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  • #65605
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    OhCanada-
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     So I was thinking. Last year the draft was weak yet it was deep in relative to the strength. You could draft the same qaulity player late1st/early second as you could in the late lotto. Heres some examples. Thon Maker/Skal Labissiere, Jakob Poeltl/Ivica Zubac, Kris Dunn/Dejounte Murray, Buddy Hield/Malcolm Brogdon.

    Now that may have just been due to an anomoly last year where there was a lack of top end talent but that doesnt change the fact that there was a ton of qaulity players selectes late in the draft. I dont see this trend changing and I think it is the NBA’s responsibility to make a structure/program where these kids can be developed well in order to improve the qaulity of the game.

    I also think some sort of rights need to be added to 2nd round picks other than the right to ownership. Look at Toronto and Norman Powell. They have worked thier butts off developing Powell and they got him in a steal trading Vasquez for him and late 1st rounder. However he will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year and will demand tons of money. This is now stunting his growth as the Raptors are limiting his minutes and electing to play other players ahead of him instead of developing him despite his potential. Teams should be rewarded for developing these guys and for making good selections and trades but it just seems like its still a monopoly league and unless your the Spurs and everyone takes a paycut you can’t build a team to suistain without the best players in the league.

    The league is on the right track. They have added three roster spots for the 2017-2018 season so players can develop in the d-league. I think they should take another step forward and expand the draft. Here’s what I would propose.

    1) ADD A THIRD ROUND With three roster spots added and most teams at this point being assigned their own rosterspots another round of non-guarantee
    2)RIGHTS
    Some sort of guaranteed or partially guaranteed contracts with BIRD rights should be added to the second of three rounds. With 90 picks maybe make the first 45 gauranteed with rights to resign. Or even have a second lottery draft for the 2nd round lotto teams and have those picks gauranteed.

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  • #1091485
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    Anton123
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    You’re kind of ignoring the players’ interest here, for powell, the situation is completely different: he has worked his butt off to become a better player, why should he not have the say where he wants to play or how much he will be paid? 

    There are ways that teams can secure their second round picks for longer, they can stash them, they can sign them for a year and then sign them for a long contract before they reach their prime. This is something you cannot do with first round picks.

    It’s certainly not easy to do, but that is what separates a great GM from an ok GM — being able to get the most out of your picks without paying out wads of money.

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    • #1091775
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      OhCanada-
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      I’m proposing the team has the right to match the offer. The player could still sign an offer sheet. 

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  • #1091493
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    JordanC20
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     I think they should have a wheel like the one on the Price is Right have a representative from each team have a turn spinning the team that the wheel lands on the most gets the top pick seconds most gets 2nd pick and so on..this way the game will stay competitive all year long because the odds are completely random.

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  • #1091764
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    The NBA draft should really be three or four rounds these days with all the internationals declaring.

    Bill Laimbeer, Mark Eaton, Kurt Rambis, Frank Brickowski, Craig Hodges, Craig Ehlo, Sedale Threatt, Sabonis, Spud Webb, Sam Mitchell, Chris Dudley, Anthony Mason were all take in the third or later rounds of NBA draft.

    In more recent years Jeremy Lin, Udonis Haslem, Raja Bell, Avery Johnson, Jose Calderon, Brad Miller, David Wesley, John Stark, Bruce Bowne and Ben Wallace all went undrafted since the introduction of only two draft rounds….

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  • #1091765
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    BeastMode716
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     It’s that simple.

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  • #1091769
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    mgreener_34
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     I like where you’re going, but I don’t think thats the true problem, but ill get into that in a minute. 

     I think you kind of answered your own question of how to improve the draft format. The draft format is fine. It adds excitement, and forces teams to try and be competative in FA because they aren’t guaranteed a top pick unless they are literally the worst pick. This helps the players out a lot imo. I actually don’t mind the NBA draft, and think two rounds is appropriate, and any more would be over kill. But you mentioned the extended roster for the DLeague, and I think that is where the focus has to be. 

    What they need to do, and are doing, is add more emphasis to the D league. I think baseball does it right with their minor league system, and because of that its rare to have prospects go under the radar, as literally anyone with skill gets a chance to showcase their abilities. The problem with the NBA and this system is obviously College basketball

    The fact that these young players are forced to go to school is what hinders the NBA and its youth developement imo. first we had highschool players like Telfair who had no place being drafted where he was, and now you have overhyped freshman and overlooked upperclassman coming out of college. I think if they got rid of the 1 and done rule, put more emphasis on actually developing the D League into a legit minor league organization, you would see a lot more player growth, and be able to spot talent more easily. 

    Both leagues have their issues. College hides a players weaknesses, while the Dleague hides a players skill level. Thats why we have MVP’s like James Young and Anthony Randolf. Combine the two, get good coaches in the Dleague who try to win and not just get their guys showcased, and I think you would see a much better product. As it stands now, college dominates this aspect of the game, and they do a pretty piss poor job of developing and teaching these guys. 

     

     

     

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    • #1091776
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      OhCanada-
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      Not every D-1 player will go pro but for the ones who don’t and were given a scholarship the education goes a far way. For that reason alone people will not complain about the structure. None of these kids have to play college if they are good enough to be recruited by most D1 teams they can easily find an agent looking to profit off of them.

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      • #1091817
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        mgreener_34
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         I agree, but that wasn’t really the point I was trying to make. Guys like Jennings and Muiday were drafted off of highschool rep only, not because of what they did over seas. Same with a lot of Euro players. While I like your idea of a 3rd round, I just don’t see the point. Your hope is to find more diamonds in the rough, but lets be real, most 2nd round picks don’t even see an NBA floor, and anyone taken in a 3rd round probably would only get a summer league invite at best. Which is why their contracts aren’t guaranteed in the first place.

        I say forget about the 3rd round, have a legit farm system where you can have guys who want to play profesionally (they can still go to college if they wanted to…) and chase their dream, and watch the cream rise to the top. You don’t need more rounds to find better players, you just need more time/understanding of the players available.

         Like I said, baseball has it right. I have a few friends who play for the Toronto Bluejays A ball team, and they say its been a better experience than playing basketball in college because they are working with professionals at all times, and are actually given a chance to improve while playing. 

         

         

         

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  • #1091778
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    Hitster
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     2nd round picks aren’t guaranteed contracts so teams tend to offer lesser terms. There is nothing to stop them putting a player on a 4 year deal with options in the teams favour. The Kings did this when they drafted Whiteside in 2010 although he didn’t pan out as an NBA player in his time there.

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    • #1091783
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      Im thinking if it isnt mandatory most players wont accept those terms. They would rightfully prefer to become an unrestricted FA quicker after establishing themselves or more flexibility in case tjey dont establish themselves.

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