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- Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 4:57am #64658
ChicagoCaseyParticipantI believe they are having a very preductive offseason even with the losses of Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson. I know many might think they overpaid for Solomon Hill, but he was a quality signing that emerged at the end of this past season. They also sign another two way player in E’Twaun Moore, they got quality ball handlers in signing Langston Galloway and resigning Tim Frazier, and they are about to sign Terrance Jones. To put it this way, the Rockets paying former Pelican players Ryan Anderson and Eric Gordon 31 million dollars, while Solomon Hill, E’Twaun Moore, Langston Galloway, Tim Frazier, and Terrance Jones all getting paid a total of 31 million dollars next season.
I still view them as a playoff team, even when they had underwhelming 2015-16 season, mostly due to starting the season being hurt. They added more way more depth this season that can actually play on the defensive side of the ball and can play in a Alvin Gentry offense. I still don’t like Tyreke Evans on the roster for the Pelicans, I believe they need to get rid of him for a quality wing, NOT RUDY GAY. I don’t like Tyreke Evans on this Pelicans team and don’t really like him as a wing player, he’s a point guard at heart. He limit Jrue Holiday by the way he dominates the ball and sometimes become a ball stopper. They need to move him.
After saying all of that, this season comes down to their two best players and Buddy Hield. Jrue Holiday and Anthony Davis have to stay healthy. Jrue Holiday when healthy is a top 10 point guard, he had a very underrated season last year while on a minutes restriction. In my opinion, Anthony Davis is still a top 5 player in the league. Buddy Hield also have to have a great season shooting to add another legit scoring threat to add to this roster, He really needs to perform next year to unlock to the Pelicans potential.
This Pelicans team is way more deeper than they ever been in the Anthony Davus era and this is the best team that they constructed in the Anthony Davis era. They was the 8th seed with a pretty bad roster. I can see them being that 5th seed outside the big 4 in the conference (GSW, SAS, LAC, and MEM). I believe the Pelicans can be a 50+ team next year and be a big threat when comes playoff time due to their depth and defensive additions they added.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 5:12am #1082916
PatrickMurphyParticipantI’m not quite as high on them but agree they are heading in the right direction. Terrence Jones is a good risk, but given his injury history and the team’s injury curse he may end up not helping.
The Brow needs a good team or we’ll be seeing him joining the Warriors when his contract is up.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 5:12am #1082924
PatrickMurphyParticipantI’m not quite as high on them but agree they are heading in the right direction. Terrence Jones is a good risk, but given his injury history and the team’s injury curse he may end up not helping.
The Brow needs a good team or we’ll be seeing him joining the Warriors when his contract is up.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 5:12am #1083084
PatrickMurphyParticipantI’m not quite as high on them but agree they are heading in the right direction. Terrence Jones is a good risk, but given his injury history and the team’s injury curse he may end up not helping.
The Brow needs a good team or we’ll be seeing him joining the Warriors when his contract is up.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 5:29am #1082922
HitsterParticipantNOP have added some nice strength in depth and if they can keep everyone fit should have a winning season. AD is only coming off his rookie deal to build a perfect supporting cast for him will take time. But of course AD remains the key, he is probably the highest rated frontcourt player in the NBA at the moment when we draw up best player lists, I know DMC is a stats filler and Drummond has huge potential but AD is probably top guy as the older players retire or aren’t so productive.
With AD there NOP will always be in the FA mix, we know they aren’t a huge franchise but any FA looking to compete would be attracted to AD as a running mate given his age and upside still to come.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 5:29am #1082930
HitsterParticipantNOP have added some nice strength in depth and if they can keep everyone fit should have a winning season. AD is only coming off his rookie deal to build a perfect supporting cast for him will take time. But of course AD remains the key, he is probably the highest rated frontcourt player in the NBA at the moment when we draw up best player lists, I know DMC is a stats filler and Drummond has huge potential but AD is probably top guy as the older players retire or aren’t so productive.
With AD there NOP will always be in the FA mix, we know they aren’t a huge franchise but any FA looking to compete would be attracted to AD as a running mate given his age and upside still to come.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 5:29am #1083090
HitsterParticipantNOP have added some nice strength in depth and if they can keep everyone fit should have a winning season. AD is only coming off his rookie deal to build a perfect supporting cast for him will take time. But of course AD remains the key, he is probably the highest rated frontcourt player in the NBA at the moment when we draw up best player lists, I know DMC is a stats filler and Drummond has huge potential but AD is probably top guy as the older players retire or aren’t so productive.
