Jamal Murray vs. Buddy Hield

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Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 8:59pm #64670

Anton123
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This was a big debate prior to the draft, this site was absolutely certain Buddy Hield was the better player and he did get picked one spot higher.
So, after seeing each player appear in 4 summer league games any thoughts on who is better?
Jamal Murray stats: 28 mpg, 17.2 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.3 apg, 0.75 spg, 2.75 TOpg, 39 FG%, 26 3P%
Buddy Hield stats: 32.2 mpg, 18.2 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 3.5 apg, 0.8 spg, 3.25 TOpg, 34 FG%, 24.5 3P%
Very close stats, I would say Jamal Murray clearly wins: despite getting very little touches in the first two games, he actually managed to score more per 36 (22.1) than Hield (20.3) on better percentages and with fewer turnovers. Buddy Hield showed that he can affect the game in ways other than scoring with his rebounding and playmaking.
I know this is just four games, but that’s all we have. I’ve been in the Jamal Murray camp for a while and it’s cool to see him outplaying Hield despite being a lot younger and being considered a lot less NBA-ready.
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Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:30pm #1083445

he_gets_buckets
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I would hardly say he’s been outplaying Hield.. they’ve both been playing equally not that great.
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Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:30pm #1083278

he_gets_buckets
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I would hardly say he’s been outplaying Hield.. they’ve both been playing equally not that great.
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- Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:47pm #1083455
  
  Anton123
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  Jamal Murray has been playing really well the last two games: 25 points (40% shooting) and 20 points (53%).
  I agree they have both been struggling, but Murray has been playing better despite being younger.
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- Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:47pm #1083286
  
  Anton123
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  Jamal Murray has been playing really well the last two games: 25 points (40% shooting) and 20 points (53%).
  I agree they have both been struggling, but Murray has been playing better despite being younger.
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  - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 2:00am #1083497
    
    holefillers1
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    They started Murray at PG the last two games, he had one assist last night. Two the game before, where he shot 10-25 from the floor. He is not a PG. Move him off the ball
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  - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 2:00am #1083327
    
    holefillers1
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    They started Murray at PG the last two games, he had one assist last night. Two the game before, where he shot 10-25 from the floor. He is not a PG. Move him off the ball
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    - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 2:52am #1083527
      
      dudo670
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      Rack up assists when you can’t dribble and aren’t quick enough to make up for that lack of ball handling by blowing by your man. I think Murray can shoot, but that will be his role in the NBA, the catch and shoot Kyle Korver type (if he even gets that good), not this all star level combo guard so many people think he will be.
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    - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 2:52am #1083358
      
      dudo670
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      Rack up assists when you can’t dribble and aren’t quick enough to make up for that lack of ball handling by blowing by your man. I think Murray can shoot, but that will be his role in the NBA, the catch and shoot Kyle Korver type (if he even gets that good), not this all star level combo guard so many people think he will be.
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    - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 2:52am #1083370
      
      dudo670
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      Rack up assists when you can’t dribble and aren’t quick enough to make up for that lack of ball handling by blowing by your man. I think Murray can shoot, but that will be his role in the NBA, the catch and shoot Kyle Korver type (if he even gets that good), not this all star level combo guard so many people think he will be.
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  - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 2:00am #1083340
    
    holefillers1
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    They started Murray at PG the last two games, he had one assist last night. Two the game before, where he shot 10-25 from the floor. He is not a PG. Move him off the ball
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- Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:47pm #1083299
  
