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  • #64135
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    The 76ers wont draft Ben Simmons. He might be the most talented prospect in the draft, but they dont want him. 

    They want Jamal Murray.

    Firstly…I dont get the impression that the 76ers rate Ingram very highly. Hes out of the conversation. 

    They have worked out Murray and stated that he is in the conversation for #1. Coach Cal said today that Murray is the player the Sixers want and he would possibly have been one of the few outside the organisation who has spoken to them directly about their draft.

    Furthermore, they know that if they take Ben Simmons, they have a whole range of headaches that they can live without.

    By picking Simmons…they alienate him and Dario Saric…Bad!

    They are forced to trade Okafor and Noel…which as can be seen on this forum time and time again (thanks scarecrow), is resulting in cents on the dollar. Bad, Bad!

    So you risk losing Simmons in 3 years. losing Saric and his rookie salary deal. And getting a pittance for Okafor and Noel. Plus you still have a horribly incomplete roster! Bad, Bad, Bad!

    So now that’s settled…its important that Philly makes the best of this situation. If they were smart, they would leverage Boston and Lakers before the draft. 

    Boston and Lakers can both offer a starting calibre guard, plus their top 3 pick. Whoever comes to the party before the draft can take Ben Simmons (which we know both teams really want).

    So if anyone can tell me a way in which the 76ers dont house a bunch of unhappy players they risk losing….avoid getting stooged in trades and balance their roster, I’d love to hear them before the inevidible negs come.

    All I’ve seen is a bumch of trade ideas for Noel and Okafor that other teams dont want a part of because they all have salary cap room and free agency is stacked with big men (so why give up assets in exchange when you dont have to).

    So its essentially a double edged sword for Philly. Either take the best player and watch the roster implode. Or trade down before the draft and hope Ben Simmons isnt the next Magic Johnson.

    Dont sweat though Philly fans…for once I’m on your side. Jamal Murray will be an All NBA player one day himself.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1071651
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     Some typical answers I expect:

    Simmons can play SF, so that opens up more minutes – Wrong, this would take away all his strengths (ball handling, passing, ability to create mismatches). 

    Simmons won’t leave after 3 years – If the Sixers brass are convinced he will leave, they will trade him while his value is sky high. They won’t let him do a Greg Monroe. Also, if you haven’t noticed, Klutch Sports has the ability to swing a lot of endorsement money for their guys. The extra that Philly can pay him is almost irrelevent compared to what he would get in the city of his choice. 

    Saric has already said he’s coming over- Find me a quote directly from his mouth and I’ll believe it. Until then, he’s sacrificing 20-40million to sit on the bench (behind Simmons). 

    Coach Cal is biased – True, but I’ve never known him to be a liar. People accuse him of being a snake-oil salesman, but he seemed awfully confident in his interview and who else in the media has spoken to Philly about their draft intentions?

    Philly has plenty of time – Wrong. Colangelo is too proud to be the leagues laughing stock. Hinkie had no shame. Colangelo is militant and believes in the sanctity of the sport. Philly is already infamous for being the worst NBA team in history and he’s under pressure from the NBA to get results now. Another 10-20 win season isn’t an option. The pressure to be competitive is on!

    The trade market is strong – Wrong….the trade market is dead! Players are signing shorter contracts, and free agency is alive. Since the All-Star game a couple of years ago, the trade market has been a wasteland. No-one wants Okafor, despite these claims by Philly fans to overprice his value. But they’re not fooling anyone as seen by the lukewarm response in their trade proposals. What started as Okafor the the #2 pick has sunk closer to Okafor for Kris Dunn (equivalent to pick 6/7). And once Simmons comes and he cant get any playing time, it’s only going to plummet further. 

     

     

     

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  • #1071535
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     Some typical answers I expect:

    Simmons can play SF, so that opens up more minutes – Wrong, this would take away all his strengths (ball handling, passing, ability to create mismatches). 

    Simmons won’t leave after 3 years – If the Sixers brass are convinced he will leave, they will trade him while his value is sky high. They won’t let him do a Greg Monroe. Also, if you haven’t noticed, Klutch Sports has the ability to swing a lot of endorsement money for their guys. The extra that Philly can pay him is almost irrelevent compared to what he would get in the city of his choice. 

    Saric has already said he’s coming over- Find me a quote directly from his mouth and I’ll believe it. Until then, he’s sacrificing 20-40million to sit on the bench (behind Simmons). 

    Coach Cal is biased – True, but I’ve never known him to be a liar. People accuse him of being a snake-oil salesman, but he seemed awfully confident in his interview and who else in the media has spoken to Philly about their draft intentions?

    Philly has plenty of time – Wrong. Colangelo is too proud to be the leagues laughing stock. Hinkie had no shame. Colangelo is militant and believes in the sanctity of the sport. Philly is already infamous for being the worst NBA team in history and he’s under pressure from the NBA to get results now. Another 10-20 win season isn’t an option. The pressure to be competitive is on!

    The trade market is strong – Wrong….the trade market is dead! Players are signing shorter contracts, and free agency is alive. Since the All-Star game a couple of years ago, the trade market has been a wasteland. No-one wants Okafor, despite these claims by Philly fans to overprice his value. But they’re not fooling anyone as seen by the lukewarm response in their trade proposals. What started as Okafor the the #2 pick has sunk closer to Okafor for Kris Dunn (equivalent to pick 6/7). And once Simmons comes and he cant get any playing time, it’s only going to plummet further. 

     

     

     

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    • #1071709
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      markfitz14
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       Lebron plays SF and it doesn’t take away his ball handling, passing etc..

