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- Posted on: Fri, 06/24/2016 - 9:25pm #64416
ChicagoCaseyParticipantI never really got the hate for the 76ers due to the fact that they are rebuilding and they don’t want to end up like the Atlanta Hawks, staying mediocre. Alos, their two best prospects didn’t touch the floor for them yet, Dario Saric and Joel Embiid In my opinion, the 76ers had the best draft in the league. They drafted the best players and got two players I thought could go in the late lottery to mid first round in Timothe Luwawu and Forkan Korkmaz. They also have two of the best trading blocks in the league in Jahlil Okafor and Nerlens Noel.
Next year they most likely going to have a top 3 draft pick and could have another if the Lakers pick fall out the top 3. I really love Markelle Fultz to the 76ers to be their main target in next year draft. I believe he fits perfectly with Ben Simmons because he can player off the ball as much as he can play on the ball, he don’t need the ball to be successful in the league. There roster is really filling out by getting a franchis player in Ben Simmons, getting Joel Embiid back from injury, can still trade Okafor and Noel for quality players, and most liekly will get two top 10 picks in next years loaded draft. All of the sudden the 76ers have transformed from being the laughing stock of the league to becoming one of the best young rosters in the league over night.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/24/2016 - 11:52pm #1077292
Anton123ParticipantThe hate is because we’ve seen teams become contenders without such unprecedented massive tank jobs. This is not the only way and it still hasn’t worked, if it will, I’m sure people will hate less, right now we only see the awful-awful-painfully awful team. They made a point of drafting guys who were injured and not willing to move over straight away becuase they wanted to be worse at the moment, they traded away the rookie of the year right after his ROY season, they traded all their veterans who would’ve been so good for the young players’ development. Their best players hate playing on their team, no free agents want to go to Philly, people hope they don’t get drafted by the team.
I don’t hate them, I think it might work and I will be happy if it does, honestly. But c’mon, do you really not get the hate? In most professional leagues (talking international leagues here) they would be sent down to a lower division, lose most of their fans and not get bailed out and helped by a system that supports underachieving (the draft).
You, yourself, are predicting them to be bad again this season, right? You’re saying they might get a top-3 pick. I hope you’re wrong, because if they are terrible again, they will be in trouble, It’s Noel’s contract’s final year, Embiid has two years left, Okafor may demand a trade, Saric may refuse to come over. The rebuild is taking so long, that all the rookie contracts are expiring already.
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 12:39am #1077298
ChicagoCaseyParticipant1.) They got rid of Jrue Holliday, Thad Young, and Evan Turner. Those are the young guys that you are reffering to that they traded. Since they’ve been traded, Jrue Holliday been injury pronbe, Thad Young have been on 3 other teams, and Evan Turner is going to his third team since the trade. None of them turned into a star or helped a contending team. That team was going nowhere. They traded them because they knew they was not gooing nowhere and they were the Atlanta Hawks.
2.) Michael Carter-Williams is not good and he won rookie of the year in a year when theren was no good rookies besides Oladipo. He was a quality of a team that polayed the fastest pace in the league. He’s been garbage since that trade and not going to be a top point guard in the league.
3.) Most of thecontenders in the league build through the draft and most likely got their picks at the top of the draft. Golden State best players are Klay and Steph, both lottery picks. Cavs starting 5 are made up of top 5 picks, besides JR. OKC team was trash before they got KD and experimented him at the shooting guard position just to tank. Top teams build through the lottery. The 76ers do not want to be like the Hawks and be mediocre.
4.) This year is the first year in the tank era that they actually had the worst record in the league, they aren’t the only team that’s been bad. Saric is not over yet because his team won’t let him out and because of his buy out, get the idea out your head that he don’t want to come over because he said that he does. The Sixers drafted the best talent their board, Noel and Embiid was the top talents on that board.
5.) Don’t make assumptions that cannot be made true. Bring up direct links when their best players say that they don’t want to play for Philly and FA said that they don’t want to play for Philly. Stop making stuff up to make an argument.
