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  • #65385
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    Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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    I don’t mean to be disrespectful here. Tony Parker was a great player in this league for a long time. He is an almost certain HOF’er and in his prime was one of the best pgs in the world. The spurs offense for years was centered around his pick and roll mastery and ability to get into the paint and create havoc for defenses. 

    However, Parker is clearly no longer in his prime and is reaching the point where he is a borderline liability when he’s on the floor. He can no longer consistently get into the paint and and finish or create open shots for teammates. He can’t defend quicker or more explosive guards and he isn’t a guy that you can play off the ball because he doesn’t really space the floor. He is still a crafty player that could be useful in a reduced role, but that’s about all he is at this point.

    The spurs have been fine so far this season and will still probably win around 60 games regardless, but this just doesn’t seem like a team that could realistically take down the warriors (or even the clippers) in a playoff series. Patty mills is an excellent back up pg but I’m not sure you can rely on him too much beyond that role. There are some potential options out there (dragic, Brandon knight?, etc.) and the spurs could theoretically have the pieces to pull off a deal. 

    Not that it wouldn’t be a risk. It has the potential to greatly upset team chemistry. Parker isn’t necessarily the selfless type of team player that Duncan or ginobilli has been and I doubt he would be very happy about being essentially replaced by a younger player. They would probably have to give up draft picks and at least some of their young talent which could hurt their ability to contend down the line.

    I’m not necessarily expecting anything to happen but I figured I’d just throw it out as a hypothetical. If the spurs had a chance to upgrade at pg this season to give them a better shot at a title, should they do it?

     

     

     

     

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  • #1089488
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    Anton123
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    I completely agree, almost all the playoff teams in the West have great PGs, in a 7 game series having Parker is a huge disadvantage. He’s certainly one of the worst starting PGs in the league, both offensively and defensively. 

    I think even Deron Williams would be quite an upgrade over Parker and can probably be obtained for little.

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  • #1089489
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     I dont think Pop would let that happen, losing Tim Duncan is probably tough for Popovich.. Parker maybe in a decline but he still understands how to facilitate the offense. Though I agree with you guys, A move needs to be made soon.. George Hill is a UFA next year, he knows the offense and could transition into the starting PG seamlessly.

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  • #1089491
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    Andrew1984
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    Patty Mills is quietly turning in another stellar campaign. Kyle Anderson is a superb passer, as is Ginobili. So even with an aging Tony Parker, the Spurs don’t have ball-distribution issues.

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  • #1089493
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    They need to upgrade the position just like they did with Duncan when they brought in Aldridge.

    Most teams need a stud Big, Wing, and Guard to truly compete for a title. They have Lamarcus and Kawhi, but they need a stud at point guard and Parker is no longer that guy. If they could get CP3 without losing Aldridge and Kawhi, I think that would be a great fit.

    Then again, CP3 would be a great fit anywhere. Quintessential point guard. 

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  • #1089494
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    If they want to upgrade during the season. The best option through a trade would probably be Knight. He is expendable and can play beside another point guard (Spurs keep Parker and Mills). Danny Green matches up salary wise. I don’t really know where the balance in that trade is though.

    If they stick it out until free agency next summer, there’s lots of options. Guys who could fit and who could be attainable are Hill, Teague, Rose, Jennings.

    They don’t really need someone for the long run as they still have Mills as well as rookie Murray.

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  • #1089497
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    Spurs as an organisation are a great destination for any FA.

    I think 2 guys who might sign there are Hill and CP3.  

    The opportunity to be the 3rd scorer, distrubutor, on a 60 + win team and perennial championship contender is a big drawcard, especially for a guy like CP3.

     

     

     

      

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  • #1089500
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    If they dont make a trade now, I could see them trading up to nab one of the PGs in the draft that could slip. Based on their love for international players I could see them targeting Frank Ntilikina. They do draft well and their devlopment of players intertwined with their system makes them a consistent contender.

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    They snagged Dejounte Murray in the last draft if i’m not mistaken. He is a guy with a lot of talent and could be the PG going forward for the Spurs.

    The question is will he develop fast enough to replace Parker before he really starts to drop off. I see Murray as I guy who needs another 2-3 years to figure out what type of player he is going to be and with the PG heavy draft coming if someone sleeps the Spurs may look in that direction.

    Personally I think Parker will be good enough for another year and at a stretch 2 so they have a small window to see what they have in Murray.

