bawking at his demands what he wants is for his Kid to be treated like a K.D/Lebron without having even have played a game which if you were the person that signs off on this deal you would be fired in a heartbeat if he is a bust…Also Steph league MVP shoes aren’t selling well apparently which makes it a little harder for him…

    As for the Teams passing on him it all depends on need honestly After the draft we can full say he will be passed on but right now His dad won’t be a factor in that decision as long as Lonzo isn’t a nut case off and on the court as well(which he just seems like most 19 year olds who love sport)..As there are at least 4 teams I could see taking a chance on him: Suns- To get all those scorers involved and the ball.The Lakers if they keep their pick are obvious as Russell is a Sg and would be better playing off the ball honestly,Dallas makes sense due to Kidd comparrison,Kings make sense  and the Kings all of which will will be top 10 picks…

     

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    • #1096720
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      nill650
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       Fultz will fit in and make "any team" he is drafted to, better from day 1.  regardless of that teams stage of rebuild proven by his phenom skills w/ pick&roll game on a collegiate roster that lacked any other offensive impact players.

      Ball needs to go somewhere that can maximize his loose style and elite court vision, becuase he has no pick&roll game at all,so playing with a team in an early rebuild without offensive impact players on the roster would not suit him at all in the early stages of his career.

      add the unwaranted expectations from a team without those core pieces in place that draft him anyway along with the lofty boasting by his Father and you have the recipe for early failure,despite the high ceiling.

       

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