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    • #1071592
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      markfitz14
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       Lebron plays SF and it doesn’t take away his ball handling, passing etc..

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  • #1071653
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     From what I have Coach Cal said that Jamal Murray is the player the Sixers should draft not want. Cal just said that he believes Murray is the best player in the class, I haven’t heard any news on Philly wanting him.

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  • #1071536
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     From what I have Coach Cal said that Jamal Murray is the player the Sixers should draft not want. Cal just said that he believes Murray is the best player in the class, I haven’t heard any news on Philly wanting him.

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    • #1071655
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      His bombshell referring to Murray…after a speech hypping his prospects as the #1 pick. 

      "that’s who they want more than those 2 (Simmons & Ingram), and that’s all I can tell you".

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    • #1071538
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      His bombshell referring to Murray…after a speech hypping his prospects as the #1 pick. 

      "that’s who they want more than those 2 (Simmons & Ingram), and that’s all I can tell you".

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  • #1071657
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    Ahkasi Clay
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     this is pure Fluff.  

    Simmons is going #1

    maybe not to 76ers (if they trade it)

    but he will be the #1 pick

     

     

     

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  • #1071540
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    Ahkasi Clay
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     this is pure Fluff.  

    Simmons is going #1

    maybe not to 76ers (if they trade it)

    but he will be the #1 pick

     

     

     

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    • #1071663
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       Thats what I’m saying man. They’re going to trade it IF they can

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    • #1071546
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       Thats what I’m saying man. They’re going to trade it IF they can

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  • #1071673
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    Ben Simmons is going #1.if they want Jamal Murray all they have to do is trade Boston or Phoenix. Dario Saric may not even come this year and if he does you can use him or Ben Simmons interchangeable depending on the line up at 3 and 4.People are over thinking this and coach Cal is going to sell his guy because it is his guy…can’t wait till the draft because some of these scenarios and back room deals that are supposed to happen won’t come into fruition. I would hold all three centers and see what you have and keep the two best that can play together and ship the other one away ant the end of the year. There are a glut of PGS coming out and pick the best one the 76ers will be bottom 8 next year and if they aren’t the kings will be and get your PG next year and let everyone grow together…. 

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  • #1071557
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    Ben Simmons is going #1.if they want Jamal Murray all they have to do is trade Boston or Phoenix. Dario Saric may not even come this year and if he does you can use him or Ben Simmons interchangeable depending on the line up at 3 and 4.People are over thinking this and coach Cal is going to sell his guy because it is his guy…can’t wait till the draft because some of these scenarios and back room deals that are supposed to happen won’t come into fruition. I would hold all three centers and see what you have and keep the two best that can play together and ship the other one away ant the end of the year. There are a glut of PGS coming out and pick the best one the 76ers will be bottom 8 next year and if they aren’t the kings will be and get your PG next year and let everyone grow together…. 

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    • #1071675
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      Good call, but neither Saric nor Simmons are SF’s…..that’s putting a square peg in a round hole. 

      The Sixers are in a situation where they must make a "pitch" to Saric to take less money and come over. Playing SF isn’t part of it. And it’s a losing strategy anyways. Any 3 of Okafor, Embiid, Noel, Saric and Simmons on the court together? Impossible. 

      Next up is getting the Lakers or Celtics to deal. They have a little bit of leverage now before Free Agency and the Draft, so they should act quick. Either of those teams could land a stud in free agency as they are both attractive destinations. 

      They won’t get much on top of the 2nd or third pick. Eg they might get Clarskon and #2 for Simmons and a future lottery protected first rounder. 

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

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    • #1071559
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      Good call, but neither Saric nor Simmons are SF’s…..that’s putting a square peg in a round hole. 

      The Sixers are in a situation where they must make a "pitch" to Saric to take less money and come over. Playing SF isn’t part of it. And it’s a losing strategy anyways. Any 3 of Okafor, Embiid, Noel, Saric and Simmons on the court together? Impossible. 

      Next up is getting the Lakers or Celtics to deal. They have a little bit of leverage now before Free Agency and the Draft, so they should act quick. Either of those teams could land a stud in free agency as they are both attractive destinations. 

      They won’t get much on top of the 2nd or third pick. Eg they might get Clarskon and #2 for Simmons and a future lottery protected first rounder. 

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

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  • #1071679
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    If they aren’t happy with Simmons then draft Ingram one or dangle Simmons to Lakers to get protection fully removed on pick due.

    Saric has yet to play in NBA so if he won’t fit him try to trade him to a team who has a PF need. Toronto at 9 springs to mind.

    They aren’t in the draft to help boost Coach Cal’s bonus so Philly takes BPA.

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  • #1071563
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    If they aren’t happy with Simmons then draft Ingram one or dangle Simmons to Lakers to get protection fully removed on pick due.

    Saric has yet to play in NBA so if he won’t fit him try to trade him to a team who has a PF need. Toronto at 9 springs to mind.

    They aren’t in the draft to help boost Coach Cal’s bonus so Philly takes BPA.

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    • #1071689
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      The Brandon Ingram hype seems to be dying. I think his stock has fallen and he’s possibly behind Bender, Dunn and Murray right now. 

      I think Philly is thinking hard about Murray and Simmons as the 2 best prospects in the draft.

      And if it is neck-and-neck, they might go with Murray because he doesn’t present all the other problems that go with drafting Simmons. 

       

       

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    • #1071573
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      The Brandon Ingram hype seems to be dying. I think his stock has fallen and he’s possibly behind Bender, Dunn and Murray right now. 