With AD there NOP will always be in the FA mix, we know they aren’t a huge franchise but any FA looking to compete would be attracted to AD as a running mate given his age and upside still to come.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:35am #1083197
circumlocution75ParticipantJru Holiday, Anthony Davis & Tyreke Evans are an excellent core & I would have drafted Jamal Murray over Buddy Hield but Buddy may end being a Perfect fit for the Pels
If I was New Orleans I would be pitching Russell Westbrook right Now in Anticipation of Free Agency next summer.
New Orleans is a GREAT town – Very open Minded, Extremely Fashionable & putting Russell Westbrook w/ the Unibrow & then acquiring pieces could be a Championship contender in time.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:35am #1083030
circumlocution75ParticipantJru Holiday, Anthony Davis & Tyreke Evans are an excellent core & I would have drafted Jamal Murray over Buddy Hield but Buddy may end being a Perfect fit for the Pels
If I was New Orleans I would be pitching Russell Westbrook right Now in Anticipation of Free Agency next summer.
New Orleans is a GREAT town – Very open Minded, Extremely Fashionable & putting Russell Westbrook w/ the Unibrow & then acquiring pieces could be a Championship contender in time.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:35am #1083039
circumlocution75ParticipantJru Holiday, Anthony Davis & Tyreke Evans are an excellent core & I would have drafted Jamal Murray over Buddy Hield but Buddy may end being a Perfect fit for the Pels
If I was New Orleans I would be pitching Russell Westbrook right Now in Anticipation of Free Agency next summer.
New Orleans is a GREAT town – Very open Minded, Extremely Fashionable & putting Russell Westbrook w/ the Unibrow & then acquiring pieces could be a Championship contender in time.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 10:06am #1083215
TRC1991ParticipantThis is not a playoff team. Too much money tied up in non-difference makers
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 10:06am #1083048
TRC1991ParticipantThis is not a playoff team. Too much money tied up in non-difference makers
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 10:06am #1083056
TRC1991ParticipantThis is not a playoff team. Too much money tied up in non-difference makers
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 11:06am #1083270
BiggysmallsParticipantI’m kinda with Taylor on this one.
Think the Pelicans popped up two years ago because of Durant being injured all year and they haven’t really gotten better since then.
I don’t know if Gentry is a good coach and while Davis is a big time player – he’s injury prone. You can bank on him missing at least 15 games a season at this point. Holiday, who I’m a big fan of, is also injury prone.
Evans is alright…I think he’s best suited as a 6th man type who can run a second unit.
Hield might be okay…we know he can shoot. What else is he bringing to the table though?
Hill, Moore and Galloway don’t move the needle much – which is fine if you’ve got a team that doesnt need big pieces. But they just lost Gordon and Anderson, who weren’t great. But they could score – when they weren’t hurt.
I don’t know. I don’t think the Pelicans are going to be bad. But I also don’t think they are going to be good. I think they are the definition of mediocre this upcoming year. That’s if they stay relatively healthy.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 11:06am #1083103
BiggysmallsParticipantI’m kinda with Taylor on this one.
Think the Pelicans popped up two years ago because of Durant being injured all year and they haven’t really gotten better since then.
I don’t know if Gentry is a good coach and while Davis is a big time player – he’s injury prone. You can bank on him missing at least 15 games a season at this point. Holiday, who I’m a big fan of, is also injury prone.
Evans is alright…I think he’s best suited as a 6th man type who can run a second unit.
Hield might be okay…we know he can shoot. What else is he bringing to the table though?
Hill, Moore and Galloway don’t move the needle much – which is fine if you’ve got a team that doesnt need big pieces. But they just lost Gordon and Anderson, who weren’t great. But they could score – when they weren’t hurt.
I don’t know. I don’t think the Pelicans are going to be bad. But I also don’t think they are going to be good. I think they are the definition of mediocre this upcoming year. That’s if they stay relatively healthy.
0- Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 3:01pm #1083181
ChicagoCaseyParticipantEven if Durant was healthy, the Pelicans was still a good team. They didn’t win all those games because Durant was injured and they beat OKC when they were healthy. Injuries are apart of the game and I can say the same thing about the Pelicans that season. Tons of the Pelicans key guys missed huge portions of the season.