  Anton123
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  Jamal Murray has been playing really well the last two games: 25 points (40% shooting) and 20 points (53%).
  I agree they have both been struggling, but Murray has been playing better despite being younger.
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Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:30pm #1083290

he_gets_buckets
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I would hardly say he’s been outplaying Hield.. they’ve both been playing equally not that great.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 12:33am #1083485

circumlocution75
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the bigger upside…… Hield is Longer & you would think he’s got better measurables but I worry that Hield will be limited to a One dimensional player in the NBA
Now he is in the Perfect situation in New Orleans & I’m guessing the Pelicans took Hield b/c they Like his age & maturity b/c New Orleans is looking to win right now so I think it’s a good fit
Murray has more Skills but in the NBA Hield’s One skill might be better than all off Murray’s Skill set….. Summer League is tough to gage — it’s really a place for fringe guys to make a case a contract & it’s not a true measure of how Skills will translate to the NBA….so we’ll see

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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 12:33am #1083315

circumlocution75
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the bigger upside…… Hield is Longer & you would think he’s got better measurables but I worry that Hield will be limited to a One dimensional player in the NBA
Now he is in the Perfect situation in New Orleans & I’m guessing the Pelicans took Hield b/c they Like his age & maturity b/c New Orleans is looking to win right now so I think it’s a good fit
Murray has more Skills but in the NBA Hield’s One skill might be better than all off Murray’s Skill set….. Summer League is tough to gage — it’s really a place for fringe guys to make a case a contract & it’s not a true measure of how Skills will translate to the NBA….so we’ll see

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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 12:33am #1083329

circumlocution75
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the bigger upside…… Hield is Longer & you would think he’s got better measurables but I worry that Hield will be limited to a One dimensional player in the NBA
Now he is in the Perfect situation in New Orleans & I’m guessing the Pelicans took Hield b/c they Like his age & maturity b/c New Orleans is looking to win right now so I think it’s a good fit
Murray has more Skills but in the NBA Hield’s One skill might be better than all off Murray’s Skill set….. Summer League is tough to gage — it’s really a place for fringe guys to make a case a contract & it’s not a true measure of how Skills will translate to the NBA….so we’ll see

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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 4:24am #1083542

goddag
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Give it 3 years to compare these guys instead of 4 meaningless games.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 4:24am #1083374

goddag
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Give it 3 years to compare these guys instead of 4 meaningless games.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 4:24am #1083385

goddag
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Give it 3 years to compare these guys instead of 4 meaningless games.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 4:44am #1083394

OhCanada-
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Murray needs to adjust to the NBA game the same way he did the college game. It may take longer for him then it does for Hield but he is a very smart guy and will figure it out within his role.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 4:44am #1083551

OhCanada-
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Murray needs to adjust to the NBA game the same way he did the college game. It may take longer for him then it does for Hield but he is a very smart guy and will figure it out within his role.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 4:44am #1083382

OhCanada-
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Murray needs to adjust to the NBA game the same way he did the college game. It may take longer for him then it does for Hield but he is a very smart guy and will figure it out within his role.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 5:11am #1083400

Andrew1984
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I believe Jamal Murray is the better prospect, but I expect Hield to be more productive in the short-term, based on the situation in which they find themselves.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 5:11am #1083558

Andrew1984
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I believe Jamal Murray is the better prospect, but I expect Hield to be more productive in the short-term, based on the situation in which they find themselves.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 5:11am #1083389

Andrew1984
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I believe Jamal Murray is the better prospect, but I expect Hield to be more productive in the short-term, based on the situation in which they find themselves.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 7:32am #1083427

Mopgrass
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He hasn’t been making it, but I’ve been surprised how well Hield is getting his shot off. He gets more space than I thought he would. I think he’ll warrant his draft position.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 7:32am #1083439

Mopgrass
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He hasn’t been making it, but I’ve been surprised how well Hield is getting his shot off. He gets more space than I thought he would. I think he’ll warrant his draft position.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 7:32am #1083597

Mopgrass
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He hasn’t been making it, but I’ve been surprised how well Hield is getting his shot off. He gets more space than I thought he would. I think he’ll warrant his draft position.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 9:49am #1083469