      I think Philly is thinking hard about Murray and Simmons as the 2 best prospects in the draft.

      And if it is neck-and-neck, they might go with Murray because he doesn’t present all the other problems that go with drafting Simmons. 

       

       

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  • #1071681
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    nateval
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    Simmons would be a nice fit in Boston if Philly looks to move the pick, What would it take?

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  • #1071564
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    nateval
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    Simmons would be a nice fit in Boston if Philly looks to move the pick, What would it take?

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    • #1071683
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      They’ll have to out-bid the Lakers, and I think the Lakers have the edge because they have Guards that fit better with the Sixers plan.

      So if the Sixers want future picks, Boston can easily oblige. But I’d go with this trade

      Boston gets: Pick 1, Nerlens Noel

      Philly gets: Pick 3, Avery Bradley, Nets Future 1st Rounder

      I think Philly likes Avery Bradley because he offers something different from Jamal Murray, and would provide great defense and Leadership. 

      I honestly don’t think Boston want’s Jahlil Okafor, who would still remain on the trade block after Nerlens is gone.  

      Boston can part ways with Sullinger, who I don’t really trust moving forward. Doesn’t have the heart of a champion in my eyes. 

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    • #1071566
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      They’ll have to out-bid the Lakers, and I think the Lakers have the edge because they have Guards that fit better with the Sixers plan.

      So if the Sixers want future picks, Boston can easily oblige. But I’d go with this trade

      Boston gets: Pick 1, Nerlens Noel

      Philly gets: Pick 3, Avery Bradley, Nets Future 1st Rounder

      I think Philly likes Avery Bradley because he offers something different from Jamal Murray, and would provide great defense and Leadership. 

      I honestly don’t think Boston want’s Jahlil Okafor, who would still remain on the trade block after Nerlens is gone.  

      Boston can part ways with Sullinger, who I don’t really trust moving forward. Doesn’t have the heart of a champion in my eyes. 

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      • #1071711
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         I thought the main point was you want to keep the team in tact. By not trading Noel and Okafor becuase you are drafting Simmons. Now you still would want to trade them??

         

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      • #1071594
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         I thought the main point was you want to keep the team in tact. By not trading Noel and Okafor becuase you are drafting Simmons. Now you still would want to trade them??

         

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  • #1071687
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     I think Murray is a smoke screen.  Calipari will say good things about all his players.  Made Rodney Carney sound like an immediate all-star.  Sixers will need to surround Simmons, who IS the pick, with shooters.  Beyond that they need defense.  Kris Dunn is a much better fit on this team.  He can play both guards spots better than Murray because he can defend either spot and run the point. Crow is on to something with a previous post of his. Sixers don’t need to just draft Simmons they need to build a team around him that fits. (See G.S. with Steph Curry and all the defensive minded players they have.)

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  • #1071570
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     I think Murray is a smoke screen.  Calipari will say good things about all his players.  Made Rodney Carney sound like an immediate all-star.  Sixers will need to surround Simmons, who IS the pick, with shooters.  Beyond that they need defense.  Kris Dunn is a much better fit on this team.  He can play both guards spots better than Murray because he can defend either spot and run the point. Crow is on to something with a previous post of his. Sixers don’t need to just draft Simmons they need to build a team around him that fits. (See G.S. with Steph Curry and all the defensive minded players they have.)

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    • #1071691
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      The crow has thrown so many 76ers hypotheticals at the wall that I’m sure theres some gold if you look hard enough lol. 

      Kris Dunn is solid too. Him & Murray would be ideal as a pairing….but this is a scorers league right now and Murray can get buckets. 

      Also, people who state that this is a weak draft are chumps. There is several future All-Stars at the top to choose from….and anytime a team walks away from a draft with an All-Star it is a major win. 

      Anyone that says this draft stinks is a cynic. 

       

       

       

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    • #1071575
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      The crow has thrown so many 76ers hypotheticals at the wall that I’m sure theres some gold if you look hard enough lol. 

      Kris Dunn is solid too. Him & Murray would be ideal as a pairing….but this is a scorers league right now and Murray can get buckets. 

      Also, people who state that this is a weak draft are chumps. There is several future All-Stars at the top to choose from….and anytime a team walks away from a draft with an All-Star it is a major win. 

      Anyone that says this draft stinks is a cynic. 

       

       

       

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      • #1071648
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         I agree with you there Hype.  Lots of players are close to each other on the big board.  If a GM missed on a player in the lotto this year he should be reprimanded…at least publically humiliated

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      • #1071765
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         I agree with you there Hype.  Lots of players are close to each other on the big board.  If a GM missed on a player in the lotto this year he should be reprimanded…at least publically humiliated

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  • #1071695
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    Honestly, I just had these thoughts yesterday too, but I hadn’t posted them yet. If they want Murray, why not ask the Lakers, Celtics, or Suns for Clarkson, Smart (or Bradley), or Booker (or Knight) plus their pick. 

    You forgot to mention Colangelo’s connection to the Canadian basketball circuit and Murray being Canadian. You also forgot to mention how deadly Murray could be as a shooter with Okafor attracting attention. 

    Heck, I think the Sixers could ask the Celtics for the 17 or 18 Brooklyn pick too and we would give it to them. I think they could ask for our 16 and 23 also and we’d give it to them. 

    In other words, if there is even a chance that they like Murray close to the same amount as Simmons, why not take the guy that you want while getting a massive haul? A core of Murray-Smart-Saric-Grant-Okafor would be good. Then Colangelo would have Noel, Embiid, 18 Brooklyn pick, 16, and 23 to make another trade for a starter. 

