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- Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 12:22pm #65095

valentineDisaster for 76ers and Ben Simmons.
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holefillers1ParticipantMost disappointing Hype, most disappointing. What did Doug Collins say about Bynum…"Everyone needs to pray for Andrew."
0- Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 12:56pm #1086892
Hype MachineDisappointing indeed.
Why a 6’10" 20yo PG is running all over the court at 250lbs is beyond me. Hes 20lbs too heavy. Now hes got a broken foot.
We saw the entire 2014 class of 19-20yo Rookies go down with lower body injuries. They were all bulking up too quickly as well.
Put simply…if these Rookies arent physically ready then adding 20lbs of muscle and then asking them to glide all over the court like a Gazelle is a recipe for long term injuries.
Its better to leave them skinny and bulk up at a more natural pace….or dont play them.
Ridiculous by the 76ers training staff.
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- Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 12:47pm #1086891

Robb_CParticipantThis is why I questioned him putting on all that weight that fast.. His body couldn’t handle it
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 12:58pm #1086893
JordoParticipantTrust the process
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 1:07pm #1086894

CameronCrazy11ParticipantExactly why people need to realize that putting on weight isn’t always the answer if your body isn’t physically ready for that added weight. You’d think a professional basketball team would know this. Look back at how trim LeBron was early in his career. Don’t know why Simmons wouldn’t want to follow a similar weight progression as LeBron has been one of the most durable players this century.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 1:16pm #1086895
BeastMode716Participantlike most 5th metatarsal breaks.Although I’m sure they will be Super cautious & keep him out a long time
I feel terrible for 76ers fans. I have Never seen a franchise Jinxed like this.
Wow – this is really unbelievable – 4 years in a row their Top Draft pick suffers a Major injury Rookie year & of course Bynum the year before that.
They’ll def get another top 3 pick but it’s a safe bet whoever they Draft next June will break a foot or tear a knee ligament at some point next year – Ouch, sorry 76ers fans I couldn’t resist
0- Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 3:45pm #1086901

ChrispyParticipant6-8 weeks is the usual for this? I don’t know my foot medicine too well. WHat is the big difference between this and the Embiid/Durant injuries?
0- Posted on: Sat, 10/01/2016 - 2:17pm #1086926
piratejpParticipantIt’s a break in a different spot. The 5th metatarsal is the outer edge – I just broke mine recently, and after some colorful bruising, about 6 weeks later I was up & about pretty much like normal. This was without any treatment beyond rest & ice.
The recovery time goes up the closer you get to the arch, where the bones are forced to bear a lot more weight, or if you have something like a Lisfranc injury where bones become displaced from out of the tallus (the ankle joint/socket). The recovery time on any of these can vary widely, but all are likely a lot longer than 6-8 weeks.
Simmons lucked out. He basically broke his pinky toe and now needs to chill for a month or so while it heals.
0- Posted on: Sat, 10/01/2016 - 2:29pm #1086928
piratejpParticipantAlso, unlike the Sam Bowie, Rik Smits types of potentially career-ending foot injuries – and why people were so concerned over Embiid when he hurt his foot – this has little long-term implications unless it triggers a compensatory injury in the soft tissue or fascia that goes on to plague him. The bone itself should be fine, and not at any elevated risk in the future, if it is allowed to properly set & heal now.
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- Posted on: Sat, 10/01/2016 - 1:42pm #1086924

OhCanada-ParticipantIf I’m Carson Wentz I stay as far away from anyone affiliate with the 76ers as possible.
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- Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 1:35pm #1086896

Reptilian MonkParticipantFoot issues for a young rookie, sketchy stuff. One of those potetnially lingering issues his entire career, hope he heals up and begins to flourish.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 1:47pm #1086897
Memphis MadnessParticipantThe Sixers are now tanking for Grayson Allen.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 2:34pm #1086898
Magic JordanParticipantI’m with Hype on this one. 6’10" PG at 235-240 lbs he is already a physical specimen. Why the need to gain the weight so quickly? Him organically growing into his body still makes him one of the most physically gifted players in the leage but they try to take the shortcut.
Fortunately it looks like the Lakers aren’t in the same kind of rush with Ingram. Working on strength as opposed to weight.
0- Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 3:26pm #1086900
Hype MachineThe Philly training staff is destroying careers by taking shortcuts to re-invent the wheel.
Im reading all these people say the 76ers are cursed. No….they’re just incompetent fools whos business model is based on luck, systematic gamesmanship and ill-advised shortcuts in their quest to avoid being an 8th seed.
They did the same with Embiid.
Hes seen doing through-the-leg dunks in warmups, coming off 2 foot surgeries, with 25lbs of unneccessary upper body mass like hes made of raw steel.
At some point the athletic staff need to step in and keep the enthusiasm of these young bucks in check. You cant expect 20yos to know about conditioning.
I was full of dread for Simmons career when I saw Philly draw the #1 pick. So from my perspective, this is nothing more than chickens coming home to roost.
0- Posted on: Sat, 10/01/2016 - 5:08am #1086918
BeastMode716Participantthe kid rolled an ankle at practice – just bad luck, he’ll prob miss 4 – 6 weeks of reg season games
Navicular bone is an entirely diff injury & they prob could have rushed Embiid back last year & he could have played – I felt like they did right by Embiid – they brought Noel back from a serious knee injury w/ no problems, Okafor too
They just have bad luck
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/01/2016 - 5:08am #1086919
BeastMode716Participantthe kid rolled an ankle at practice – just bad luck, he’ll prob miss 4 – 6 weeks of reg season games
Navicular bone is an entirely diff injury & they prob could have rushed Embiid back last year & he could have played – I felt like they did right by Embiid – they brought Noel back from a serious knee injury w/ no problems, Okafor too
They just have bad luck
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- Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 3:07pm #1086899