Illadelph
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First off, both players are impressing in summer league. I actually though Hield would have better stats given he is older and had 4 years of college under his belt.
I think if oyu are comparing these two players, remember the age difference. Hield is a tad more than 3 years older than Murray. Hield had 4 years of college to develop. Age-adjusted, Murray has done much better than Hield. Therefore, I’d say that Murray has way mroe upside at this point and may wind up being the better NBA player.
I do think that Hield will get better in the NBA, and I don’t think he has "limited upside" per se. But Murray has to have more upside just based on his age. He was the first rookie to average 20ppg at Kentucky. And, although he has not demonstrated elite PG skills in summer league, after having watched him play the last 2 years, I think he definitely could develop into a very good point guard. If you are drafting for the future, then Murray is a better play since he can already contribute right now, but he also has tremendous upside. Hield can definitely contribute right now as well, but he has less upside.
Having said all of that, I love both players. They are both high character kids, and I would love to have either of them on my team.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 9:49am #1083480

Illadelph
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First off, both players are impressing in summer league. I actually though Hield would have better stats given he is older and had 4 years of college under his belt.
I think if oyu are comparing these two players, remember the age difference. Hield is a tad more than 3 years older than Murray. Hield had 4 years of college to develop. Age-adjusted, Murray has done much better than Hield. Therefore, I’d say that Murray has way mroe upside at this point and may wind up being the better NBA player.
I do think that Hield will get better in the NBA, and I don’t think he has "limited upside" per se. But Murray has to have more upside just based on his age. He was the first rookie to average 20ppg at Kentucky. And, although he has not demonstrated elite PG skills in summer league, after having watched him play the last 2 years, I think he definitely could develop into a very good point guard. If you are drafting for the future, then Murray is a better play since he can already contribute right now, but he also has tremendous upside. Hield can definitely contribute right now as well, but he has less upside.
Having said all of that, I love both players. They are both high character kids, and I would love to have either of them on my team.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 9:49am #1083638

Illadelph
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First off, both players are impressing in summer league. I actually though Hield would have better stats given he is older and had 4 years of college under his belt.
I think if oyu are comparing these two players, remember the age difference. Hield is a tad more than 3 years older than Murray. Hield had 4 years of college to develop. Age-adjusted, Murray has done much better than Hield. Therefore, I’d say that Murray has way mroe upside at this point and may wind up being the better NBA player.
I do think that Hield will get better in the NBA, and I don’t think he has "limited upside" per se. But Murray has to have more upside just based on his age. He was the first rookie to average 20ppg at Kentucky. And, although he has not demonstrated elite PG skills in summer league, after having watched him play the last 2 years, I think he definitely could develop into a very good point guard. If you are drafting for the future, then Murray is a better play since he can already contribute right now, but he also has tremendous upside. Hield can definitely contribute right now as well, but he has less upside.
Having said all of that, I love both players. They are both high character kids, and I would love to have either of them on my team.
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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 12:54pm #1083672

Biggysmalls
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Summer League is almost completely useless when trying to analyze how a player will be in the NBA.
It’s glorified wreck ball suited for whichever microwave scoring point guard can get the most shots up the quickest. There’s no rhythm or flow to a lot of the games and its ugly basketball.
that said, I’ll still watch it over baseball 😀

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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 12:54pm #1083502

Biggysmalls
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Summer League is almost completely useless when trying to analyze how a player will be in the NBA.
It’s glorified wreck ball suited for whichever microwave scoring point guard can get the most shots up the quickest. There’s no rhythm or flow to a lot of the games and its ugly basketball.
that said, I’ll still watch it over baseball 😀

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Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2016 - 12:54pm #1083513

Biggysmalls
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Summer League is almost completely useless when trying to analyze how a player will be in the NBA.
It’s glorified wreck ball suited for whichever microwave scoring point guard can get the most shots up the quickest. There’s no rhythm or flow to a lot of the games and its ugly basketball.
that said, I’ll still watch it over baseball 😀

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