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  • #66001
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    Taylor Gang Mike
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    Not surprised but wow, if he would of got hurt at Duke next season he would of been done. But he is taking the money and maybe he will be a late 1st round pick. Heck of a gamble, kid just isnt the same smh

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  • #1094636
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    I see him being picked up by a team like Portland or Orlando who have a couple first round picks so may take a risk.
    The other team is Brooklyn who may just swing for the fences with one of their 2 picks and hope he gets healthy/productive to put with Levert going forward

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    • #1094735
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      esperanzafleet69
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       lol caris levert.. brooklyn definitely swung for the fences on that one.. i’m amazed the pacers got thaddeus young for him.

      he was a skilled highly athletic player but proved he couldnt handle the strain of a full college season.. let alone the nba.

      honestly i hope he does well. watched him play numerous times live in college, and remember a huge dunk, almost from the free throw line, when he and trey burke were on the same team in the tourney…

       that being said, brooklyn is a team that proves that the league should be able to block trades.

       

       

       

       

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  • #1094638
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    SmooveKRYPT
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    Yeah someone with multiple picks will gamble on him. He won’t get past Brooklyn

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  • #1094639
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     Giles to Miami seems to make sense.. Pat Riley will no doubt gamble on Harry if he falls to him

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  • #1094640
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    OhCanada-
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     Still a long process he can do workouts and get feedback to see what his stock is like. He has the potential to slide very far into the 2nd round. He was less productive than Skal Labissiere and one of the most foul prone players in the NCAA. Based on what he has shown I dont know what the arguement is to draft this guy in either round other than his pre injury HS productivity. Hope he has a good career but I wouldnt pick him 1st round. 

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  • #1094641
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    TarHeelRaven
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     Some GM will fall in love with Giles and look at his mixtapes from high school and say, "that’s the guy this kid will be in a couple of years."  The fact is Giles averaged 4 and 4 in 11 minutes per game.  That was with Duke starving for someone to step up in the post with Amile Jefferson considering Chase Jeter and Marques Bolden were complete non-factors this year.  He has no lateral quickness and averaged 7 fouls per 40 minutes.  Pair him against elite NBA bigs next year and you have a recipe for disaster.  I wish the guy well, but his rookie season and beyond could be very ugly if he never regains his athleticism or explosiveness.  

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  • #1094645
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    Afactor4
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    My fellow alums don’t really follow high school ball (its more just "we got the 3 five-star recruits including the #1 recruit"). 

    To the casual College and hardcore Duke basketball fan, Giles looked like a definite 4-year project. They were shocked at how poor he really was given all the hype and are now equally shocked that he’s entered the draft. As a previous poster mentioned, even recruiting bust Skal contributed more last year. As a die-hard draft enthusiast, I’m obviously not as shocked that he’s entered given his injury history but I also won’t be shocked if he free falls into the mid-late second round come draft night. 

    Even as a Duke fan and alum, it would be a downright crime if Giles manages to log more minutes in the association next season than Brice Johnson did this season.

     

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    • #1094646
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      D7H7N
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       Doc absolutely hates playing rookies. Giles would never see the court if the Clippers drafted him, hell they’d probably stick him in the D-League first. Brice Johnson at least has range out to 15-20 feet.

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  • #1094647
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    Illadelph
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     Hindsight has 20/20 vision, but I said it from the beginning of the season that Harry Giles should never have played a minute of college ball after his injury shortly after his arrival to Duke.  It really made no sense to me at all.  He should have simply sat out, and rehabbed, and studied for a year.  His draft status would have been diminished somewhat, but not nearly as much as it has after playing this season.  I saw an interview with him where he said basically that he felt he owed it to Duke to play since they were giving him a scholarship and a spot on the team.  Good-hearted kid, but soeone close to him should have pulled him aside and explained to him that Duke will be just fine with or without him.  That he should have looked out for his own best interests and not those of a school that really doesn’t care about him when all is said and done.  I am surprised that coach K let him risk his draft future by playing this year.  What if he had injured himself AGAIN playing his 10 ineffectual minutes per game?  Coach K, the school, his handlers, or anyone close to him should have kept him out of playing and made him rehab and prepare for the draft.  It’s sad now that even the Duke alums on this board like Afactor4 are bad-mouthing the kid, saying that even Skal was better. 

