Whats the third pick worth?

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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 1:35pm #64236

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What is the 3rd pick worth? Recent reports the 76ers can’t trade okafor for a top 5 pick which blows my mind. If this is true what is the third pick worth? I know Ainge has his eyes set on Butler, Love(met his agent today) or Cousins. But how realistic are any of those players besides Love and is Love worth more then Okafor with that contract? I know the celtics are high on Brown and the rumors around here are they will take him with the third pick if they keep the pick. I don’t hate it at all him and Smart coming off the bench could cover 1-3 spots no problem. But Okafor seems so much more valuable then Brown he might be a little bit of a head case but he can score down low which is are biggest weakness.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 1:44pm #1074024

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Philly probably wants the 3rd and in addition to whatever salary they would have to absorb, if they were to trade Okafor to make the money work,they would likely want Marcus Smart and the 3rd and the 31st. I don’t see Boston doing this unless it got them both of Phillys late first picks that Boston could flip.

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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 1:44pm #1073913

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Philly probably wants the 3rd and in addition to whatever salary they would have to absorb, if they were to trade Okafor to make the money work,they would likely want Marcus Smart and the 3rd and the 31st. I don’t see Boston doing this unless it got them both of Phillys late first picks that Boston could flip.

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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 1:45pm #1074026

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Don’t get lost in the sauce. Celtics are actively engaging in trade talks they have been for years. Stevens doesnt want rookies he almost won 50 games this year the rebuild is over. They are trying to acquire an established player. I don’t think the Bulls want to trade Butler to Boston when they can gather equal value with a Western Conference team. If I’m Boston I pull the trigger on the Okafor deal especially if it only costs the 3rd. Id prefer getting Butler by throwing is Bradley or Smart or other assets.
Then if I can’t acquire another established player with next years BK pick and remaining assets I draft international prospects and stash away.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 1:45pm #1073915

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Don’t get lost in the sauce. Celtics are actively engaging in trade talks they have been for years. Stevens doesnt want rookies he almost won 50 games this year the rebuild is over. They are trying to acquire an established player. I don’t think the Bulls want to trade Butler to Boston when they can gather equal value with a Western Conference team. If I’m Boston I pull the trigger on the Okafor deal especially if it only costs the 3rd. Id prefer getting Butler by throwing is Bradley or Smart or other assets.
Then if I can’t acquire another established player with next years BK pick and remaining assets I draft international prospects and stash away.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 1:47pm #1074028

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The number 3 would normally be able to get close to a star on a market average contract. The difficulty in acquiring Butler and Cousins is that they will be greatly underpaid on their current contracts. I could see Kevin Love going to the Celtics, but it would have to be a three team deal, the Cavs do not want rookies. Butler could go to the Celtics as part of a larger package, particularly since the Celts have so many draft picks. The number 3 could get Okafor, the #24, and maybe Jerami Grant.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 1:47pm #1073917

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The number 3 would normally be able to get close to a star on a market average contract. The difficulty in acquiring Butler and Cousins is that they will be greatly underpaid on their current contracts. I could see Kevin Love going to the Celtics, but it would have to be a three team deal, the Cavs do not want rookies. Butler could go to the Celtics as part of a larger package, particularly since the Celts have so many draft picks. The number 3 could get Okafor, the #24, and maybe Jerami Grant.
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 2:46pm #1073925
  
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  I’m not confident the Celtics could get Jahlil Okafor for the third pick let alone adding a first round pick and Jerami Grant. I think the 76ers are looking for more than the 3rd pick for Okafor. Ainge is a great deal maker historically speaking, but I don’t think he’ll talk the 76ers into trading their best big man, one of their best wings, and a first round pick for only the 3rd pick in this draft. If such a thing happened it would mean that the 76ers must believe one of the drafts guards has star written all over him, but I don’t think that’s the case.
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 2:46pm #1074036
  