6.) It’s a thing called restricted free agency. And the Sixers most likely going to move either Okafor or Noel. "Okafor may demand a trade" they are looking to trade him. And they won’t be in "trouble". They would add a top level talnet in a very great draft, that’s not "trouble". +NEW MANAGMENT.
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 1:03am #1077306
Anton123Participant1) The things you are saying are true. However, first of all, I said the veterans were important for the young players’ development. Look at the exmple of what Minnesota is doing: they brought in KG and Prince to have someone to learn from in practice. The Sixers did the complete opposite, they brought in a bunch of losing players, their most accomplished players are Carl Landry and Ish Smith.
3) No, most contenders don’t build the way the Sixers are, that’s why they are "historically bad" and not "bad like the Thunder and Spurs were when they got their top picks".
5) KJ McDaniels is a guy they lost because he didn’t want to play for them. The losing culture is porbably (an assumption, sorry) one of the reasons why Okafor was getting in trouble, why Embiid was so undisciplined his first year (spent time in strip clubs with pornstars, reinjured his leg).
As for Saric, the decision is his right now, we’ll see if he comes over, if he doesn’t it’s because he wants money more than to play for the Sixers. It’s a financial decision for him.
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 2:35am #1077318
220ParticipantKJ McDaniels was OK with playing for Philadelphia, he just wasn’t OK with a crap deal of four years basically at the minimum like Jerami Grant, Robert Covington, and nearly every other player Sam Hinkie signed took. He took the one year qualifier at the minimum so he could be a free agent sooner and start making better money. Hinkie didn’t want to pay anyone a lot to play it seems only go away so he was dealt for Isaiah Canaan and a second round pick.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 2:35am #1077427
220ParticipantKJ McDaniels was OK with playing for Philadelphia, he just wasn’t OK with a crap deal of four years basically at the minimum like Jerami Grant, Robert Covington, and nearly every other player Sam Hinkie signed took. He took the one year qualifier at the minimum so he could be a free agent sooner and start making better money. Hinkie didn’t want to pay anyone a lot to play it seems only go away so he was dealt for Isaiah Canaan and a second round pick.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 1:03am #1077415
Anton123Participant1) The things you are saying are true. However, first of all, I said the veterans were important for the young players’ development. Look at the exmple of what Minnesota is doing: they brought in KG and Prince to have someone to learn from in practice. The Sixers did the complete opposite, they brought in a bunch of losing players, their most accomplished players are Carl Landry and Ish Smith.
3) No, most contenders don’t build the way the Sixers are, that’s why they are "historically bad" and not "bad like the Thunder and Spurs were when they got their top picks".
5) KJ McDaniels is a guy they lost because he didn’t want to play for them. The losing culture is porbably (an assumption, sorry) one of the reasons why Okafor was getting in trouble, why Embiid was so undisciplined his first year (spent time in strip clubs with pornstars, reinjured his leg).
As for Saric, the decision is his right now, we’ll see if he comes over, if he doesn’t it’s because he wants money more than to play for the Sixers. It’s a financial decision for him.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 12:39am #1077407
ChicagoCaseyParticipant1.) They got rid of Jrue Holliday, Thad Young, and Evan Turner. Those are the young guys that you are reffering to that they traded. Since they’ve been traded, Jrue Holliday been injury pronbe, Thad Young have been on 3 other teams, and Evan Turner is going to his third team since the trade. None of them turned into a star or helped a contending team. That team was going nowhere. They traded them because they knew they was not gooing nowhere and they were the Atlanta Hawks.
2.) Michael Carter-Williams is not good and he won rookie of the year in a year when theren was no good rookies besides Oladipo. He was a quality of a team that polayed the fastest pace in the league. He’s been garbage since that trade and not going to be a top point guard in the league.
3.) Most of thecontenders in the league build through the draft and most likely got their picks at the top of the draft. Golden State best players are Klay and Steph, both lottery picks. Cavs starting 5 are made up of top 5 picks, besides JR. OKC team was trash before they got KD and experimented him at the shooting guard position just to tank. Top teams build through the lottery. The 76ers do not want to be like the Hawks and be mediocre.