OhCanada-ParticipantIf only Hinkie were still here. Dream scenario for Sam.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 5:36pm #1086903
markfitz14ParticipantThis just plain sucks. My NETS pick is in serious jeoporady now. The Nets might be better than the 76ers now. Ughh what a disaster.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 5:38pm #1086904
markfitz14ParticipantESPN Article
"I’m a lot stronger [now]," said Simmons, who was listed at 240 pounds while at LSU but said Monday that he weighed 217 before the June 23 draft. "I’m at the point where I want to cut down a little bit and play at a nice weight. Physically just being out there, guys are a lot stronger than in college, but I’m also a lot stronger than I was in college, so it’s just about taking hits and bumps or whatever it is and finishing at the rim."
He was actually lighter than he usually is.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 6:34pm #1086905

omphalosParticipantI don’t think this is the worst thing for the Sixers this year, they get to see what Saric can do and Embiid gets to be the focal point in year one instead of sharing the spotlight.
Simmons should be fine in the long-term, but now they get to evaluate the pieces around him.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 6:55pm #1086906
JordanC20ParticipantThe curse of #1 draft picks continue.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 9:16pm #1086907

ZouldiersParticipantWell then, I guess Rookie of the Year is Buddy Hield’s award to lose.
0- Posted on: Sat, 10/01/2016 - 2:20pm #1086927
piratejpParticipantThe new kid in Minnesota might have something to say about that as well.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 10/02/2016 - 4:27pm #1086943

Andv1 WaitingParticipantSimmons would have been a top two favourtie for R.O.Y due to being a starter from day 1 and the ball in his hands however now:
Ingram,Hield and Dunn will get a crack at the R.O.Y as the rest just face to many issues to get minutes on the court.
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- Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 10:46pm #1086908

TravelinTravParticipantThat sucks l I was really looking forward to watching some Philly games, I think they will be a cool roster to watch. Who knows who they get in the draft next year, maybe it will end up better with a potential extra draft pick. As a T-Wolves fan my only advice is be patient ( not that Philly fans aren’t) and theirs always next year.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 10:49pm #1086909

Mr. 19134ParticipantMajor disapointment yes but its not the end of the world hell be back by December and in the meantime hell get to rehab in the most state of the art practice facility in the entire league that just opened. The Sixers pulled out all the stops for Embiid from sending him to Qatar to bringing in Big Z to mentor so u know they re gonna go beyond for Ben
0 - Posted on: Fri, 09/30/2016 - 11:00pm #1086910
RigelzParticipantFrom 215 to 250?? OMG… Like any mediocre trainer knows, the body of a person needs to adjust to a significant increase of weight, not everyone is ready to accept a change so abrupt. What a mess…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/01/2016 - 12:55am #1086914

GronounoursParticipantWhy is everyone assuming that this was caused by the weight gain?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/01/2016 - 2:36am #1086916

HitsterParticipantSad news for Simmons and 76ers – what is the recovery timeframe for this type of imjury? 2 months has been mentioned but some are talking as if it could be bulk of season.
I’d question the bulking up due to him playimng as a point forward, he’s not expected to bang in the paint like the frontcourters.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/01/2016 - 4:36am #1086917

IndianaBasketballParticipantThese guys need to listen to Tim Grover… You add small amounts of muscle weight and do it naturaly as you get older/body continues to mature. You don’t just add a ton so quickly like that. You can focus on getting stronger without adding a ton of lbs.
When I read about how much weight he’d put on, that’s the first thing I thought about was him either having knee or foot issues.
How *disappointing*.
0- Posted on: Sat, 10/01/2016 - 12:31pm #1086922

Robb_CParticipantLol I wouldnt listen to Grover, He trains his athletes to become way to bulky.. Look at Corey Maggette and D-Wade.. Both were injury laded when grover trained em..
0- Posted on: Sat, 10/01/2016 - 2:16pm #1086925