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  I’m not confident the Celtics could get Jahlil Okafor for the third pick let alone adding a first round pick and Jerami Grant. I think the 76ers are looking for more than the 3rd pick for Okafor. Ainge is a great deal maker historically speaking, but I don’t think he’ll talk the 76ers into trading their best big man, one of their best wings, and a first round pick for only the 3rd pick in this draft. If such a thing happened it would mean that the 76ers must believe one of the drafts guards has star written all over him, but I don’t think that’s the case.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 2:00pm #1074030

Hype Machine
The reason teams dont want Okafor is simple.
His deficencies far outweigh his strengths. He does 1 thing well, which is score on the low block. But that also leaves his 7ft defender in constant rim protection position. Making it harder for every other guy on his team.

Im really amazed that the knowledgable cats on this forum cant see this. Count how many times Cleveland and GSW dump it onto the low block today.
Its easy to get nostalgic about his Kevin McHale like post play.
But this is the pace and space era. Not the Al Jefferson era.

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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 2:00pm #1073919

Hype Machine
The reason teams dont want Okafor is simple.
His deficencies far outweigh his strengths. He does 1 thing well, which is score on the low block. But that also leaves his 7ft defender in constant rim protection position. Making it harder for every other guy on his team.

Im really amazed that the knowledgable cats on this forum cant see this. Count how many times Cleveland and GSW dump it onto the low block today.
Its easy to get nostalgic about his Kevin McHale like post play.
But this is the pace and space era. Not the Al Jefferson era.

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- Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 2:33pm #1073922
  
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  Al Jefferson era? I didn’t realize he was ever good enough to have an era named for him.
  Overall I agree with you. Okafor is an elite low post scorer and he’s average of below average in every other category right now. Fortunately Okafor is young, unfortunately he did a lot of frightening things off the court at the beginning of last year. The question is do teams believe he’s willing to commit and hit the gym to improve in the categories he’s not great in? I think if Okafor remains a Sixer that we will see a different Okafor because he will have better teammates that help him out.
  Personally my biggest concern has been and continues to be Okafor defense. He doesn’t try very hard in defense. It’s not to a James Harden level, but it’s concerning. I saw one game where he locked in defensively in his first matchup against Karl Anthony Towns and he did a good defensive job because he was motivated to show Towns up. Lack of effort is just as concerning as lack of ability. Okafor has enough quickness to be a good defended if he wants to be, but most nights that wasn’t much of a concern for the big guy. Perhaps next year when the 76ers have an actual balanced NBA roster and aren’t the joke of the NBA, Okafor will commit to the defensive end of the ball to help his team win.
  I know the talk is the 76ers intend in moving Okafor and/or Noel, but outside of Brandon Ingram I haven’t seen a single player I’d be willing to dump Okafor for. I wonder how the front office view Okafor at this point though. I imagine it’s largely dependent on how the 76ers feel Joel Embiid’s long term health will be. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Nerlens Noel be traded next week rather Jahlil Okafor.
  
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  - Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 2:53pm #1073927
    Hype Machine
    This is my opinion on the 10 most important jobs a Center must do…from top to bottom.
    Protect the rim on defense
    Space the floor on offense drag the opposition big man from the rim (either by shooting or running PnR’s)
    Rebound
    Defend in switch situations
    Finish when close to the rim (eg putbacks, passes from slashers who draw the double team)
    Shoot Free Throws
    Set quality on and off ball screens,
    Make intelligently timed runs to the rim
    Be an effective passer
    Score from the low block in post-up situations
    Bonus Skill: Act as a physical presence/enforcer
    How many of those skills at the top does Jahlil Okafor do well? I’d say he can rebound, Finish when close to the rim and score in post-up situations. He’s well below average in virtually every other skill you want from the C position.
    