4.) This year is the first year in the tank era that they actually had the worst record in the league, they aren’t the only team that’s been bad. Saric is not over yet because his team won’t let him out and because of his buy out, get the idea out your head that he don’t want to come over because he said that he does. The Sixers drafted the best talent their board, Noel and Embiid was the top talents on that board.
5.) Don’t make assumptions that cannot be made true. Bring up direct links when their best players say that they don’t want to play for Philly and FA said that they don’t want to play for Philly. Stop making stuff up to make an argument.
6.) It’s a thing called restricted free agency. And the Sixers most likely going to move either Okafor or Noel. "Okafor may demand a trade" they are looking to trade him. And they won’t be in "trouble". They would add a top level talnet in a very great draft, that’s not "trouble". +NEW MANAGMENT.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 12:44am #1077300
220ParticipantWithout some additional tweaking to the roster the 76ers will almost assuredly still be a lottery team next year. I don’t however believe they’ll be one of the three worst teams in the league even if the only additions they make are signing the players they drafted this season, signing Saric, having Embiid play, and adding Ish Smith. The reason I say that is Brett Brown has his guys play hard every night despite their lack of talent, their problem is they often struggle scoring significantly. Jahlil Okafor could score easily last year, but he started seeing double and triple teams often since most of the 76ers are far from impressive shooters. Adding Ish Smith changed things up and helped them score more easily and he’s a third string point guard at best for most of the league. Adding Ben Simmons should eliminate much of their scoring concerns because of his size, passing ability, and ability to get to the rim. I’m not saying he’ll be enough to take the 76ers to the playoffs, but he’ll make the team far more watchable and he can help keep the offense from stalling as often.
The 76ers are fortunate however to still be able to swap picks with the Kings in lottery if the Kings fall between 1-10. I’m not certain the 76ers will have a better record than Sacramento, but if the Kings have lottery luck and manage to get the first pick next year it goes to Philadelphia. So they still could have a top 3 pick without being one of the league’s worst teams.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 12:44am #1077409
220ParticipantWithout some additional tweaking to the roster the 76ers will almost assuredly still be a lottery team next year. I don’t however believe they’ll be one of the three worst teams in the league even if the only additions they make are signing the players they drafted this season, signing Saric, having Embiid play, and adding Ish Smith. The reason I say that is Brett Brown has his guys play hard every night despite their lack of talent, their problem is they often struggle scoring significantly. Jahlil Okafor could score easily last year, but he started seeing double and triple teams often since most of the 76ers are far from impressive shooters. Adding Ish Smith changed things up and helped them score more easily and he’s a third string point guard at best for most of the league. Adding Ben Simmons should eliminate much of their scoring concerns because of his size, passing ability, and ability to get to the rim. I’m not saying he’ll be enough to take the 76ers to the playoffs, but he’ll make the team far more watchable and he can help keep the offense from stalling as often.
The 76ers are fortunate however to still be able to swap picks with the Kings in lottery if the Kings fall between 1-10. I’m not certain the 76ers will have a better record than Sacramento, but if the Kings have lottery luck and manage to get the first pick next year it goes to Philadelphia. So they still could have a top 3 pick without being one of the league’s worst teams.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 5:02am #1077354
negguaryParticipantWhich teams were REAL contenders that didn’t tank? I’ll wait….ok yeah people say this and realize that the ranking was pushed back because of embid’s set back. Had he not had a set back the tanking would have gone a little differently, but it happened to work out better. People slander heinke but each year he drafted he chose the bpa at that slot! Okc tanked, shoot even the 2016 champion Cleveland cavs tanked for three years in order to assure they had proper assets and talent to lure lebron back! Everyone loves to say lebron went back to go home, but fail to say why he really went back was because they had a more talented young roster than he had in Mia and he needed youth to help him because he would eventually start to regress. So what’s the real reason for the hate? Because we had the heart to do it, and have an educated fan base that’s willing to be patient to see it come to fruition!!
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 6:02am #1077366
220ParticipantThe Cavs sucked when Lebron left which was a major part of why he left in the first place.
0- Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2016 - 7:16am #1077625
negguaryParticipantmade my point! Even with a generational talent in LeBron they could not put together a team that could truly win. It wasn’t until he left and they tanked for four year and acquired assets were they in a position to truly contend!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2016 - 7:16am #1077732
negguaryParticipantmade my point! Even with a generational talent in LeBron they could not put together a team that could truly win. It wasn’t until he left and they tanked for four year and acquired assets were they in a position to truly contend!
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 6:02am #1077474
220ParticipantThe Cavs sucked when Lebron left which was a major part of why he left in the first place.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 5:02am #1077462
negguaryParticipantWhich teams were REAL contenders that didn’t tank? I’ll wait….ok yeah people say this and realize that the ranking was pushed back because of embid’s set back. Had he not had a set back the tanking would have gone a little differently, but it happened to work out better. People slander heinke but each year he drafted he chose the bpa at that slot! Okc tanked, shoot even the 2016 champion Cleveland cavs tanked for three years in order to assure they had proper assets and talent to lure lebron back! Everyone loves to say lebron went back to go home, but fail to say why he really went back was because they had a more talented young roster than he had in Mia and he needed youth to help him because he would eventually start to regress. So what’s the real reason for the hate? Because we had the heart to do it, and have an educated fan base that’s willing to be patient to see it come to fruition!!
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- Posted on: Fri, 06/24/2016 - 11:52pm #1077401
Anton123ParticipantThe hate is because we’ve seen teams become contenders without such unprecedented massive tank jobs. This is not the only way and it still hasn’t worked, if it will, I’m sure people will hate less, right now we only see the awful-awful-painfully awful team. They made a point of drafting guys who were injured and not willing to move over straight away becuase they wanted to be worse at the moment, they traded away the rookie of the year right after his ROY season, they traded all their veterans who would’ve been so good for the young players’ development. Their best players hate playing on their team, no free agents want to go to Philly, people hope they don’t get drafted by the team.
I don’t hate them, I think it might work and I will be happy if it does, honestly. But c’mon, do you really not get the hate? In most professional leagues (talking international leagues here) they would be sent down to a lower division, lose most of their fans and not get bailed out and helped by a system that supports underachieving (the draft).
You, yourself, are predicting them to be bad again this season, right? You’re saying they might get a top-3 pick. I hope you’re wrong, because if they are terrible again, they will be in trouble, It’s Noel’s contract’s final year, Embiid has two years left, Okafor may demand a trade, Saric may refuse to come over. The rebuild is taking so long, that all the rookie contracts are expiring already.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 2:26am #1077314
Ahkasi ClayParticipanti don’t dislike the 76ers, but hate that they wanted to lose. it is just opposite of everything that is good about sports.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 2:26am #1077423
Ahkasi ClayParticipanti don’t dislike the 76ers, but hate that they wanted to lose. it is just opposite of everything that is good about sports.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 3:07am #1077324
ashock34ParticipantSixers will have two picks in the lottery next year. One from the Sacremento Swap and the other the Lakers pick. Both will be top ten. They will then pick the best back court players available. Combine that draft with a free agent or two and goodbye lottery for at least the next ten years. Championship by 2020.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 3:07am #1077433
ashock34ParticipantSixers will have two picks in the lottery next year. One from the Sacremento Swap and the other the Lakers pick. Both will be top ten. They will then pick the best back court players available. Combine that draft with a free agent or two and goodbye lottery for at least the next ten years. Championship by 2020.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 3:36am #1077336
binetParticipantJust regarding Kevin Durant free agency there are multiple scenarios where the 6ers could get a decent deal of veterans just because of their cap space.
For example, if the Spurs land Durant, the most likely scenario to make room for his 26M$ is that they get rid of Danny Green and Boris Diaw.
I think the 6ers would be favorite to get the pair if they offer this year #26 selection Furkan Korkmaz (to be stashed overseas).
Both are the type of veterans the 6ers look for in terms of BBall IQ and tempered personality to develop their youngs.
Diaw has been one of the rare players to be considered a "ponit forward" like Simmons is expected to be. Though I hope Simmons never end as slow and fat as Boris, he should learn a lot from him, especially defensively (Diaw was amazing against LeBron 2 years ago).