    Well Harry, I hope you learn a valuable life lesson here that no one will look out for you like you will.  Be selfish when you need to be.  Playing the year at Duke has probably cost you millions in guaranteed money, but coach K, the fans, the alums, and even the karate kid Grayson Allen will move on and have a great life.  Harry Giles, you might wind up a second rounder.  I hope that playing for Duke was worth it.

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  • #1094648
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    SeattleSuperChronics
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     If the rumors are true and Hinke is landing in Sac….no way he falls past them lol

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  • #1094649
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    Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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     This is a big gamble for Giles, but it would have been a gamble coming back to school as well. Giles did very little at Duke to show he is anywhere near NBA ready and has an extremely concerning injury history to boot. Even in a draft that is not particularly strong on big men, I think it seems very unlikely that a team will take the gamble of drafting him in the first round. 

    However, as long as he does decent in workouts and doesn’t have any more injury setbacks, I am pretty confident a team will take him somewhere in the second round where they don’t have to guarantee him a contract. 

     

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  • #1094652
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    Chammes
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     Really really like this kid as a player. I really hope he gets all his abilites back because he can be an all star. At least its his knees and not feet because feet are worse injuries for bigs than a knee injury (in his case two).

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  • #1094716
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    TarHeelRaven
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     Coach K is possibly the greatest college basketball coach of all-time.  He has like 13 final fours and 5 national titles so who am I to criticize him.  In my opinion, this is BY FAR his worst coaching job in his 30 plus seasons at Duke.  I completely agree with Illadelph.  Giles had no business playing this year. Coach K cared about wins, not Giles health or well-being.  From his "indefinite" suspension of Grayson Allen for 1 game and not developing any post depth and bowing out in the second round with a time a million times more talented than South Carolina, this season can’t be seen as anything except an epic disaster for Coach K  2 straight years of top recrutuing classes and two straight years home early watching your biggest rival playing in the final four.  If you’re a die hard Duke fan, which I am obviously not, you should be livid at the dysfunction and underachievement in Durham this year

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    • #1094722
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      OhCanada-
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       You guys ever think that maybe Harry enjoys playing basketball and would rather be on the court playing for the prestigious Duke Blue Devils instead of sitting on the sidelines with his phone checking his draft stock on nbadraft.nets ‘non mobile’ 2017 start of the art website…

      I mean come on. He probally got tired of the websites 15 year old layout and decided to find something else to do.

      Really though. He probally thought the first time I dunked was 10 years ago and this site had the exact same layout theme. 

       

       

       

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  • #1094833
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    I dont’ think he is guaranteed first rounder. He could slide.

    Skal and Deytona Davis were seen as having “potential” and being late lotto’s. They both dropped massively. Giles has this but is also injury prone.

    I think it is a HUGE mistake he declares, he could go undrafted or second round straight to D League.

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  • #1094998
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    kobyz
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     still early to write him off, maybe he wouldn’t become the next Chris Bosh like he was supposed to be before injury, but i can still see him becoming Kevin Willis type player…

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  • #1095000
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    BothTeamsPlayedHard
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    Until team doctors get a look at his records and do their own tests, he probably has one of the widest spectrums for where he could go of anyone in the draft. If everything comes back squeaky clean (admittedly a long shot), then it comes down to how highly a team is willing to bet on a raw but skillful player. You only have to go back one year to Dragan Bender to see how highly a guy who couldn’t get minutes with Maccabi Tel Aviv went in the draft. If Phoenix’s front office took him with the assumption that there was a four-year plan and no matter how bad he looked in years one and two that they were committed to him for the length of his rookie deal, then fine. Maybe they end up being wrong, maybe we can quibble with value or risk (and I would), but it seems to be a fair enough rationale if that is the guy they want. For as funny as draft night way when Toronto drafted Bruno Caboclo, they have stuck with him and a plan for three years. He is a middling D-League player, but they have been fair to the player and fair to their vision of what he could become (whether he gets there or not). On the other hand, if teams take a look at those knees and don’t like or uncertain as to what they see, then the worst place for a raw player to be is in the 2nd round on a non-guaranteed contract with a team that isn’t all that invested in you or your development.

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