    To take it a step farther, if all your core is on rookie contracts, you can throw a max contract at any two of Batum, Derozan, Horford, Anderson, Conley, Clarkson, Barnes, Williams, or Parsons and it wouldn’t hurt you. Those guys would bring some balance to a young lineup and add shooting. 

    The flipside is this: They take Simmons, but then make deals with teams from a place of weakness because other teams will know the Sixers have to clean up their roster. This will lead to them losing several trades just to bring balance to their roster. 

    It’s not crazy. It doesn’t make sense to me, but it’s not crazy. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1071579
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    Honestly, I just had these thoughts yesterday too, but I hadn’t posted them yet. If they want Murray, why not ask the Lakers, Celtics, or Suns for Clarkson, Smart (or Bradley), or Booker (or Knight) plus their pick. 

    You forgot to mention Colangelo’s connection to the Canadian basketball circuit and Murray being Canadian. You also forgot to mention how deadly Murray could be as a shooter with Okafor attracting attention. 

    Heck, I think the Sixers could ask the Celtics for the 17 or 18 Brooklyn pick too and we would give it to them. I think they could ask for our 16 and 23 also and we’d give it to them. 

    In other words, if there is even a chance that they like Murray close to the same amount as Simmons, why not take the guy that you want while getting a massive haul? A core of Murray-Smart-Saric-Grant-Okafor would be good. Then Colangelo would have Noel, Embiid, 18 Brooklyn pick, 16, and 23 to make another trade for a starter. 

    To take it a step farther, if all your core is on rookie contracts, you can throw a max contract at any two of Batum, Derozan, Horford, Anderson, Conley, Clarkson, Barnes, Williams, or Parsons and it wouldn’t hurt you. Those guys would bring some balance to a young lineup and add shooting. 

    The flipside is this: They take Simmons, but then make deals with teams from a place of weakness because other teams will know the Sixers have to clean up their roster. This will lead to them losing several trades just to bring balance to their roster. 

    It’s not crazy. It doesn’t make sense to me, but it’s not crazy. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1071697
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     Simmons can gaurd SF’s which means he can start in a lineup as a SF as long as his teammates compensate for his weaknesses. I didn’t neg you because I also believe Jamaal Murray will average over 20-ppg in this leagues if given the opportunity and in a gaurds league it’s not crazy to think a gaurd can become the best player in this draft, and currently Murray’s game is tailored to the NBA, he will be good. The thing that confuses me is if they are so in love with Murray way not just trade Okafor to grab him considering the log jam at C. Boston will swap Okafor for Murray and likely throw in more assets like some combination of Rozier, Mickey, Hunter, Young and picks. They could likely trade Oak for Murray and round there roster. 

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  • #1071581
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     Simmons can gaurd SF’s which means he can start in a lineup as a SF as long as his teammates compensate for his weaknesses. I didn’t neg you because I also believe Jamaal Murray will average over 20-ppg in this leagues if given the opportunity and in a gaurds league it’s not crazy to think a gaurd can become the best player in this draft, and currently Murray’s game is tailored to the NBA, he will be good. The thing that confuses me is if they are so in love with Murray way not just trade Okafor to grab him considering the log jam at C. Boston will swap Okafor for Murray and likely throw in more assets like some combination of Rozier, Mickey, Hunter, Young and picks. They could likely trade Oak for Murray and round there roster. 

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    • #1071666
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      People in Boston know that CBS wants players who can shoot, pass, and defend. That’s repeated ad nauseum in interviews and from the players. Problem is, Okafor can’t do any of those things. 

      I think the Celtics would rather take Bender, Chriss, or Murray with the 3rd than get Okafor. 

      Think about it, of the teams in the finals, conference finals, or in the playoffs in general, how many had true back to the basket bigs? Valancunas? Kanter? Whiteside? Aldridge? In the modern NBA, it doesn’t work well. 

      Ainge knows this. He also knows what kind of players CBS wants. Okafor does not make them into contenders and is not as good of an asset as people think, because other teams don’t want to build around him either. 

      Go down this year’s draft and think through the teams. Would the lakers rather have Okafor than #2? Would the Celtics? Would the Suns? Would the Wolves? Would the Pelicans? Would the Nuggets? 

      If the Sixers want to trade Okafor to get another pick to draft Murray, would any of those teams rather have Okafor long term than Murray? I think there is a legit case that many teams would rather have Chriss, Bender, Dunn, Hield, Murray, or Brown than Okafor. 

       

       

       

       

       

       

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    • #1071783
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      People in Boston know that CBS wants players who can shoot, pass, and defend. That’s repeated ad nauseum in interviews and from the players. Problem is, Okafor can’t do any of those things. 

      I think the Celtics would rather take Bender, Chriss, or Murray with the 3rd than get Okafor. 

      Think about it, of the teams in the finals, conference finals, or in the playoffs in general, how many had true back to the basket bigs? Valancunas? Kanter? Whiteside? Aldridge? In the modern NBA, it doesn’t work well. 

      Ainge knows this. He also knows what kind of players CBS wants. Okafor does not make them into contenders and is not as good of an asset as people think, because other teams don’t want to build around him either. 

      Go down this year’s draft and think through the teams. Would the lakers rather have Okafor than #2? Would the Celtics? Would the Suns? Would the Wolves? Would the Pelicans? Would the Nuggets? 

      If the Sixers want to trade Okafor to get another pick to draft Murray, would any of those teams rather have Okafor long term than Murray? I think there is a legit case that many teams would rather have Chriss, Bender, Dunn, Hield, Murray, or Brown than Okafor. 