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    - Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 3:10pm #1073931
      
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      He was absolutely lacking defensively and perhaps he never does that well consistently, I can’t say for sure. He’s a solid rebounder who should be better, but he doesn’t always get in position, I think he was out of shape last year. Clearly be can score and finish. He can set quality screens. He’s an average free throw shooting center at just about 69%. He can pass the ball quite well actually I think he hesitated to do it much last year as not even a handful of his teammates could do anything with it. Plus they often struggled getting him the ball in position.
      I live near Philadelphia so I unfortunately get the 76ers as my local games. It’s been a rough few years. Anyway Okafor can do anything you want offensively except he’s not much of a pick and roll player and he rarely does rim runs. To his defense his guards this year were Ish Smith (for half the year), Nik Stauskas, Isaiah Canaan, TJ McDonnell, Kendall Marshall, Hollis Thompson, and Tony Wroten (before he was waived). The 76ers had the worst backcourt of any team in the NBA as none of these players would have been more than backups on a good team and most of them wouldn’t be in the NBA. They didn’t excel at getting Okafor the ball and when they did he had tons of double teams because only Robert Covington and Isaiah Canaan were reliable three point shooters. Okafor actually shows spurts of being a competent defender when he cares which as I said is incredibly concerning to me.
      I don’t think it’s totally fair to say the conventional big man is done because so few of them are still around. If Okafor seems like a guy dedicated to being good in all areas of his game then I couldn’t trade him for the chance to acquire any guard in this draft.
      
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    - Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 3:10pm #1074043
      
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      He was absolutely lacking defensively and perhaps he never does that well consistently, I can’t say for sure. He’s a solid rebounder who should be better, but he doesn’t always get in position, I think he was out of shape last year. Clearly be can score and finish. He can set quality screens. He’s an average free throw shooting center at just about 69%. He can pass the ball quite well actually I think he hesitated to do it much last year as not even a handful of his teammates could do anything with it. Plus they often struggled getting him the ball in position.
      I live near Philadelphia so I unfortunately get the 76ers as my local games. It’s been a rough few years. Anyway Okafor can do anything you want offensively except he’s not much of a pick and roll player and he rarely does rim runs. To his defense his guards this year were Ish Smith (for half the year), Nik Stauskas, Isaiah Canaan, TJ McDonnell, Kendall Marshall, Hollis Thompson, and Tony Wroten (before he was waived). The 76ers had the worst backcourt of any team in the NBA as none of these players would have been more than backups on a good team and most of them wouldn’t be in the NBA. They didn’t excel at getting Okafor the ball and when they did he had tons of double teams because only Robert Covington and Isaiah Canaan were reliable three point shooters. Okafor actually shows spurts of being a competent defender when he cares which as I said is incredibly concerning to me.
      I don’t think it’s totally fair to say the conventional big man is done because so few of them are still around. If Okafor seems like a guy dedicated to being good in all areas of his game then I couldn’t trade him for the chance to acquire any guard in this draft.
      
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    - Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 4:34pm #1073953
      
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      Wow, you have score on the low block as number 10 on your list??? that would be my top 2 or 3 at least. Rim protection being number 1 of course. A lot of people are over dissecting Okafor’s lack of defense. He may not ever be a true defensive force, but he will get better. He is still a kid in my eyes growing into his body.
      For Boston I believe getting Butler is their top choice for using their 3rd pick, but I would much rather have Okafor than Love any day.
      For Philly, if they fall in love with a guard like Murray, Heild or Dunn, then they easily could pull the trigger on the trade for the 3rd IMO.
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      - Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 5:02pm #1073961
        
        Hype Machine
        Well…how often are good teams these days are dumping it down low and letting big guys operate?
        I cant think of any…
        Just teams with bad records doing it
        
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        Posted on: Fri, 06/17/2016 - 7:34am #1074286
        
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        The Spurs did it quite efficiently in the playoffs with aldridge
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        Posted on: Fri, 06/17/2016 - 7:34am #1074174
        
