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  • #65753
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    StephGoneSteph
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    The Philadelphia 76ers are sending Nerlens Noel to the Dallas Mavericks for Justin Anderson and a first-round pick, according to the Vertical’s Adrian Wojnarowski.

    The Sixers trade focus was originally on shipping Jahlil Okafor, who was told to stay home for two road games before the All-Star break with a trade imminent. It is not yet known if this means Okafor could stay in Philly after all.

     

     

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  • #1092778
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    terrancebower
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     Does anyone have any info on the pick that was traded, specifically the protection beyond 2017? I see that it’s a top 18 protected but does it become less protected, or even unprotected at some point?

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  • #1092780
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    SmooveKRYPT
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    Is 1-18 protected, or it turns into two 2nd rounders (in ’17 and ’18) according to Zach Lowe

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    • #1092827
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      terrancebower
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       Thanks for the info!

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  • #1092781
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    BothTeamsPlayedHard
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    Don’t anyone dare criticize two second round picks! There are still kids in Belgrade who have at some point in their life touched a basketball that the Sixers have not drafted. They are working on a process here people!!!

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    • #1092782
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      Chewy
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       is the best thing I’ve read on this site in the last 3 months. 

      BTW: Anderson and a heavily protected first for Noel is a major loss for Sixers. They tanked to get him and then give him away for nothing? You can play 500 ball and still draft Justin Anderson types.

      Sorry Philly. You put up with so much losing to gain all these high draft picks and Collangelo is going to ship out at least half of them for inferior deals just because he wants to win now, instead of waiting and letting them play together for 2-3 years.

       

       

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      • #1092788
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         Lolol this isnt NBA 2k, who said Noel wants to stay in Philly and play second fiddle.. I was dead accurate about what was going to happen with this 76ers team even called the future player exodus..

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      • #1092871
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        Thefabulousjq
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        As a Sixers fan I’m very sad to see Nerlens go.  He’s been here though the entire ‘process’ and had to endure all that losing.  However, they didn’t technically tank to get Noel as you stated.  The year before they got him they were 34-48, just a bad team.  Then they traded for him and began the tanking process.  If they thought he would cost too much to retain after this year, then I guess it makes sense to get something for him.

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  • #1092783
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    Chewy
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    Last step in the process: Hire Colangelo and have him ignore all previous steps in the process.

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    • #1092785
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      BothTeamsPlayedHard
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      Take a look at Hinkie’s draft picks. He got fired because he was bad at his job, and his plan for not trying until Superman comes along was and still is ponzi scheme to prolong employment without ever having to make a tough decision (i.e. what separates successful teams and GMs from unsuccessful ones). Collangelo is getting what he is getting because that is what happens when teams know the Sixers won’t pay Noel this summer. This pittance was always going to happen. Teams have seen how they have treated Jahlil Okafor this season. This is why successful teams build with an identity in mind and don’t just throw a bunch of guys together and decide who to try and feature on a given night.

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  • #1092787
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    Like Hinkie or Hate him but once a year he made a trade that Fleeced another team

    It’s like the Sixers ownership decided "Hey let’s see what it feels like to be on the other side of this…"

    You Give Away Noel for Two 2nd round picks & Don’t tell me he’s a FA. He’s Restricted.

    Hinkie got you guys Embiid, Simmons & Saric, your 2015 & 2017 1st round picks back, the Lakers 2018 1st round pick & Sacramento’s 2019 1st round pick.

    And you go out & hire a GM who was black listed from the NBA for 3 years b/c of how he treated Chris Bosh (calling him a Coward & claiming he faked his Documented injury) to strip the team back to nothing b/c the OWnership doesn’t want to pay anyone LOL! And I thought my Lakers were dysfunctional? Can we have Embiid for a kid we got stashed in Uzbekastan? 

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1092789
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    Untouchable J
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     Terrible trade but y’all are overreacting. They SHOULD have traded for  a potential stop-gap/potential 6th man wing (think Bogdanovich, KCP) but due to their assets heh also need to keep the money pot open

    Again, terrible trade, NC they should have used this to flip for depth and role guys, but :

     

    Embid, Simmons, Saric, potentially TWO top 5 picks in the deepest draft j nurses, AND Sac’s 2019 pick they still good

    If this time next year the squad is Embid, Saric, Simmons, Monk, Flutz no one will remember the name Nerlens Noel 

     

     

     

     

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  • #1092791
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     How is this a bad trade for Philly? Noel is reaching free agency, shoudl Philly resign him? Absolutely not. They have Joel Embiid, Ben Simmons and Dario Saric in their front court. 

    Meanwhile Justin Anderson is committed to defense with a basic three point shot. Not great but function. Especially functional considering the offense weapons he’ll be playing with. 

    What trade could Philly have done that was better than this one? You are highly overrated this Javale Mcgee/Festus Ezeli hybird, known as Nerlens Noel, if you think Philly could have done better than this trade. 