       

       

       

       

       

       

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  • #1071699
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     Unless they like Oak more than Simmons.

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     Unless they like Oak more than Simmons.

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  • #1071618
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    The 76ers didn’t tank this long to get the #1 pick and trade it.  

    That’s simply not happening.  

    Ben Simmons will be a 76er, it’s just a matter of which players will still be around as teammates.  

     

      

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  • #1071735
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    The 76ers didn’t tank this long to get the #1 pick and trade it.  

    That’s simply not happening.  

    Ben Simmons will be a 76er, it’s just a matter of which players will still be around as teammates.  

     

      

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  • #1071650
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    saying that Murray is in the conversation @ 1 then they’re definitely not keeping 1 and trading Ok4/Noel/Etc.for picks 3 or 4 to get Murray because all they’re doing is driving the price up for those picks. So lets assume they’re saying Murray is a candidate for pick 1 and they’re saying that so the fans dont revolt when they trade pick 1 for pick3/4 with the intent of drafting Murray.

    The price for pick 1 is not pick 1 & Noel for pick 3, Bradley and the 2018 Brooklyn pick.

    The deal is more along the lines of pick 1 for pick 3, Bradley (assuming the Sixers want him), 2017 swap rights with Brooklyn, and Brooklyn’s 2018 pick.

    Yes, the price is steep, but Philly didn’t wait 3 years for pick 1 to simply give it away to a division rival.

     

     

      

     

     

     

     

      

     

     

     

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    • #1071672
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      markfitz14
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       Agreed it would take all 3 picks to get Simmons. Never know if any of those picks will be top 3 again so its a gamble. 

      76ers will never do it. I would rather have Simmons and trade my whole team. I would keep Simmons over all else. Simmons is the Star here. The best player the one you work around to make work.

       

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      markfitz14
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       Agreed it would take all 3 picks to get Simmons. Never know if any of those picks will be top 3 again so its a gamble. 

      76ers will never do it. I would rather have Simmons and trade my whole team. I would keep Simmons over all else. Simmons is the Star here. The best player the one you work around to make work.

       

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  • #1071767
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    burgessfour
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    saying that Murray is in the conversation @ 1 then they’re definitely not keeping 1 and trading Ok4/Noel/Etc.for picks 3 or 4 to get Murray because all they’re doing is driving the price up for those picks. So lets assume they’re saying Murray is a candidate for pick 1 and they’re saying that so the fans dont revolt when they trade pick 1 for pick3/4 with the intent of drafting Murray.

    The price for pick 1 is not pick 1 & Noel for pick 3, Bradley and the 2018 Brooklyn pick.

    The deal is more along the lines of pick 1 for pick 3, Bradley (assuming the Sixers want him), 2017 swap rights with Brooklyn, and Brooklyn’s 2018 pick.

    Yes, the price is steep, but Philly didn’t wait 3 years for pick 1 to simply give it away to a division rival.

     

     

      

     

     

     

     

      

     

     

     

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  • #1071670
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    Andv1 Waiting
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    I have the following questions @Hypemachine.

    Do you really think the 76ers would really want to have you had the next Lebron on your hands and did what..Hanging over their heads,they would have to be crazy…This is what they have been tanking for all year long that NO1 pick and the Simmons bowl lol …

    Is Jamal Murray that much better than Nik Stauskas(serious question)?Nik seems like he does the exact same things but is more athletic and is taller/has more length…So I am unsure why they would be so hyped on him…

    However I could see the following Idea working/what do you think of this idea..

    Draft Simmons at Number 1(this keeps the fans happy and has the highest floor and highest ceiling type move)

    Try trade up both lower picks for one higher pick-something like 24+26 for 18th pick from pistons..

    Now this move is dependent on if you got the 18th pick and who goes top 5…You offer New orleans Noel and the 18th for Number 6 pick straight up(the deja vu-as noel was pelicans last 6 pick lol)…This moves Davis to PF and gives them a big that can run the floor with him.For the 76ers they get their guard/pick they want.. 

     Which you would then use to draft either Murray-if they are deadset on him/he is available or Dunn-if you want that traditional pg/t-wolves don’t take him…If both are gone you hold off on this move if both are  already gone.

    This move is going to be an overpay but if it works it is worth it…Harrison barnes to a max..Crazy I know but hear me out and I wouldn’t normally suggest it(as it is what unfortunately would take)..It would give you a vet voice/seems very mature which may rub off on players with Championship pedigree,He can space the floor and it also allows you to play saric at the SF..

     

    You would then try the following lineups:Assuming above moves happen..

    C)Okafor(he has potential but that defense needs some serious work)

    Pf)Barnes or Saric(unsure who has more range)

    Sf)Saric or Barnes

    Sg)Nik or Murray(if the get him)

    Pg)Simmons(as Point forward like greek freak)

    Bench:Embiid(bring him along slowly and see how that foot holds up),Nik or Murray/Dunn if you get one of them,Landry and covington

    Or

    C)Embiid

    Pf) Simmons(playing a draymond greene type role)

    Sf)Barnes

    Sg)Nik stauskas

    Pg)Murray/Dunn

    Bench:

    Okafor(have be a 6th man/getting most of the starting mins until embiid is full healthy),Landry,Saric,Covington and maybe bring back ish smith..

    and a couple of other reasonably priced pieces to at least get you moving in the right direction..

