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  • #65807
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    Mopgrass
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     Obviously players tweak their shots through the years (some more than other). But what about complete reworks? That can be a two year process. Is there any record of success for that? 

    I ask because my two favorite guys in the draft, Josh Jackson and London Ball, have horrible looking shots. Ball happens to make his (free throws aren’t great though). Are teams really going to make Ball shoot like a normal person? Because right now, it works. 

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  • #1093167
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    Zouldiers
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     Yeah, I used to have an ugly jumpshot that I had to tweak when I was 14. I changed my shooting hand from right to left it worked. Took me months though. Other cases like Tristan Thompson and Nerlens Noel have complete reboot of their jumpshots as well and it worked for them as well. In the case of Ball, if he makes shots with those mechanics then don’t bother fixing it as long as you have confidence in it.

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  • #1093170
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    Cynthia
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    I seem to recall Ronnie Brewer getting his shot changed, because he used to bow his arm weird due to an injury he had when he was younger. Now whether it actually raised his percentages or not I really don’t know.

    I also think Tristan Thompson completely changed shooting hands (from left to right?) and I do believe that was an increase in percentage.

    It’s possible for sure, but when you’ve played as long as these guys and on that level it would be a very hard habit to break. I think in most cases even if their shots weird as long as it goes in the coaches just leave it alone. There have been some weird shot forms in the NBA over the years.

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  • #1093174
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    Jr. ROXAS
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    That’s what I’m always wondering too, because guys like MKG or Roberson will never live up to their full potential with those ugly jump shots.

    There is one guy though who really caught my attention in terms of improvement in shooting form: Tyreke Evans. Notice how much more fluid his shot is compared to his days in Sac.

    Also, people tend to forget, the year the Pels made the playoffs Tyreke was out there balling. And his revamped jumpshot had a lot to do with it. He was honestly the Pelicans most clutch player that year, and made life way easier for AD. Too bad he could never stay healthy.

     

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  • #1093180
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    holefillers1
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     Evan Turner worked with Herb Magee aka the Shot Doctor.  All the mechanics in the world can’t make up for a lack of touch.  I would say Repetition more than anything will improve your percentages. Also how open can you get in the NBA. If you’re dangerous off the bounce then you have space to shoot. 

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  • #1093181
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    DunksNJordans23
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     Lonzo’s shot is exactly the same as Ronnie Brewer’s where the ball comes across your face from left to right. Also Ronnie Brewer never changed his shot, his release just became quicker with all the same motions. When he was younger he broke his arm and when the cast came off he had to "push" the ball rather than having a mechanically sound form because the muscles in his arm were too weak. His father used to get mad thinking he was joking around because the shot was so obscure until he realized that it was because of his previous injury and since the ball was going in his shot was never "fixed".

    When Ronnie was a member of the Chicago Bulls they had a little segment on him during one of the pregame shows and that’s how I became aware of that unique story.

     

     

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  • #1093183
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    Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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    Most teams in the NBA now hire full-time shooting coaches. Remember the knock on kawhi Leonard coming out of college was that he couldn’t make outside shots. He has certainly disproven that theory through hard work. Even though I still would say he shoots kind of a flat shot you can’t really argue with the results.

    Most players naturally get better shooting the ball as their careers progress due to repetition, confidence and necessity. There have been players like Shawn Marion who have managed to become at least respectable shooters with awful form. While there is no doubt that you want to to shoot the ball as mechanically correct as possible, if you tinker with guys mechanics too much it can tend to cause them to doubt themselves and end up even worse than when they started (mkg is a prime example). Shooting is just so much about confidence and believing the shot will go in. 

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  • #1093196
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    sweaterflex
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    The form of the shot matters less than the release point. If the release point is centered and the ball gets good rotation, the "form" matters less, with Kevin Martin being the best example. Free-throw shooting is usually more predictive than three point percentage when comparing college to the pros (a good reason to think Monk and Taytum will be much better shooters than Fultz in the pros). Lonzo is a strange example because he has shot far more three pointers than free throws, making it tempting to think he might be a good shooter despite his poor free throw percentage. Jackson’s destiny seems likely to fall somewhere between Iguodala and Jimmy Butler as a great defender who is elite the years his three point percentage hits league average.

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  • #1093199
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     If LaVar wasn’t so intent on being his sons hypeman he would have fixed Lonzo’s mechanics along time ago before it got to this stage in his development.  All of the Balls have pretty ugly mechanics really.

    Not sure what will happen with Lonzo.  And it’s always hard to say if it makes them a better shooter or not.  You need data on both sides of the switch.

    Josh Jacksons isn’t near as ugly and seems like he mostly needs to correct that hitch and make it one smooth motion.  That would go along way for him in speeding up his release.

     

     

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  • #1093228
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    BeastMode716
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     He was thought of as a Defensive specialist who could Never develop a jump shot. He was actually releasing the Ball right in front of his eyes

    The Pelicans coaching staff completely rebuilt the Brow’s shot mechanics.

    Is it rare? Yea but it is the one skill that Can be developed at the Pro level

     

     

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