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1092814
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       Noels was better as a 20 year old rookie coming off a year away from basketball then McGee or Ezeli ever were that was such a bad comment.

       

      Noels is in the Noah mold.  He’s still only 22 and had made huge leaps offensively this year shooting 61% from the field but more impressively he’s hitting 47% of his mid range shots and 68% of his foul shots which is a testament to how much time he’s put in with the shooting coach.  

       

      He’ll grow into a perreniall DPOY candidate in Dallas

       

       

       

       

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    • #1092815
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       Yah seriously Philly fans are gonna love Anderson. Really fits the teams identity and the cities culture. Toughness still exists in the NBA and I’d say Justin Anderson is probably the toughest player in the league. His toughness is a skill alone he can also gaurding multiple positions and hit the three.

      In a couple days there’s gonna be 2 or 3 Justin Anderson posts on this forum per day. You won’t even notice Noels gone.

       

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    • #1092858
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       I didn’t see them paying $15 Mil a year to have him be Embiid’s caddie.  The Sixers have the point differential of a 55 win team when Embiid is on the floor and a 15 win team when he isn’t (Okafor, Noel, Holmes) – they don’t make much of a difference and Okafor and Holmes are cheaper insurance.  Anderson I am hoping with more playing time and work over the summer could develop along the lines of Justice Winslow.  Needs to work on his ball handling.  He did have a 10 game stretch in January where he averaged 15 ppg.  With Saric moving full time to 4 with Illysova gone we have a need and minutes for a backup to Covington

       

       

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  • #1092792
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    negguary
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    GOTTAAA GOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! IDC what you say about heinke, he made deals and this is bad! At the worse sign him in FA and then trade him later so you can have more leverage

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  • #1092794
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    The Goat
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     This is a really odd deal.  Surely Bogut is being packaged somewhere or it’s really a kick in the balls for the Sixers and Bogut

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  • #1092795
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    The Goat
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     This is a really odd deal.  Surely Bogut is being packaged somewhere or it’s really a kick in the balls for the Sixers and Bogut

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  • #1092796
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    The Goat
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     This is a really odd deal.  Surely Bogut is being packaged somewhere or it’s really a kick in the balls for the Sixers and Bogut

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  • #1092797
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    Yeah, they are going down the road that I thought that they would go down. They basically are banking everything on Embiid who if he was totally healthy and was healthy all 3 of his years in the NBA would be fine, but that’s not the case. They never were going to keep Noel and I’ll be even more surprised if they keep Okafur.

    I’ve seldom seen a young prospect treated the way that they treat Okafur, so if they keep him, it’s no way he would re-sign with them. So because they don’t care anything about giving him consistent playing time and they even sit him out of games on a consistent basis, his trading value has gone down.

    I would have given him playing time just to showcase him to get a decent deal in return if they were so dedicated to trading him. Me personally, I would have never thought about trading him. I just don’t know about Embiid’s health. THEY ARENT MAKING THE PLAYOFFS so who cares about who plays well with Embiid this year, I wouldn’t even be thinking that way or who fits together, I’d want to access talent.

    Of course I want Embiid to be healthy and I really like his game, but I wouldn’t bet the house on it. If you have a situation where Embiid is injured and in and out of the lineup or not playing years at a time, all that they will be left with his Saric and an old aging Bogut. I mean you could move Simmons to the PF, but something tells me if they sell him on being their designated point guard, he’d do all he could do to fight against moving to the 4.

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  • #1092798
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    properbreaks
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    Yeah, they are going down the road that I thought that they would go down. They basically are banking everything on Embiid who if he was totally healthy and was healthy all 3 of his years in the NBA would be fine, but that’s not the case. They never were going to keep Noel and I’ll be even more surprised if they keep Okafur.

    I’ve seldom seen a young prospect treated the way that they treat Okafur, so if they keep him, it’s no way he would re-sign with them. So because they don’t care anything about giving him consistent playing time and they even sit him out of games on a consistent basis, his trading value has gone down.

    I would have given him playing time just to showcase him to get a decent deal in return if they were so dedicated to trading him. Me personally, I would have never thought about trading him. I just don’t know about Embiid’s health. THEY ARENT MAKING THE PLAYOFFS so who cares about who plays well with Embiid this year, I wouldn’t even be thinking that way or who fits together, I’d want to access talent.

    Of course I want Embiid to be healthy and I really like his game, but I wouldn’t bet the house on it. If you have a situation where Embiid is injured and in and out of the lineup or not playing years at a time, all that they will be left with his Saric and an old aging Bogut. I mean you could move Simmons to the PF, but something tells me if they sell him on being their designated point guard, he’d do all he could do to fight against moving to the 4.