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  • #1089507
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    Most guys allegedly in the market(Knight, Dragic, Rubio…) are probably not clear cut upgrades (my opinion is they are worse) and Parker is too important to the team identity and chemistry, it’s possible he  retires within 2-3 years so I would expect this season to be his last year starting, with the PG of the future either be Murray or a guy from the upcoming draft. They can target any of the FA PGs (Lowry, Jrue, CP3…not counting Steph who I think won’t go) but even CP3 is aging and would decline probably fast.

    On the other hand, one should note that titles are not necessarily won by PGs in this league. Parker was never considered one of the top PGs in the league (mistakenly imo), Rondo won a title before even being considered a decent PG, and the Lakers or Bulls won with bad PGs with the triangle. 

     

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  • #1089515
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     I think they will be patient with Murray but if an opportunity to add another potential successor presents itself they will pounce. Lets be real though Parker still has some gas in the tank the Spurs are still winning and any offseason the Spurs can find a way to add a decent PG and fill the void if Tony completely declines. Murray needs to add some muscle bad.

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  • #1089516
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    John Wall isn’t happy in Washington. Could they make a package for him? He would get good shots for this team and make this team a very tough defensive team.

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  • #1089517
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     What about Ricky Rubio? Not the best shooter but can dribble, pass, defend, and run a team. And you would reunite him and Pau.  

    So Tony Parker for Rubio? Would the Spurs trade TP?  Who knows… both guys sport 12.1 PER’S.  T Wolves get a veteran guy to chip in to get Kris Dunn ready.

     

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    • #1089521
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       You do not trade TP. Respect for what the guy has given to the franchise, the city. He is a "spur for life".

      I think they might take Rubio if he is available for nothing or close to nothing, which might happen given the Timberwolves season. Rubio for a second rounder sounds more and more believable.

       

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  • #1089547
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     The Spurs probably have a lot of loyalty to Parker and he is under contract until the end of next season when Gasol if he opts in next summer expires too so that may be seen as the perfect rebuilding point. But the team is getting older – Parker is 35 next year, Gasol will turn 37 and LMA will be 32, so younger blood may be needed.

    But Popps has reduced Parker’s minutes to 25mpg so far this season so they are looking at other PG options for nearly half the match. I always see Spurs as being quite a classy outfit and might let Parker play out his time there but may have quietly told him another big contract may not be fortcoming in 2018 so if he did want to still be a key player on a team they would consider letting him move on.

    I personally think Tony will retire a Spurs player possibly at end of next season, he’d be 36 then, have good career earnings, numerous titles so very little need to play on to chase specific targets.

     

     

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  • #1089562
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     Ok this whole "disrespecting" thing has gone silly. Parker isn’t what he used to be. He’s nowehere near what he used to be. Saying they need to upgrade the PG spot isn’t disrespecting Parker. He’s been a very good player for a long time. That time is gone though. 

    Yeah San Antonio needs a PG upgrade. That’s been clear…that’s why Conley was connected to them so much. 

    I don’t think Wall would be a great fit given his propensity to hold the ball. Same goes for Chris Paul – though I’d have more faith in Paul being able to work it out more than Wall at this point. 

    Someone brought up George Hill. That would be really interesting because I know Pop loves Hill. He’s past his prime too though, so at some point, they could use some juice in the backcourt. 

    Problem for them is that they’ll have to wait because they don’t really have "assets" to trade. San Antonio is really good…but I’m not sure who I’d want back in a deal if I’m trading a vet point guard. Parker is worthless in a trade. Simmons and Anderson are unproven still and the rest of the roster is pretty much veterans who fit what they do…not necessarily what another team does. 

     

     

     

     

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  • #1089573
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     With next year’s draft being so PG heavy, there is always a chance that a good prospect could fall down the draft and it got me thinking. Remember in 2011 when Kawhi Leonard was considered a top 10 lock, lots of talk of Washington taking him at 6 on mocks on here but for some unknown reason Kawhi dropped down to 15 and Spurs traded up to get him. The same Kawhi is now a double DPOY, has been a Finals MVP, an All Star, won a championship etc.

    I’d not put it past the Spurs to try and pull a similar move next summer, trade up get a young PG, have him learn behind Parker for a year. Manu will probably be on staff to help guide him too, then come 2018 young PG can assume mantle.

     

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  • #1089575
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     As usual complete disregard for the huge advantage the Spurs have at the PG position off the bench.

    Mills gives 6th Man of the year level play for 3m a year.

    Its players like him which allow the Spurs to get guys like Gasol, Aldridge with their cap space.

    Upgrading at PG usually means subtracting elsewhere. Yet no-ones talking about that.

    But lets give Mills his due. Hes been torching teams in big games at all levels for years. Especially this year. Check traditional or advanced stats. Tells the same story.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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