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- Posted on: Tue, 12/20/2016 - 10:00pm #65421
JDB12ParticipantI was at the Wolves vs. Suns game last night and I was wondering, is it far fetched to say that these two will be top 5 shooting guards and top 5-10 scorers in the league within the next 2-3 years? Both have a deep offensive arsenal at their disposal with mutiple ways to score, and LaVine’s athleticism is second-to-none while Booker has sneaky elite athleticism as well. The two also have some of the sweetest young strokes from the outside in the league and they also have good handles and can initiate their respective offenses. However, they both can use some work on defense. To LaVine’s credit, the reason he doesn’t look the best on the defensive end is because he is stuck guarding the opposing team’s best guard on a nightly basis. This will likely change when Dunn starts getting minutes, but LaVine at times gets lost on defense or appears to "zone out" for a moment or two and can lose his man. And Booker’s defense is just a matter of effort. Some possessions he really focuses and can lock his man up, while other possessions it just seems like he takes them off. Also, these observations aren’t just based off of last night. Wolves are my favorite team so I watch most of their games. But it my honest opinion, especially in LaVine’s case, I don’t think there is anyone in the league with more potential aside from Towns, Giannis, Embiid and Simmons and maybe one or two more players (Yes, I intentionally left Wiggins off that list). But what are your thoughts? Is that being too optimistic thinking they can be top 5 at their position? Are they going to be 25-30ppg scorers in their time?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/20/2016 - 10:34pm #1089780

r377ParticipantBooker is around 18ppg with bad shooting % and Lavine is around 20ppg. Please keep into account that this is on non playoff teams and Lavine is also leading the league in minutes per game.
They might get 22-23ppg but I don’t think they can really consistently score 25-30ppg each season regularly. As their teams get better and more competitive they are not going to be able / needed to score 25-30ppg
0- Posted on: Tue, 12/20/2016 - 11:09pm #1089781
JDB12ParticipantI understand where you’re coming from, but Booker is only 19 years old, and LaVine is only 21 years old putting up 20ppg at an efficient clip. Neither are close to the peak of their game, and if both finish the season scoring around 20ppg, you’d have to think that the two are only going to get better. LaVine wasn’t necessarily NBA ready when he came in, and he has made montrous improvements in his second and third year. Now his improvements won’t be as significant in coming years, but the guy can only get better and his ceiling is almost non-existent. Booker had a strong finish to his rookie year and this year is expected to be the second option behind Bledsoe. Yes, he is only shooting 41% from the field, but a big reason I believe that both could be 25-30ppg scorers is because these two are the one’s taking the shots at the end of close games. I understand Bledsoe and Knight have had injury problems and are still getting back into the groove of things and the Wolves are young and don’t have a seasoned veteran to give the ball to. But on their respective teams, these are the two guys they trust with the ball in their hands in the 4th, giving them more scoring opportunities. These young men are still raw, putting up around 20ppg already, I just feel like it’s more likely than not that they are putting up great scoring numbers soon.
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- Posted on: Tue, 12/20/2016 - 11:31pm #1089782
TiosecoParticipantI agree with your general assessment and outlook for both players. I am especially impressed with Lavine averaging 20+ despite having Towns and Wiggins on the team, two players who need the ball to create and score and are also averaging 20+ points per game. And the Wolves would be in the playoff picture right now if only they know how to keep leads, something they still have time to learn as the season develops. On the other hand, as much as I like Booker, tbh i think that he has actually underwhelmed so far this season compared to what most people expected from him after his strong finish in his rookie year ( I could actually say the same thing about Towns somehow). But in Booker’s defense, Bledsoe is having a resurgent year, while the rest of the Suns team feels like a mess. In 2-3 years, both these players will learn to adjust more to the NBA game, develop their skills, and in my mind will undoubtedly be 2 of the top 5 shooting guards in the league (esp given how shallow it is right now).
Side note: While I like both players and have been generally impressed by their development, something funny I realized regarding these two is that coming into their respective drafts, Lavine was being sold as a combo guard who can eventually learn how to be a better PG and Booker was seen as almost strictly a spot-up shooter. Yet 2-3 years later, we have all basically given up on the Zach Lavine point guard experiment while Booker seems to have a better overall feel for the game as a point guard in pinches.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/21/2016 - 12:51am #1089791

Jr. ROXASParticipantI’ve been watching a lot of the Suns games (mainly because of Devin Booker) and I really think Devin Booker’s poor shooting this season is a result of terrible coaching.
No one’s talking about it yet, but Earl Watson is Scott Brooks 2.0. Their offense is basically Bledsoe and Booker taking turns handling the rock in the pick and roll. No motion or movement before the play. It’s a lot similar to the horrible "offense" Brooks ran with KD and Russ where they run down the clock deciding who gets to isolate in that possesion and chuck up a bad shot.
For such a good shooter, Booker never has a play set for him where he runs of off-ball screens just like Reddick and Thompson do. I feel Watson’s playbook is similar to a high school coach’s lol. He does not at all utilize Booker well and I hope they fire him at the end of the seaosn.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/21/2016 - 10:56am #1089807
BiggysmallsParticipantConsidering how rare it is for players to average 25-30 points per game, I don’t see either one doing it for a good team. So few players do that and I don’t think either of them are that type of scoring machine.
Both can certainly fill it up and I agree with the poster who said 22 ppg might be reasonable but on a good team, neither of those guys are going to be asked/capable of putting up 30 a night.
I don’t really differentiate between shooting guards and small forwards, so I have no idea if "top 5 at his position" is doable for either of them either. I’ve always had lower expectations for Lavine given his propensity to take horrible shots and play negative defense but he’s been impressive this season for sure. I used to think his best role might’ve been the Jamal Crawford/Jason Terry 6th man type but it’s hard to argue against what he’s done this season.
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