That plus one or two key free agents and a good Okafor trade should make the team look at least decent and put itself in the position to be in the playoff run in the east, if not next season, the following year.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 3:36am #1077444
binetParticipantJust regarding Kevin Durant free agency there are multiple scenarios where the 6ers could get a decent deal of veterans just because of their cap space.
For example, if the Spurs land Durant, the most likely scenario to make room for his 26M$ is that they get rid of Danny Green and Boris Diaw.
I think the 6ers would be favorite to get the pair if they offer this year #26 selection Furkan Korkmaz (to be stashed overseas).
Both are the type of veterans the 6ers look for in terms of BBall IQ and tempered personality to develop their youngs.
Diaw has been one of the rare players to be considered a "ponit forward" like Simmons is expected to be. Though I hope Simmons never end as slow and fat as Boris, he should learn a lot from him, especially defensively (Diaw was amazing against LeBron 2 years ago).
That plus one or two key free agents and a good Okafor trade should make the team look at least decent and put itself in the position to be in the playoff run in the east, if not next season, the following year.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 4:28am #1077346
HitsterParticipantThe 76ers ended up being screwed up by the D12, Bynum, Iggy trade – they lost Vucevic who has become a good starting NBA C and Iggy who was their best player then. Hinkie ended up with a team owing trade picks to other teams when he took over – Evan Turner didn’t become the player we hoped he would.
We don’t know who instigated the Jrue Holiday trade for 6th pick in 2013 but Holiday has missed around 100 games for NOP since the trade and Philly has turned that into Noel and Saric and got a pick back from Orlando in Saric deal.
Where Hinkie did take rightful stick IMO is with his tank policy and using it to justify drafting injured players. Noel would have gone higher if fit and so to would Embiid I believe and there was no way they could pass on Embiid at 3rd in 2014 I thought. The anger was in the 2014 draft Hinkie had taken two picks in Saric and Embiid who wouldn’t see action that year and fans didn’t buy into the long term plan and didn’t want a 10-12 win team to support.
Trading MCW didn’t help either again though he hasn’t set the Bucks on fire and Hinkie got a good potential pick back for him.
We have yet to see Saric, Embiid in the NBA and still don’t know what pick via Lakers and Phoenix will yield the 76ers.
Also I feel it is unfair that Okafor has always been seen as being on the trade block foer no fault of his own. He may not have the potential of Simmons or a fit Embiid but he could be a solid 20/10 player for many years if used correctly.
How Philly fit everyone in I will wait and see, I just want to see Embiid fit and playing more than anything else and look forward to seeing Saric and Simmons in the NBA too.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 4:28am #1077454
HitsterParticipantThe 76ers ended up being screwed up by the D12, Bynum, Iggy trade – they lost Vucevic who has become a good starting NBA C and Iggy who was their best player then. Hinkie ended up with a team owing trade picks to other teams when he took over – Evan Turner didn’t become the player we hoped he would.
We don’t know who instigated the Jrue Holiday trade for 6th pick in 2013 but Holiday has missed around 100 games for NOP since the trade and Philly has turned that into Noel and Saric and got a pick back from Orlando in Saric deal.
Where Hinkie did take rightful stick IMO is with his tank policy and using it to justify drafting injured players. Noel would have gone higher if fit and so to would Embiid I believe and there was no way they could pass on Embiid at 3rd in 2014 I thought. The anger was in the 2014 draft Hinkie had taken two picks in Saric and Embiid who wouldn’t see action that year and fans didn’t buy into the long term plan and didn’t want a 10-12 win team to support.
Trading MCW didn’t help either again though he hasn’t set the Bucks on fire and Hinkie got a good potential pick back for him.
We have yet to see Saric, Embiid in the NBA and still don’t know what pick via Lakers and Phoenix will yield the 76ers.
Also I feel it is unfair that Okafor has always been seen as being on the trade block foer no fault of his own. He may not have the potential of Simmons or a fit Embiid but he could be a solid 20/10 player for many years if used correctly.