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1071692
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      I CALLED GAME
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       Why would you down grade Simmons and have him play a Draymond Greene role when he can do so much more Murray, Stauskas are really good spot up shooters Murray can score of the dribble which gives Simmons a running mate Stauskas gives them a spot up hit him when he’s left open shooter, Saric gives them hustle man with a jumper, Embiid gives them that big that can stretch the floor and hit from midrange consistently with the ball in Simmons hands putting him around all shooters will help him and once he get his jumper down to where he can drive had to the hole and then pull up from midrange he’ll be deadly  and the Sixers would be pretty good. PHILLY CAN’T PASS ON THAT POSSIBILITY BECAUSE THEY DON’T COME OFTEN.

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      • #1071949
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        Andv1 Waiting
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        @I called game 

        I agree that they opportunities don’t come very often for them and SImmons is the safest pick for them.As there are maybe 3-4 players(if you include simmons) in the draft that have that allstar level ceiling if they make it(but have higher risk):

        Simmons: Worst case lamar odom/Greek freak-Gianis A or Best case Lebron/Magic Johnson

        Ingram: Worst case: Tayshaun prince with a slightly better jumper Best Case less athletic K.D/Ice man (George G) 

        Murray: Worst case :J.J reddick  or Best Case Brandon Roy type player…

        Fourth player is dependent on where they end up out of Dunn,Hield,Bender(I know very little about him)and Brown..

        I put two possibilities for Simmons: greek freak/Lebron(in parts)Point forward or if the 76ers took a traditional route and had a starting PG…

        The Draymond role isn’t a down grade though it means this:He still gets the ball in his hands for big spurts of the game/initiate the offense and gets to play PF(the position I see him playing in NBA)…Otherwise he is going to be left without the ball which I don’t know how effective he would be without it..

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      • #1071832
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        Andv1 Waiting
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        @I called game 

        I agree that they opportunities don’t come very often for them and SImmons is the safest pick for them.As there are maybe 3-4 players(if you include simmons) in the draft that have that allstar level ceiling if they make it(but have higher risk):

        Simmons: Worst case lamar odom/Greek freak-Gianis A or Best case Lebron/Magic Johnson

        Ingram: Worst case: Tayshaun prince with a slightly better jumper Best Case less athletic K.D/Ice man (George G) 

        Murray: Worst case :J.J reddick  or Best Case Brandon Roy type player…

        Fourth player is dependent on where they end up out of Dunn,Hield,Bender(I know very little about him)and Brown..

        I put two possibilities for Simmons: greek freak/Lebron(in parts)Point forward or if the 76ers took a traditional route and had a starting PG…

        The Draymond role isn’t a down grade though it means this:He still gets the ball in his hands for big spurts of the game/initiate the offense and gets to play PF(the position I see him playing in NBA)…Otherwise he is going to be left without the ball which I don’t know how effective he would be without it..

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    • #1071809
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      I CALLED GAME
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       Why would you down grade Simmons and have him play a Draymond Greene role when he can do so much more Murray, Stauskas are really good spot up shooters Murray can score of the dribble which gives Simmons a running mate Stauskas gives them a spot up hit him when he’s left open shooter, Saric gives them hustle man with a jumper, Embiid gives them that big that can stretch the floor and hit from midrange consistently with the ball in Simmons hands putting him around all shooters will help him and once he get his jumper down to where he can drive had to the hole and then pull up from midrange he’ll be deadly  and the Sixers would be pretty good. PHILLY CAN’T PASS ON THAT POSSIBILITY BECAUSE THEY DON’T COME OFTEN.

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  • #1071787
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    Andv1 Waiting
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    I have the following questions @Hypemachine.

    Do you really think the 76ers would really want to have you had the next Lebron on your hands and did what..Hanging over their heads,they would have to be crazy…This is what they have been tanking for all year long that NO1 pick and the Simmons bowl lol …

    Is Jamal Murray that much better than Nik Stauskas(serious question)?Nik seems like he does the exact same things but is more athletic and is taller/has more length…So I am unsure why they would be so hyped on him…

    However I could see the following Idea working/what do you think of this idea..

    Draft Simmons at Number 1(this keeps the fans happy and has the highest floor and highest ceiling type move)

    Try trade up both lower picks for one higher pick-something like 24+26 for 18th pick from pistons..

    Now this move is dependent on if you got the 18th pick and who goes top 5…You offer New orleans Noel and the 18th for Number 6 pick straight up(the deja vu-as noel was pelicans last 6 pick lol)…This moves Davis to PF and gives them a big that can run the floor with him.For the 76ers they get their guard/pick they want.. 

     Which you would then use to draft either Murray-if they are deadset on him/he is available or Dunn-if you want that traditional pg/t-wolves don’t take him…If both are gone you hold off on this move if both are  already gone.

    This move is going to be an overpay but if it works it is worth it…Harrison barnes to a max..Crazy I know but hear me out and I wouldn’t normally suggest it(as it is what unfortunately would take)..It would give you a vet voice/seems very mature which may rub off on players with Championship pedigree,He can space the floor and it also allows you to play saric at the SF..

     

    You would then try the following lineups:Assuming above moves happen..

    C)Okafor(he has potential but that defense needs some serious work)

    Pf)Barnes or Saric(unsure who has more range)

    Sf)Saric or Barnes

    Sg)Nik or Murray(if the get him)

    Pg)Simmons(as Point forward like greek freak)

    Bench:Embiid(bring him along slowly and see how that foot holds up),Nik or Murray/Dunn if you get one of them,Landry and covington

    Or

    C)Embiid

    Pf) Simmons(playing a draymond greene type role)

    Sf)Barnes

    Sg)Nik stauskas

    Pg)Murray/Dunn

    Bench:

    Okafor(have be a 6th man/getting most of the starting mins until embiid is full healthy),Landry,Saric,Covington and maybe bring back ish smith..

    and a couple of other reasonably priced pieces to at least get you moving in the right direction..