        TheWhiteLion
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        The Spurs did it quite efficiently in the playoffs with aldridge
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        Posted on: Sat, 06/18/2016 - 7:53am #1074490
        
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        The Sixers didnt dump it down low a whole ton either, Jah got most of his points by facing up from 15-17 feet anf taking bigs off the dribble
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        Posted on: Sat, 06/18/2016 - 7:53am #1074379
        
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        The Sixers didnt dump it down low a whole ton either, Jah got most of his points by facing up from 15-17 feet anf taking bigs off the dribble
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      - Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 5:02pm #1074073
        
        Hype Machine
        Well…how often are good teams these days are dumping it down low and letting big guys operate?
        I cant think of any…
        Just teams with bad records doing it
        
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    - Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 4:34pm #1074064
      
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      Wow, you have score on the low block as number 10 on your list??? that would be my top 2 or 3 at least. Rim protection being number 1 of course. A lot of people are over dissecting Okafor’s lack of defense. He may not ever be a true defensive force, but he will get better. He is still a kid in my eyes growing into his body.
      For Boston I believe getting Butler is their top choice for using their 3rd pick, but I would much rather have Okafor than Love any day.
      For Philly, if they fall in love with a guard like Murray, Heild or Dunn, then they easily could pull the trigger on the trade for the 3rd IMO.
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    - Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 6:10pm #1073990
      
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      in NBA Basketball……….. In the final 5 minutes of a tight playoff game………. the game turns into a Half Court Grind………
      And the ability to draw a Double team b/c you can create your own shot is the Single most imnportant skill in ALL of Pro basketball…….
      B/c it is Incredibly rare…….. Okafor does this….. He is Not guardable in Single coverage – as an 18 y/o w/ Roster of D-Leaguers who Shaq could not lead to the playoffs………
      This is becoming Ridiculous………
      
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      - Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 7:09pm #1074029
        
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        He scores from the mid-post anyway. By putting the ball on the floor and beating his man by taking two dribbles then going into his post move. Its hard for guys to stay infront of Okafor. Length is the only thing that consistantly disrupts his flow.
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      - Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 7:09pm #1074140
        
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        He scores from the mid-post anyway. By putting the ball on the floor and beating his man by taking two dribbles then going into his post move. Its hard for guys to stay infront of Okafor. Length is the only thing that consistantly disrupts his flow.
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    - Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 6:10pm #1074102
      
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      in NBA Basketball……….. In the final 5 minutes of a tight playoff game………. the game turns into a Half Court Grind………
      And the ability to draw a Double team b/c you can create your own shot is the Single most imnportant skill in ALL of Pro basketball…….
      B/c it is Incredibly rare…….. Okafor does this….. He is Not guardable in Single coverage – as an 18 y/o w/ Roster of D-Leaguers who Shaq could not lead to the playoffs………
      This is becoming Ridiculous………
      
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  - Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 2:53pm #1074038
    Hype Machine
    This is my opinion on the 10 most important jobs a Center must do…from top to bottom.
    Protect the rim on defense
    Space the floor on offense drag the opposition big man from the rim (either by shooting or running PnR’s)
    Rebound
    Defend in switch situations
    Finish when close to the rim (eg putbacks, passes from slashers who draw the double team)
    Shoot Free Throws
    Set quality on and off ball screens,
    Make intelligently timed runs to the rim
    Be an effective passer
    Score from the low block in post-up situations
    Bonus Skill: Act as a physical presence/enforcer
    How many of those skills at the top does Jahlil Okafor do well? I’d say he can rebound, Finish when close to the rim and score in post-up situations. He’s well below average in virtually every other skill you want from the C position.
    