How Philly fit everyone in I will wait and see, I just want to see Embiid fit and playing more than anything else and look forward to seeing Saric and Simmons in the NBA too.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 4:29am #1077348
dazeoneParticipantThey are doing it on the Low and nobody is saying anything….Kobe Bryant alone on the team could have got them 10 wins…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 4:29am #1077456
dazeoneParticipantThey are doing it on the Low and nobody is saying anything….Kobe Bryant alone on the team could have got them 10 wins…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 5:38am #1077362
circumlocution75ParticipantThe Lakers Tanked the last 2 years to get D’Angelo Russell & Brandon Ingram
How did JR Smith & Iman Shumpert get oin the Cavs???? B/c Phil Jackson Stripped the Knicks like an Abandoned car to Tank & he lucked out & Porzingus fell to them at #4 in 2014…….
The Warriors Tanked for 4 years by allowing the Top players from their 50 win team in 2008 to just Walk Away…….. Still Tanking 4 years later they traded a 24 y/o Monte Ellis to Make sure they landed in the Top 7 of the Draft…….. GSW won 23 games just 4 years ago
Minnesota just Finished their 10th consectuive Losing season —- TEN Years of Trying to Lose…… & so have the Kings
And the Tank of ALL Tanks the San Antonio Spurs in 1997 —– coming off a 59 win Season w/ MVP David Robinson ——– the Spurs sat Robinson & Tanked their brains out in the hopes they could Luck out & Land Tim Duncan
The Spurs leapfrogged the Sixers, Celtics & Vancouver Grizzlies —— Legitimately Bad teams in a Rebuild who won between 14 & 21 games that year……..
Vancouver LOST their Franchise b/c of what San Antonio did……. & I do Not blame San Antonio……. they played by the NBA RULES……
You want to End Tanking in the NBA —– Worst Team gets the 1st pick Every year………. you will Never see teams Tank for multiple years or even one entire year……….
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 6:10am #1077370
220ParticipantIf the worst team got the first pick every year it was drastically alter teams tanking to get better. It wouldn’t make it go away though because in years when guys like Lebron are available you may find multiple teams with 0 wins. This would be far worse than a handful of teams not bothering to bring in any additional players that improve the team. The current system clearly isn’t perfect, but it’s doing well with a bad situation.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 6:10am #1077478
220ParticipantIf the worst team got the first pick every year it was drastically alter teams tanking to get better. It wouldn’t make it go away though because in years when guys like Lebron are available you may find multiple teams with 0 wins. This would be far worse than a handful of teams not bothering to bring in any additional players that improve the team. The current system clearly isn’t perfect, but it’s doing well with a bad situation.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 9:42pm #1077547
ChoppyParticipantIf anyone has heard this rant before, look away now. THE SPURS DID NOT TANK!!! Robinson had a legitimate injury and sat til at least January. When he came back, he got injured again which is when they decided to shelve him for the season, worried that because he was under done he would get a long term injury that would impact next year. That is asset management, NOT tanking. Circumlocution, I usually like your posts but you are waaaay off base on this one.
I can’t remember how many times I’ve had this exact same rant on here. The sooner everyone realises the spurs did not tank, the better my blood pressure will be.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 9:42pm #1077654
ChoppyParticipantIf anyone has heard this rant before, look away now. THE SPURS DID NOT TANK!!! Robinson had a legitimate injury and sat til at least January. When he came back, he got injured again which is when they decided to shelve him for the season, worried that because he was under done he would get a long term injury that would impact next year. That is asset management, NOT tanking. Circumlocution, I usually like your posts but you are waaaay off base on this one.
I can’t remember how many times I’ve had this exact same rant on here. The sooner everyone realises the spurs did not tank, the better my blood pressure will be.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 5:38am #1077470
circumlocution75ParticipantThe Lakers Tanked the last 2 years to get D’Angelo Russell & Brandon Ingram
How did JR Smith & Iman Shumpert get oin the Cavs???? B/c Phil Jackson Stripped the Knicks like an Abandoned car to Tank & he lucked out & Porzingus fell to them at #4 in 2014…….