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  • #1092799
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    properbreaks
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    Yeah, they are going down the road that I thought that they would go down. They basically are banking everything on Embiid who if he was totally healthy and was healthy all 3 of his years in the NBA would be fine, but that’s not the case. They never were going to keep Noel and I’ll be even more surprised if they keep Okafur.

    I’ve seldom seen a young prospect treated the way that they treat Okafur, so if they keep him, it’s no way he would re-sign with them. So because they don’t care anything about giving him consistent playing time and they even sit him out of games on a consistent basis, his trading value has gone down.

    I would have given him playing time just to showcase him to get a decent deal in return if they were so dedicated to trading him. Me personally, I would have never thought about trading him. I just don’t know about Embiid’s health. THEY ARENT MAKING THE PLAYOFFS so who cares about who plays well with Embiid this year, I wouldn’t even be thinking that way or who fits together, I’d want to access talent.

    Of course I want Embiid to be healthy and I really like his game, but I wouldn’t bet the house on it. If you have a situation where Embiid is injured and in and out of the lineup or not playing years at a time, all that they will be left with his Saric and an old aging Bogut. I mean you could move Simmons to the PF, but something tells me if they sell him on being their designated point guard, he’d do all he could do to fight against moving to the 4.

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  • #1092801
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    As a Mavs fan I am happy for the deal so far.
    The Mavs was targeting Noel in FA,there is really few other players in the 2017 Free Agency that are better and would accept to go to the Mavs so he was always expected to be the target.
    Had the Sixers traded him the chance of getting him will be gone. we might have had a chance if he stayed with Sixers but that was risky
    Bogut value was all but dead, he was a veteran rental who is old and would probably only sign for a team he likes in summer and Mavs won’t take bad contract for him. It didn’t seem we will be able to get anything for him and the team was playing better without him and Deron.
    The pick is 95% would turn as 2 2nd rounders,probably high second rounders but even those can be available for cash in the draft night.
    J.Anderson is nice player,a good hustle guy but he isn’t really very talented one despite amazing physical tools and his BBIQ hurts him ,he will be good player down the road but the Mavs already have Dorian Finney-Smith who is better and just 6 months older. Nicolás Brussino is Also a young talented SF that the Mavs like who will probably be able to contribute next year from the bench,with H.Barnes probably playing more SF with new C ,Coach Carlisle using many 3 guard rotations in the game then Anderson really was expandable. Wish him all the luck with the Sixers,think he will be nice bench player for them.
    key will be retaining Noel for good price in summer.

    Overall I like the trade,if Seth and Yogi continued to play well and with Barnes & Noel we could finally say that the Mavs finally have a young core for few years,who knows may be we get lucky and end up winning the lottery and moving for top 4 picks in June draft,Could be a good reward for being the Anti-Sixers

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  • #1092808
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     We had assumed that Okafor was perhaps more likely to go than Noel but with Noel being an RFA then the 76ers hands were slightly tied. We heard all this "Trust the process" but Evan Turner a 2nd pick was traded away for a 2nd rounder, we have yet to see what the return for a ROY in MCW will be. Noel a 6th pick will probably only be worth two 2nd rounders. Okafor a 3rd pick is on the block.

    Embeast has played 29 games in nearly 3 seasons, Simmons has yet to play, Saric is in his debut season, Ersan has been traded, there seems no real build in the 76ers mind or they are having to redo what Hin kie did.

    Noel will be a decent pick up for Dalklas and hopefully if they keep him sound they will resign him and make something of him.

    I’d assume that Bogut will likely be brought out unless Philly want him as a short term veteran presence. If brought out, he’ll likely hop onto a contender, a return to GSW would seem a decent option.

     

     

     

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  • #1092813
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     Hahaha you guys just need to realize these overrated players have no value. They aren’t coveted.  Noel was shopped for 2 years and they got Anderson and a late 1st or two 2nd round picks. Now keep in mind Anderson is no slouch and will likely be a rotation player similar to Tony Allen for a long time with this team. Negguary your gonna love this guy. But really I’ve been bashed on this site for telling everyone Philly wasn’t gonna get a lottery pick for Noel and now ladies and gentleman with no humble intentions I must say I told you so. I frigging told you so. There it is.

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  • #1092819
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    OhCanada-
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     Some team is gonna offer Noel 12-15 Mil a year next off season.  Why would they move Okafor who is on a rookie contract. They had to move Noel because they didn’t need to have both of those players in the first place with ir without Embiid and sooner or later in the PEOPLE buisness you gotta show your people you are confident in them and not treat them like assets. 

    Philly fans your expectations are just way out if whack. Sorry I love you guys you keep the site afloat but this is a good hual for a guy they have showed time and time again they have no interest in keeping for the longterm. They benched him most of the year what do you expect.

     

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  • #1092820
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     Biyombo, Mahimi and Mosgov got $16 million a year so Noel could easily get a similar type deal as Oh Canada says.

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