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 2:33pm #1074034
  
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  Al Jefferson era? I didn’t realize he was ever good enough to have an era named for him.
  Overall I agree with you. Okafor is an elite low post scorer and he’s average of below average in every other category right now. Fortunately Okafor is young, unfortunately he did a lot of frightening things off the court at the beginning of last year. The question is do teams believe he’s willing to commit and hit the gym to improve in the categories he’s not great in? I think if Okafor remains a Sixer that we will see a different Okafor because he will have better teammates that help him out.
  Personally my biggest concern has been and continues to be Okafor defense. He doesn’t try very hard in defense. It’s not to a James Harden level, but it’s concerning. I saw one game where he locked in defensively in his first matchup against Karl Anthony Towns and he did a good defensive job because he was motivated to show Towns up. Lack of effort is just as concerning as lack of ability. Okafor has enough quickness to be a good defended if he wants to be, but most nights that wasn’t much of a concern for the big guy. Perhaps next year when the 76ers have an actual balanced NBA roster and aren’t the joke of the NBA, Okafor will commit to the defensive end of the ball to help his team win.
  I know the talk is the 76ers intend in moving Okafor and/or Noel, but outside of Brandon Ingram I haven’t seen a single player I’d be willing to dump Okafor for. I wonder how the front office view Okafor at this point though. I imagine it’s largely dependent on how the 76ers feel Joel Embiid’s long term health will be. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Nerlens Noel be traded next week rather Jahlil Okafor.
  
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- Posted on: Fri, 06/17/2016 - 3:55am #1074224
  
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  I know where you are going with this. Guards and Wings are just simply more valuable. 2 Years from now I would rather have Brown, Murray, Hield, Dunn.
  I like Oak he fits a need for Celtics(right now) and 76ers fill a need at Guard. Oak would have less touches in Boston if he went.
  
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- Posted on: Fri, 06/17/2016 - 3:55am #1074113
  
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  I know where you are going with this. Guards and Wings are just simply more valuable. 2 Years from now I would rather have Brown, Murray, Hield, Dunn.
  I like Oak he fits a need for Celtics(right now) and 76ers fill a need at Guard. Oak would have less touches in Boston if he went.
  
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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 2:29pm #1073921

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Boston has to be looking around for a big move. That’s what got them Allen and KG and that’s the space they want to end up in. Ainge knows this. I keep hearing the same names – Butler, Okafor, Love, Horford, Cousins – it would not surprise me if Ainge is looking at others that no one is thinking about, players that aren’t considered available. He has quite a war chest, young assets, all star IT, a #3 pick and a firm hold of Brooklyn’s testicles for the time being. Someone may take the bait. He’d be doing due diligence beyond the usual rumor mill.
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- Posted on: Fri, 06/17/2016 - 2:26am #1074208
  
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  One thing is for sure, name any possible player and the C’s name will come up in a trade rumor.
  This is for a reason, Ainge has probably talked to every GM in the league about every player in the league.
  He’s just doing his job. He’s probably even offered the entire team and a couple of his kids (he has a bunch) to GS for Curry.
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- Posted on: Fri, 06/17/2016 - 2:26am #1074097
  
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  One thing is for sure, name any possible player and the C’s name will come up in a trade rumor.
  This is for a reason, Ainge has probably talked to every GM in the league about every player in the league.
  He’s just doing his job. He’s probably even offered the entire team and a couple of his kids (he has a bunch) to GS for Curry.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 2:29pm #1074032

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Boston has to be looking around for a big move. That’s what got them Allen and KG and that’s the space they want to end up in. Ainge knows this. I keep hearing the same names – Butler, Okafor, Love, Horford, Cousins – it would not surprise me if Ainge is looking at others that no one is thinking about, players that aren’t considered available. He has quite a war chest, young assets, all star IT, a #3 pick and a firm hold of Brooklyn’s testicles for the time being. Someone may take the bait. He’d be doing due diligence beyond the usual rumor mill.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 4:20pm #1073944