IndianaBasketballParticipantI’m not sure about Maggette, but D Wade had a large portion of his meniscus removed back at Marquette and had several injuries to his knees and shoulders due to his playing style before he ever went to Grover.
Grover is legit and strongly believes that athletes shouldn’t add weight/bulk that quickly. He spoke out against Ingram trying to add weight too quickly as well. This has been his philosophy since he was training Jordan in the late 80’s.
0- Posted on: Sat, 10/01/2016 - 8:06pm #1086932

Robb_CParticipantWell that much I agree with if thats the case.. But Ive noticed a lot of Grovers guys are built with stiff frames Quentin Richardson, Ben Gordon, Iggy, Corey Maggette.. His guys are def weightroom bodies which can create a stiff frame if the player or trainer isnt stretching the muscle what results, is a stocky looking basketball player..If I was directing a training staff I would make sure to start players on proper form and focus more on endurance of the muscle than building mass on it.. Creating endurance in the muscles creates better muscle memory and helps to decrease muscle imbalance
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- Posted on: Sat, 10/01/2016 - 1:15pm #1086923

Mr. 19134ParticipantSo to update people they re saying its an acute stress fracture and a non weigjt bearing injury
0- Posted on: Sat, 10/01/2016 - 3:26pm #1086930

IndianaBasketballParticipantBased on reports, they’re saying they think it’s an 100% acute fracture injury (definite break) and not a "stress" fracture (incomplete break/cracked bone cause from wear and tear over time). He’s having surgery no matter what, but the difference between the two is important because it confirms this wasn’t some injury he’s had over time. This isn’t something he’s been playing on and made worse.
It’s really unfortunate that it’s to his 5th metatarsal, since there’s little blood supply there and healing is slow. High chance of nonunion in this area and he’ll most likely need to have a screw inserted into his foot. Hopefully, the 76ers take their time with this and don’t risk chance of refracture.
0- Posted on: Sun, 10/02/2016 - 4:24pm #1086942

Andv1 WaitingParticipantThe following should happen if its a 5th metatarsal(I don’t know what the injury is though)..
Follow what K.D,Brook Lopez and Joel eventually did: A Bone graft instead of the screw method see screw issues: Not healing fast enough,regressing and also pain issues vs Bone graft/second procedure the all had which let them rehab then get right back to playing with minimal issues since the second surgery..
Coupled with proper rehab which they should have learnt from Embiid then the should maybe have Simmons back in about 3-6 months if they are cautious with him…
Me personally if I was Collengo I would use the time to evaluate who is staying after the midseason point and who is going to be moved for some assets…
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- Posted on: Sun, 10/02/2016 - 1:04pm #1086940

HitsterParticipantPrognosis is around 3 months, so being catious lets say around All Star game time. At least Philly can get Saric playing good minutes and hopefully we can see what Embiid can do.
I just hope Simmons’ surgery goes well and he makes a solid recovery. The one worry I’d have is if he isn’t training then he could end up 250lbs plus when he returns. So hopefully Philly will give him a fitness programme to do whilst he is out.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 10/02/2016 - 8:48pm #1086946

DolanCareParticipantSucky news. Silver lining, Saric can shine for the two months that Simmons sits.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/03/2016 - 3:59am #1086950

HitsterParticipantSaric will see some nice minutes but if Simmons was going to be point forward then the team will have to go in a different way until he returns as I don’t see Saric being able to play point forward although he is a good ball handler.
I’d assume the 76ers use a 4 man frontcourt rotation until Simmons returns.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 10/04/2016 - 4:57am #1086971
ashock34ParticipantFour top picks in last four drafts miss all or much of their rookie seasons. Is that a tecord? To be factual, the team did draft two of the four knowing they were already injured. The Noel investment panned out in that they nursed him back to health and we will soon know anout Embiid. Okafor was mishandled last year. They thought they could run him back in shape. He still has soeness in his knee and will miss tonights game. They also misread what kind of stress Simmons was under running around playing every position on the floor in practice. I mean its cool he can do it but with an extra 30 lbs in weight on those feet? Not too smart. If your gonna just use him in the paint keep him at 250 but if your gonna put him at point, play him at 230-240. Im not a scientist but my feet hurt more now that I picked up an extra 30lbs than I did when I was lighter.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 10/04/2016 - 5:55am #1086973
Jaymes BrownParticipant76ers are a better team with a young, naive, delusional Ben Simmons on the sidelines.
Saric is the stretch 4 PHI needs, and I’m not talking about just 20 minutes that Saric might get with Simmons stealing Saric’s minutes because of his relationship with the coach.
Then you have Noel, who is also a better PF than Simmons at this time. Now Noel can get minutes at PF next to Embiid, who should be able to stretch the floor and compliment Noel very well.
And the whole team gets to focus on playing team ball, and not just focusing on making Simmons look good. Now others get to be involved, and feel invested in the season.
You’d be surprised how much players resent playing with a ball stopping point diva, especially when the whole team is expected to play extra hard on defense to compensate for the diva resting for his next high risk flashy pass.
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