I also disagree w/ their signings aren’t big difference makers. They signed 2 way players that filled huge needs that also fit in Alvin Gentry system. Most people saying that they overpaying for some of these guys just prove that y’all just look at basic stats and never seen them play. The Pelicans lacked ball handlers, defenders, and players that can shoot the ball. They signed players that can do all of that on reasonable contracts on the market.
Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson was both terrible fits in New Orleans and they are getting the same amount of money as the whole NO free agency class combine. They both were horrible defense and their only skill was they can knock down a three point shot. You can call Anthony Davis and Jrue Holiday injury prone, but they both are as well.
I don’t look into a season and say "I can’t predict that this team will not make the playoffs because they have players that been injured in the past". I believe that is lazy analyst. I’m not going to make predictions because of health because I don’t have a crystal ball. I make the assumption that everyone is healthy.
P.S. Buddy Hield is projected to more than just a "shooter".
0- Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 10:10pm #1083464
he_gets_bucketsParticipantIs he projected to be "much more"? Literally every scouting report I’ve read, the number one concern was if he could be more than just a shooter.. I’m not saying he won’t be more than that, but in what world is it a given that he’s going to more than Jodie Meeks?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 10:10pm #1083295
he_gets_bucketsParticipantIs he projected to be "much more"? Literally every scouting report I’ve read, the number one concern was if he could be more than just a shooter.. I’m not saying he won’t be more than that, but in what world is it a given that he’s going to more than Jodie Meeks?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 10:10pm #1083308
he_gets_bucketsParticipantIs he projected to be "much more"? Literally every scouting report I’ve read, the number one concern was if he could be more than just a shooter.. I’m not saying he won’t be more than that, but in what world is it a given that he’s going to more than Jodie Meeks?
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- Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 3:01pm #1083192
ChicagoCaseyParticipantEven if Durant was healthy, the Pelicans was still a good team. They didn’t win all those games because Durant was injured and they beat OKC when they were healthy. Injuries are apart of the game and I can say the same thing about the Pelicans that season. Tons of the Pelicans key guys missed huge portions of the season.
I also disagree w/ their signings aren’t big difference makers. They signed 2 way players that filled huge needs that also fit in Alvin Gentry system. Most people saying that they overpaying for some of these guys just prove that y’all just look at basic stats and never seen them play. The Pelicans lacked ball handlers, defenders, and players that can shoot the ball. They signed players that can do all of that on reasonable contracts on the market.
Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson was both terrible fits in New Orleans and they are getting the same amount of money as the whole NO free agency class combine. They both were horrible defense and their only skill was they can knock down a three point shot. You can call Anthony Davis and Jrue Holiday injury prone, but they both are as well.
I don’t look into a season and say "I can’t predict that this team will not make the playoffs because they have players that been injured in the past". I believe that is lazy analyst. I’m not going to make predictions because of health because I don’t have a crystal ball. I make the assumption that everyone is healthy.
P.S. Buddy Hield is projected to more than just a "shooter".
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 3:01pm #1083348
ChicagoCaseyParticipantEven if Durant was healthy, the Pelicans was still a good team. They didn’t win all those games because Durant was injured and they beat OKC when they were healthy. Injuries are apart of the game and I can say the same thing about the Pelicans that season. Tons of the Pelicans key guys missed huge portions of the season.
I also disagree w/ their signings aren’t big difference makers. They signed 2 way players that filled huge needs that also fit in Alvin Gentry system. Most people saying that they overpaying for some of these guys just prove that y’all just look at basic stats and never seen them play. The Pelicans lacked ball handlers, defenders, and players that can shoot the ball. They signed players that can do all of that on reasonable contracts on the market.
Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson was both terrible fits in New Orleans and they are getting the same amount of money as the whole NO free agency class combine. They both were horrible defense and their only skill was they can knock down a three point shot. You can call Anthony Davis and Jrue Holiday injury prone, but they both are as well.
I don’t look into a season and say "I can’t predict that this team will not make the playoffs because they have players that been injured in the past". I believe that is lazy analyst. I’m not going to make predictions because of health because I don’t have a crystal ball. I make the assumption that everyone is healthy.
P.S. Buddy Hield is projected to more than just a "shooter".
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- Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 11:06am #1083113
BiggysmallsParticipantI’m kinda with Taylor on this one.
Think the Pelicans popped up two years ago because of Durant being injured all year and they haven’t really gotten better since then.