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wins. And enough with this crap about centers dying (didn’t see it in the comments I read but Chad Ford wrote it in his article), there are no good young bigs in the game outside Davis, Towns, and Embiid if he is healthy. when I say no good ones I don’t mean serviceable starters I mean all-stars who affect their teams W/L.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 4:20pm #1074056

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wins. And enough with this crap about centers dying (didn’t see it in the comments I read but Chad Ford wrote it in his article), there are no good young bigs in the game outside Davis, Towns, and Embiid if he is healthy. when I say no good ones I don’t mean serviceable starters I mean all-stars who affect their teams W/L.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 6:05pm #1073983

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Anyone to name a worse Guard rotation in NBA history thru the 1st half of the year……..
Isiaih Canaan, TJ McConnell, Nik Stauskus & Phil Pressy……..
Nerlens Noel was Hurt in the 2nd game of the year & did Not return till After Christmas……
Okafor’s other teammates were JaKaar Sampson, Hollis Thompson, Christian Wood, Robert Covington & Richaun Holmes………
I challenge Anyone to tell me how Porzingus, Townes or even Michael Jordan in his prime could succeed playing w/ those 9 teammates………. Ish Smith was a MASSIVE upgrade!… that says A Lot….
Bryan Colangelo just got Schooled in how Leverage works in Trade negotiations……. the Sixers will not seriously compete for a few years – even if Everything goes right……… WHY put Okafor & Noel on the Block & Announce to the Entire League that "you will practically Give Away Two Starting 6’11’ NBA Centers like there is a Champioship Window closing & the clock is running out?????????
Colangelo looks like a Clown here…….. Forget the trades…. close up shop….. sign a Decent free agent PG……… Let Embiid & Noel rotate at the 5…….. Let Simmons & Okafor rotate at the 4………. let Saric Simmons roatate at the 3……..
Mix & match & just allow these kids to play & get comfortable w/ each other……… As the Trade dealine looms next season, teams w/ playoff hopes will be Desperate for help in the paint……. B/c the Playoffs are a Half Court Grind & this is where Okafor Excells………..
Phila has lost 199 games over the last 3 seasons!!! …. Okafor has played a Total of 55 games w/ that Putrid roster of Garbage & He is somehow being blamed……… Philly fans I would be VERY scared b/c Bryan Colangelo just demonstrated why the Nets & Every other NBA team has said Thanx but No thanx over the past 3 years that Colangelo has Begged to get back in the League………..

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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 6:05pm #1074094

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Anyone to name a worse Guard rotation in NBA history thru the 1st half of the year……..
Isiaih Canaan, TJ McConnell, Nik Stauskus & Phil Pressy……..
Nerlens Noel was Hurt in the 2nd game of the year & did Not return till After Christmas……
Okafor’s other teammates were JaKaar Sampson, Hollis Thompson, Christian Wood, Robert Covington & Richaun Holmes………
I challenge Anyone to tell me how Porzingus, Townes or even Michael Jordan in his prime could succeed playing w/ those 9 teammates………. Ish Smith was a MASSIVE upgrade!… that says A Lot….
Bryan Colangelo just got Schooled in how Leverage works in Trade negotiations……. the Sixers will not seriously compete for a few years – even if Everything goes right……… WHY put Okafor & Noel on the Block & Announce to the Entire League that "you will practically Give Away Two Starting 6’11’ NBA Centers like there is a Champioship Window closing & the clock is running out?????????
Colangelo looks like a Clown here…….. Forget the trades…. close up shop….. sign a Decent free agent PG……… Let Embiid & Noel rotate at the 5…….. Let Simmons & Okafor rotate at the 4………. let Saric Simmons roatate at the 3……..
Mix & match & just allow these kids to play & get comfortable w/ each other……… As the Trade dealine looms next season, teams w/ playoff hopes will be Desperate for help in the paint……. B/c the Playoffs are a Half Court Grind & this is where Okafor Excells………..
Phila has lost 199 games over the last 3 seasons!!! …. Okafor has played a Total of 55 games w/ that Putrid roster of Garbage & He is somehow being blamed……… Philly fans I would be VERY scared b/c Bryan Colangelo just demonstrated why the Nets & Every other NBA team has said Thanx but No thanx over the past 3 years that Colangelo has Begged to get back in the League………..