The Warriors Tanked for 4 years by allowing the Top players from their 50 win team in 2008 to just Walk Away…….. Still Tanking 4 years later they traded a 24 y/o Monte Ellis to Make sure they landed in the Top 7 of the Draft…….. GSW won 23 games just 4 years ago
Minnesota just Finished their 10th consectuive Losing season —- TEN Years of Trying to Lose…… & so have the Kings
And the Tank of ALL Tanks the San Antonio Spurs in 1997 —– coming off a 59 win Season w/ MVP David Robinson ——– the Spurs sat Robinson & Tanked their brains out in the hopes they could Luck out & Land Tim Duncan
The Spurs leapfrogged the Sixers, Celtics & Vancouver Grizzlies —— Legitimately Bad teams in a Rebuild who won between 14 & 21 games that year……..
Vancouver LOST their Franchise b/c of what San Antonio did……. & I do Not blame San Antonio……. they played by the NBA RULES……
You want to End Tanking in the NBA —– Worst Team gets the 1st pick Every year………. you will Never see teams Tank for multiple years or even one entire year……….
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 6:31am #1077376
ChewyParticipantthe 76ers might not have a top 3 pick.
Carmelo took the Nuggets from 17 wins to 43 wins in his rookie year.
Lebron took the Cabs from 17 wins to 35 wins rookie year.
Even Rose took the Bulls from 33 wins to 41 days.
How many wins will Simmons immediately get for the 76ers?
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 7:17am #1077382
ChicagoCaseyParticipantThe 76ers have too many young players and players that are not ready for the league on the team for Ben Simmons have that impact. I can see Brooklyn and Pheonix being worst than Philly. But, I don’t see teams like New York, Sacromento, Milwaukee, Minnesota, LA Lakers, Orlando, Dallas, Memphis, or the Bulls being worst than the 76ers. I don’t see them winning more than 19 games next season due to lack of nba playing time and their young.
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 7:55am #1077388
binetParticipantHonestly, with what turned out to be Phoenix and the Pelicans last season, I am ready to see a lot of teams become worse.
Philly is going to change a lot this off season. They will probably have 5 players in their starting line up that were not there last season, plus several interesting additions and al.
Among the teams you are mentioning, or not mentionning because they are contenders, lots could have a bad season and leave room to a decent season for the 6ers.
Can Boston survive an Isaiah Thomas injury?
Are the Bulls able to win that many match losing Rose, Noah and Gasol. They maybe were underperforming but that’s the team identity leaving, and again, this weaken roster could have an injury.
Phoenix is interesting because you are de facto labelling them a bad team when their poor results where very tied to Eric Bledsoe’s injury. THIS CAN HAPPEN TO ANY TEAM. And odds are some teams get key players injured.
We’ll see but I am betting on the 25ish wins for Philly. It could have been more with another coach but my impression is that Brett Brown is not good enough for them to perform.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 7:55am #1077496
binetParticipantHonestly, with what turned out to be Phoenix and the Pelicans last season, I am ready to see a lot of teams become worse.
Philly is going to change a lot this off season. They will probably have 5 players in their starting line up that were not there last season, plus several interesting additions and al.
Among the teams you are mentioning, or not mentionning because they are contenders, lots could have a bad season and leave room to a decent season for the 6ers.
Can Boston survive an Isaiah Thomas injury?
Are the Bulls able to win that many match losing Rose, Noah and Gasol. They maybe were underperforming but that’s the team identity leaving, and again, this weaken roster could have an injury.
Phoenix is interesting because you are de facto labelling them a bad team when their poor results where very tied to Eric Bledsoe’s injury. THIS CAN HAPPEN TO ANY TEAM. And odds are some teams get key players injured.
We’ll see but I am betting on the 25ish wins for Philly. It could have been more with another coach but my impression is that Brett Brown is not good enough for them to perform.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 7:17am #1077490
ChicagoCaseyParticipantThe 76ers have too many young players and players that are not ready for the league on the team for Ben Simmons have that impact. I can see Brooklyn and Pheonix being worst than Philly. But, I don’t see teams like New York, Sacromento, Milwaukee, Minnesota, LA Lakers, Orlando, Dallas, Memphis, or the Bulls being worst than the 76ers. I don’t see them winning more than 19 games next season due to lack of nba playing time and their young.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 11:17am #1077538
MattP31ParticipantThe Sixers will end up with a Top 3 pick. Even if their own pick falls out of the Top 3 because they improve, they have the Kings pick swap which is a good bet to be up there. On paper the Nets, Sixers, Kings are all likely Top 3 teams.