I don’t know if Gentry is a good coach and while Davis is a big time player – he’s injury prone. You can bank on him missing at least 15 games a season at this point. Holiday, who I’m a big fan of, is also injury prone.
Evans is alright…I think he’s best suited as a 6th man type who can run a second unit.
Hield might be okay…we know he can shoot. What else is he bringing to the table though?
Hill, Moore and Galloway don’t move the needle much – which is fine if you’ve got a team that doesnt need big pieces. But they just lost Gordon and Anderson, who weren’t great. But they could score – when they weren’t hurt.
I don’t know. I don’t think the Pelicans are going to be bad. But I also don’t think they are going to be good. I think they are the definition of mediocre this upcoming year. That’s if they stay relatively healthy.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 1:37pm #1083172
Edgecat20ParticipantThey signed Terrence Jones to a 1 year contract at the minimum today. Seems like a hell of a deal to me. Don’t know why it seems like most teams have gave up on him. Gets to play with AD again
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 1:37pm #1083183
Edgecat20ParticipantThey signed Terrence Jones to a 1 year contract at the minimum today. Seems like a hell of a deal to me. Don’t know why it seems like most teams have gave up on him. Gets to play with AD again
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 1:37pm #1083339
Edgecat20ParticipantThey signed Terrence Jones to a 1 year contract at the minimum today. Seems like a hell of a deal to me. Don’t know why it seems like most teams have gave up on him. Gets to play with AD again
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 4:17pm #1083208
BiggysmallsParticipantWe see it every year where a team overachieves, buys into it and then regresses.
I think that is what the Pelicans 2014-15 season was. If they are a playoff team this upcoming season, I don’t think it is better than the 8th seed. I don’t think they are going to be that good.
You are right Casey – they were ravaged by injuries this past year. The year before, they were hit pretty hard by injuries too though and still made the playoffs. Evidence that maybe 2015 was the outlier.
Making the assumption that everyone is gonna stay healthy is foolish. Sorry if you think that assuming guys will get hurt is lazy. When players continually get hurt year in and year out, thats a trend. Noticing that isn’t being lazy. It’s being astute.
If Davis and Holiday played in 75 games each, the Pelicans might be a more solid pick to be a playoff team. But neither has done that lately…so what is New Orleans going to do if/when those guys go down? Are they good enough to win if Holiday goes down for significant time? I tend to not think so.
The Pelicans signings don’t move the needle for me not because I’m looking at basic stats, it’s because from what I’ve seen, I didn’t see major difference maker.
Solomon Hill isnt a two-way player. He plays defense. He can’t shoot, he’s not a good scorer and if he was so good, he would’ve played more than 14 minutes a night for the Pacers. He’s fine. He’s not terrible. You can live with guys who stay in their lane and guard people. But I don’t think he’s a big difference maker. He’s a nice player sure…not one who changes my perspective on how good the Pels can be.
What is Buddy Hield projected to be? What is Buddy Hield going to be? I know he can shoot. Everybody knows he can shoot. Nobody ever mentions what else he does? I suspect its because he doesnt do a lot else. He’s not a strong defender. He’s not a great shot-creator. He’s a great outside shooter and he’ll be a rookie. Depending on him to get 16-20 ppg isn’t smart.
I think with reasonable health – Davis 65-70 games and Holiday 60-70 games, along with no other major injury issues, I’d put the Pelicans on like 38-40 wins. I don’t think that gets them in the playoffs. Don’t think they’ll be awful. Just not as optimistic as Casey.
0- Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 4:30pm #1083211
IndianaBasketballParticipantI agree with you. Plus Anthony Davis had a weird knee surgery due to a stress reaction and tendon issue. It may take him some time to get back to a high level of play.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 4:30pm #1083222
IndianaBasketballParticipantI agree with you. Plus Anthony Davis had a weird knee surgery due to a stress reaction and tendon issue. It may take him some time to get back to a high level of play.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 4:30pm #1083378
IndianaBasketballParticipantI agree with you. Plus Anthony Davis had a weird knee surgery due to a stress reaction and tendon issue. It may take him some time to get back to a high level of play.
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- Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 4:17pm #1083219
BiggysmallsParticipantWe see it every year where a team overachieves, buys into it and then regresses.
I think that is what the Pelicans 2014-15 season was. If they are a playoff team this upcoming season, I don’t think it is better than the 8th seed. I don’t think they are going to be that good.