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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 6:13pm #1073994

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NBAjunkie, I thought this was a great post.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/16/2016 - 6:13pm #1074106

CU.LIONS
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NBAjunkie, I thought this was a great post.
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Posted on: Fri, 06/17/2016 - 3:55am #1074228

Hitster
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Okafor is talked about being traded a lot as Noel has had injury issues and Embiid hasn’t played at all so their trade value would not be high. I think Okafor is worth much more than this year’s 3rd pick – would Knicks give up Porz for this year’s 3rd pick I doubt it?
Butler is a realistic target for a package around 3rd pick. If Cavs trade K-Love for 3rd pick then it means they have got less of a return than the original top pick they gave up to get him. Plus we have Boston – Chicago – Cleveland all big Eastern teams would they be willing to deal with each other I wonder?
3rd pick would be attractive to the Bulls, K-Love might be of interested to the Bulls too but then it could become a 4 team trade.
If DMC was on the board then Lakers might consider getting involved too.
One name that keeps cropping up is Brook Lopez – would Nets snap up 3rd pick for them given that Billy King gave it away originally or could Boston even tempt Nets with 16th,23rd,31st etc and right to only swap picks in 2018?
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Posted on: Fri, 06/17/2016 - 3:55am #1074116

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Okafor is talked about being traded a lot as Noel has had injury issues and Embiid hasn’t played at all so their trade value would not be high. I think Okafor is worth much more than this year’s 3rd pick – would Knicks give up Porz for this year’s 3rd pick I doubt it?
Butler is a realistic target for a package around 3rd pick. If Cavs trade K-Love for 3rd pick then it means they have got less of a return than the original top pick they gave up to get him. Plus we have Boston – Chicago – Cleveland all big Eastern teams would they be willing to deal with each other I wonder?
3rd pick would be attractive to the Bulls, K-Love might be of interested to the Bulls too but then it could become a 4 team trade.
If DMC was on the board then Lakers might consider getting involved too.
One name that keeps cropping up is Brook Lopez – would Nets snap up 3rd pick for them given that Billy King gave it away originally or could Boston even tempt Nets with 16th,23rd,31st etc and right to only swap picks in 2018?
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- Posted on: Mon, 06/20/2016 - 4:45am #1075067
  
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  The Celtics have a 2017 Nets pick which is presumably going high-lottery, this plus #3 pick plus one or two decent players could do the trick if they manage to have one or two other teams to give the cavs the veteran players they are looking for there.
  The knicks are probably not trading Carmelo, because of no-trade clause and fanbase in NY probably against a long rebuilding process, but this is the kind of deals that could work.
  Free agency will impact a lot of middle-of-the-pack teams, and for example if Mike Conley is indeed leaving Memphis, they could let go Marc Gasol in that kind of trade, maybe even an unrealistic Gasol-Allen package(the Cavs might have to give more than K-Love for this).
  
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- Posted on: Mon, 06/20/2016 - 4:45am #1075174
  
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  The Celtics have a 2017 Nets pick which is presumably going high-lottery, this plus #3 pick plus one or two decent players could do the trick if they manage to have one or two other teams to give the cavs the veteran players they are looking for there.
  The knicks are probably not trading Carmelo, because of no-trade clause and fanbase in NY probably against a long rebuilding process, but this is the kind of deals that could work.
  Free agency will impact a lot of middle-of-the-pack teams, and for example if Mike Conley is indeed leaving Memphis, they could let go Marc Gasol in that kind of trade, maybe even an unrealistic Gasol-Allen package(the Cavs might have to give more than K-Love for this).
  
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