Though I admit the Sixers are a move or two away from moving out of there, particularly if they get some backcourt help
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 11:17am #1077430
MattP31ParticipantThe Sixers will end up with a Top 3 pick. Even if their own pick falls out of the Top 3 because they improve, they have the Kings pick swap which is a good bet to be up there. On paper the Nets, Sixers, Kings are all likely Top 3 teams.
Though I admit the Sixers are a move or two away from moving out of there, particularly if they get some backcourt help
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 6:31am #1077484
ChewyParticipantthe 76ers might not have a top 3 pick.
Carmelo took the Nuggets from 17 wins to 43 wins in his rookie year.
Lebron took the Cabs from 17 wins to 35 wins rookie year.
Even Rose took the Bulls from 33 wins to 41 days.
How many wins will Simmons immediately get for the 76ers?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 8:30am #1077392
Anton123ParticipantOkay, I’m sorry, I said "unprecedented massive tank jobs" and now you are asking me to name single team that got a championship without ever tanking? I never said nobody ever tanked to get a championship, of course they did! San Antonio tanked to get Duncan, OKC tanked (although I think they were just terrible).
The point is how freaking hard they are doing this, how openly they are doing it. Do you seriously not understand? They are coming off the third worst season IN NBA HISTORY. You know what unprecedented means? It means they are tanking harder and more openly than anyone’s ever tanked IN HISTORY. They have 47 wins in three years. And they have done it 100% intentionally and openly.
Only the 1972 Sixers and 1992 Maverics have had such horrible three year stretches. It worked out for the Sixers, they won 10 years later with Malone and Erving. So hey, I’m sorry for my harsh words, I called it unprecedented to build a championship team this way, but actually this has happened ONCE in the last 44 years.
0- Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2016 - 7:24am #1077627
negguaryParticipantYou’re not putting everything into context! the Spurs did not have to tank for an extended period of time because they really were already good in the first place, then they drafted a generational talent. OKC did actually suck for three to four years but again it wasn’t as bad because they were able to draft a generational talent in KD. There were no generational talents these last three years when we selected, well EMBID which goes back to the process we took. we could not pass on embed because he was that generational talent, but he hasn’t played which made the record worse. Now we have that opportunity to potentially draft a generational talent who will play in ben simmons ( is he that level talent idk) which means the record will probably not be that bad. In addition, we could potentially have two generational talents.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2016 - 7:24am #1077734
negguaryParticipantYou’re not putting everything into context! the Spurs did not have to tank for an extended period of time because they really were already good in the first place, then they drafted a generational talent. OKC did actually suck for three to four years but again it wasn’t as bad because they were able to draft a generational talent in KD. There were no generational talents these last three years when we selected, well EMBID which goes back to the process we took. we could not pass on embed because he was that generational talent, but he hasn’t played which made the record worse. Now we have that opportunity to potentially draft a generational talent who will play in ben simmons ( is he that level talent idk) which means the record will probably not be that bad. In addition, we could potentially have two generational talents.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2016 - 8:30am #1077500
Anton123ParticipantOkay, I’m sorry, I said "unprecedented massive tank jobs" and now you are asking me to name single team that got a championship without ever tanking? I never said nobody ever tanked to get a championship, of course they did! San Antonio tanked to get Duncan, OKC tanked (although I think they were just terrible).
The point is how freaking hard they are doing this, how openly they are doing it. Do you seriously not understand? They are coming off the third worst season IN NBA HISTORY. You know what unprecedented means? It means they are tanking harder and more openly than anyone’s ever tanked IN HISTORY. They have 47 wins in three years. And they have done it 100% intentionally and openly.
Only the 1972 Sixers and 1992 Maverics have had such horrible three year stretches. It worked out for the Sixers, they won 10 years later with Malone and Erving. So hey, I’m sorry for my harsh words, I called it unprecedented to build a championship team this way, but actually this has happened ONCE in the last 44 years.
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