You are right Casey – they were ravaged by injuries this past year. The year before, they were hit pretty hard by injuries too though and still made the playoffs. Evidence that maybe 2015 was the outlier.
Making the assumption that everyone is gonna stay healthy is foolish. Sorry if you think that assuming guys will get hurt is lazy. When players continually get hurt year in and year out, thats a trend. Noticing that isn’t being lazy. It’s being astute.
If Davis and Holiday played in 75 games each, the Pelicans might be a more solid pick to be a playoff team. But neither has done that lately…so what is New Orleans going to do if/when those guys go down? Are they good enough to win if Holiday goes down for significant time? I tend to not think so.
The Pelicans signings don’t move the needle for me not because I’m looking at basic stats, it’s because from what I’ve seen, I didn’t see major difference maker.
Solomon Hill isnt a two-way player. He plays defense. He can’t shoot, he’s not a good scorer and if he was so good, he would’ve played more than 14 minutes a night for the Pacers. He’s fine. He’s not terrible. You can live with guys who stay in their lane and guard people. But I don’t think he’s a big difference maker. He’s a nice player sure…not one who changes my perspective on how good the Pels can be.
What is Buddy Hield projected to be? What is Buddy Hield going to be? I know he can shoot. Everybody knows he can shoot. Nobody ever mentions what else he does? I suspect its because he doesnt do a lot else. He’s not a strong defender. He’s not a great shot-creator. He’s a great outside shooter and he’ll be a rookie. Depending on him to get 16-20 ppg isn’t smart.
I think with reasonable health – Davis 65-70 games and Holiday 60-70 games, along with no other major injury issues, I’d put the Pelicans on like 38-40 wins. I don’t think that gets them in the playoffs. Don’t think they’ll be awful. Just not as optimistic as Casey.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 4:17pm #1083375
BiggysmallsParticipantWe see it every year where a team overachieves, buys into it and then regresses.
I think that is what the Pelicans 2014-15 season was. If they are a playoff team this upcoming season, I don’t think it is better than the 8th seed. I don’t think they are going to be that good.
You are right Casey – they were ravaged by injuries this past year. The year before, they were hit pretty hard by injuries too though and still made the playoffs. Evidence that maybe 2015 was the outlier.
Making the assumption that everyone is gonna stay healthy is foolish. Sorry if you think that assuming guys will get hurt is lazy. When players continually get hurt year in and year out, thats a trend. Noticing that isn’t being lazy. It’s being astute.
If Davis and Holiday played in 75 games each, the Pelicans might be a more solid pick to be a playoff team. But neither has done that lately…so what is New Orleans going to do if/when those guys go down? Are they good enough to win if Holiday goes down for significant time? I tend to not think so.
The Pelicans signings don’t move the needle for me not because I’m looking at basic stats, it’s because from what I’ve seen, I didn’t see major difference maker.
Solomon Hill isnt a two-way player. He plays defense. He can’t shoot, he’s not a good scorer and if he was so good, he would’ve played more than 14 minutes a night for the Pacers. He’s fine. He’s not terrible. You can live with guys who stay in their lane and guard people. But I don’t think he’s a big difference maker. He’s a nice player sure…not one who changes my perspective on how good the Pels can be.
What is Buddy Hield projected to be? What is Buddy Hield going to be? I know he can shoot. Everybody knows he can shoot. Nobody ever mentions what else he does? I suspect its because he doesnt do a lot else. He’s not a strong defender. He’s not a great shot-creator. He’s a great outside shooter and he’ll be a rookie. Depending on him to get 16-20 ppg isn’t smart.
I think with reasonable health – Davis 65-70 games and Holiday 60-70 games, along with no other major injury issues, I’d put the Pelicans on like 38-40 wins. I don’t think that gets them in the playoffs. Don’t think they’ll be awful. Just not as optimistic as Casey.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 11:31pm #1083470
HitsterParticipantHield as a shooter will help NOP spread the play particularly when AD is on court or he can be used as the main scoring threat with the 2nd unit so I personally feel he was the best available player for them to draft.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 11:31pm #1083300
HitsterParticipantHield as a shooter will help NOP spread the play particularly when AD is on court or he can be used as the main scoring threat with the 2nd unit so I personally feel he was the best available player for them to draft.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/14/2016 - 11:31pm #1083314
HitsterParticipantHield as a shooter will help NOP spread the play particularly when AD is on court or he can be used as the main scoring threat with the 2nd unit so I personally feel he was the best available player for them to draft.
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