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1071682
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    I CALLED GAME
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     They wont Simmons bad this is a smokescreen but there’s been reports that they have been to numerous open workouts Simmons manger does for him, he’s going number 1 to PHILLY and thats GAME!

     

    The SIXERS  need at star who can sale tickets Jamal Murray will disappoint that fan base if Simmons isnt coming along with him. They have a problem at center and forward, the best plan they can go with is to draft Simmons regardless then trade on of you bigs Dario Saric, Nerlens Noel, Jahlil Okafor. BOSTON probably would want  Okafor for the number 3, if I was Bryan Colangelo I would make the trade I get Simmons and Jamal Murray every ones happy.

    PG. Jamal Murray 

    SG. Nick Stauskas

    SF. Ben Simmons 

    PF. Dario Saric 

    C. Joel Embiid 

    6. Nerlens Noel 

    7. Rob Covington

     

    This is a pretty nice young core they can make a few more move to better balance out the roster but they should be okay if the play it smart use what you have to get more of what you need and want. GAME!

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1071698
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      I CALLED GAME
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       The Boston Celtics would love Okafor he has a Bill Russell type game they could dump the ball into him a get a bucket that what they need a guy who can score with ease 

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      • #1071909
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        StephGoneSteph
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         Did you just compare Jahlil Okafor to Bill Russell?  The greatest defensive player of all time Bill Russell? Or the skinny Bill Russell who ran the floor like a wing and wasn’t really a dominant post force?

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      • #1071792
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        StephGoneSteph
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         Did you just compare Jahlil Okafor to Bill Russell?  The greatest defensive player of all time Bill Russell? Or the skinny Bill Russell who ran the floor like a wing and wasn’t really a dominant post force?

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    • #1071815
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      I CALLED GAME
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       The Boston Celtics would love Okafor he has a Bill Russell type game they could dump the ball into him a get a bucket that what they need a guy who can score with ease 

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  • #1071799
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    I CALLED GAME
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     They wont Simmons bad this is a smokescreen but there’s been reports that they have been to numerous open workouts Simmons manger does for him, he’s going number 1 to PHILLY and thats GAME!

     

    The SIXERS  need at star who can sale tickets Jamal Murray will disappoint that fan base if Simmons isnt coming along with him. They have a problem at center and forward, the best plan they can go with is to draft Simmons regardless then trade on of you bigs Dario Saric, Nerlens Noel, Jahlil Okafor. BOSTON probably would want  Okafor for the number 3, if I was Bryan Colangelo I would make the trade I get Simmons and Jamal Murray every ones happy.

    PG. Jamal Murray 

    SG. Nick Stauskas

    SF. Ben Simmons 

    PF. Dario Saric 

    C. Joel Embiid 

    6. Nerlens Noel 

    7. Rob Covington

     

    This is a pretty nice young core they can make a few more move to better balance out the roster but they should be okay if the play it smart use what you have to get more of what you need and want. GAME!

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1071684
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    burgessfour
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     there’s pretty much no way they trade pick 1. I will say it worries me that BC says the Sixers front office  is thinking about winning now. I sure hope that’s just something he says for public consumption and doesn’t mean they’re going to trade away the war chest of assets Hinkie built to try to win 45 games this year. Just draft Simmons and a couple shooters @ 24 & 26 and move forward. See how the bigs shake out before the Feb. 2017 trade deadline. By all means, deal one of Ok4 or Noel before then, but only if you get great value. The future PG is in the 2017 draft. Don’t panic BC.

     

     

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  • #1071801
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    burgessfour
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     there’s pretty much no way they trade pick 1. I will say it worries me that BC says the Sixers front office  is thinking about winning now. I sure hope that’s just something he says for public consumption and doesn’t mean they’re going to trade away the war chest of assets Hinkie built to try to win 45 games this year. Just draft Simmons and a couple shooters @ 24 & 26 and move forward. See how the bigs shake out before the Feb. 2017 trade deadline. By all means, deal one of Ok4 or Noel before then, but only if you get great value. The future PG is in the 2017 draft. Don’t panic BC.

     

     

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  • #1071712
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    Memphis Madness
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     OUTSIDE SHOOTING?

    That’s why God invented GUARDS.

    You know, guys you pick outside the top 3.

    Trade Dario "I don’t know who you are and neither does anybody else but you are really hyped up and will probably turn into a Euro Bust" Saric.

    Trade those late first round picks.

    Get a backcourt you want.

    20 years ago the Sixers traded the number 1 pick (that turned out to be Brad Daugherty) AND Moses Malone ON THE SAME DAY.

    Obviously, they never recovered.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1071829
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     OUTSIDE SHOOTING?

    That’s why God invented GUARDS.

    You know, guys you pick outside the top 3.

    Trade Dario "I don’t know who you are and neither does anybody else but you are really hyped up and will probably turn into a Euro Bust" Saric.

    Trade those late first round picks.

    Get a backcourt you want.

    20 years ago the Sixers traded the number 1 pick (that turned out to be Brad Daugherty) AND Moses Malone ON THE SAME DAY.

    Obviously, they never recovered.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1071714
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    DolanCare
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     The Sixers are trading Okafor or Noel if anything. 

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    DolanCare
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     The Sixers are trading Okafor or Noel if anything. 

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  • #1071722
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    dudo670
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    The Sixers need to package the #1 pick and Okafor or Noel (or both) to try and get a proven all-star (specficially Jimmy Butler or Paul George). I’m still not sure if teams would be will to trade certainty for uncertainty, but assuming Embiid is healthy, if you have him, Butler, and possibly 2 top 10 picks next year to find another star, plus tons of cap and FA, you would be looking at a team that can contend for a decade in the East.

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  • #1071839
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    The Sixers need to package the #1 pick and Okafor or Noel (or both) to try and get a proven all-star (specficially Jimmy Butler or Paul George). I’m still not sure if teams would be will to trade certainty for uncertainty, but assuming Embiid is healthy, if you have him, Butler, and possibly 2 top 10 picks next year to find another star, plus tons of cap and FA, you would be looking at a team that can contend for a decade in the East.

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  • #1071937
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    burgessfour
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     Just to clarify, it was 30 years ago the Sixers traded Moses and the 1st pick. Sadly, I remember being pretty pissed when I heard about it. And yes, the game is about outside shooting. That said, BC needs to keep his wits about him and not make any knee-jerk reaction trades. That will only result in getting short-changed in the deal(s). 

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  • #1071820
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    burgessfour
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     Just to clarify, it was 30 years ago the Sixers traded Moses and the 1st pick. Sadly, I remember being pretty pissed when I heard about it. And yes, the game is about outside shooting. That said, BC needs to keep his wits about him and not make any knee-jerk reaction trades. That will only result in getting short-changed in the deal(s). 

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  • #1071955
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     Don’t sleep on the Celtics really liking Murray too. He broke the Celtics Predraft record for threes 77 out of 100.  For some reason I can’t post the link but take a look at Murray at the 2015 Pan American games on youtube against USA, he was really good. I think Boston would be interested in a trade for 1 but I don’t think they would give up the farm

     

     

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  • #1071838
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    nateval
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     Don’t sleep on the Celtics really liking Murray too. He broke the Celtics Predraft record for threes 77 out of 100.  For some reason I can’t post the link but take a look at Murray at the 2015 Pan American games on youtube against USA, he was really good. I think Boston would be interested in a trade for 1 but I don’t think they would give up the farm

     

     

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  • #1071932
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    circumlocution75
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     & they are praying Dunn falls past #3 so they can Trade w/ the Suns for that #4 pick

    They can that put Simmons & Dunn on the floor together w/ Embiid & Saric

    They still have a Ton of 1st round picks over the next few Drafts

    That’s a Scary young Line Up if it works out for them

    And it would work out Great for phoenix as well b/c there is no one they can Draft at #4 w/ Either Noel or Okafor’s upside & fit in Phoenix

    Noel is a fantastic Athlete & Great on Defense & in Transition & Okafor / Booker would be an Incredible young Inside / Outside tandem who would wreak Havoc in the West for a Decade

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1071940
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      Hype Machine

      Damn every time someone bumps this thread I get another 5 negs lol

      At least it looks like Im not the only one coming up with crack theories.

       

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    • #1072057
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      Hype Machine

      Damn every time someone bumps this thread I get another 5 negs lol

      At least it looks like Im not the only one coming up with crack theories.

       

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  • #1072049
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    circumlocution75
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     & they are praying Dunn falls past #3 so they can Trade w/ the Suns for that #4 pick

    They can that put Simmons & Dunn on the floor together w/ Embiid & Saric

    They still have a Ton of 1st round picks over the next few Drafts

    That’s a Scary young Line Up if it works out for them

    And it would work out Great for phoenix as well b/c there is no one they can Draft at #4 w/ Either Noel or Okafor’s upside & fit in Phoenix

    Noel is a fantastic Athlete & Great on Defense & in Transition & Okafor / Booker would be an Incredible young Inside / Outside tandem who would wreak Havoc in the West for a Decade

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1071946
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    NBAjunkie81
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     I don’t think Phila would Ever Trade that #1 pick……….. but it’s an interesting debate topic……….

    & Coach Cal was Not the only person to refer to Jamal Murray as the #1 pick………. the 76ers new VP of Operations, Mark Eversly (I think that’s how it’s spelled)…………. who was Hand-picked by Bryan Colangelo recently was quoted just a couple days ago as saying:

    "Jamal Murray is definitely one of the prospects who is in the debate for the #1 pick……"………….

    Now I don’t believe for a Second that Phila will pull the Trigger on J.Murray at #1 or a trade…….. I’d bet my House they Draft Simmons #1 & they Should…….

    But it’s a good debate topic & it generated a Ton of Traffic………..

     

     

     

     

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  • #1072062
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    NBAjunkie81
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     I don’t think Phila would Ever Trade that #1 pick……….. but it’s an interesting debate topic……….

    & Coach Cal was Not the only person to refer to Jamal Murray as the #1 pick………. the 76ers new VP of Operations, Mark Eversly (I think that’s how it’s spelled)…………. who was Hand-picked by Bryan Colangelo recently was quoted just a couple days ago as saying:

    "Jamal Murray is definitely one of the prospects who is in the debate for the #1 pick……"………….

    Now I don’t believe for a Second that Phila will pull the Trigger on J.Murray at #1 or a trade…….. I’d bet my House they Draft Simmons #1 & they Should…….

    But it’s a good debate topic & it generated a Ton of Traffic………..

     

     

     

     

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  • #1071956
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    sitlbito
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     Just take Simmons and over and out. By the way,there’s a big BIG chance Saric is coming over this year,don’t sweat about it Sixers fans.

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  • #1072072
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    sitlbito
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     Just take Simmons and over and out. By the way,there’s a big BIG chance Saric is coming over this year,don’t sweat about it Sixers fans.

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