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- Posted on: Sun, 05/29/2016 - 6:46pm #63967
moximusParticipantI was surprised to see him name projected as high as he is, what sort of player do you see him becoming in his prime?
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/29/2016 - 6:49pm #1067845
ChicagoCaseyParticipantRight off the bat you can see that he can be a great defensive player. Given his frame and how raw he is right now, I can see Larry Sanders in him. He didn’t show much offense at Michigan St. We don’t really know how his offensive game is because he wasn’t really ask much.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/29/2016 - 6:49pm #1067724
ChicagoCaseyParticipantRight off the bat you can see that he can be a great defensive player. Given his frame and how raw he is right now, I can see Larry Sanders in him. He didn’t show much offense at Michigan St. We don’t really know how his offensive game is because he wasn’t really ask much.
0- Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 5:25am #1067784

esperanzafleet69Participanti actually like that comparison, if larry sanders was never a headcase and was a hard worker.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 5:25am #1067905

esperanzafleet69Participanti actually like that comparison, if larry sanders was never a headcase and was a hard worker.
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- Posted on: Sun, 05/29/2016 - 7:21pm #1067853

BallerScriptParticipantDeyonta Davis has said to media that he can shoot the three but couldn’t showcase it in his college basketball system
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/29/2016 - 7:21pm #1067732

BallerScriptParticipantDeyonta Davis has said to media that he can shoot the three but couldn’t showcase it in his college basketball system
0- Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 5:01am #1067778

Sewok15ParticipantI remember a couple years ago when Cody Zeller got drafted 4th overall and he was saying the same thing. Well this season he was 1-10 from three so it turns out that was a lie. It just sounds like everybody wants to be a stretch 4 now even if they can only make 10 percent from three.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 5:01am #1067899

Sewok15ParticipantI remember a couple years ago when Cody Zeller got drafted 4th overall and he was saying the same thing. Well this season he was 1-10 from three so it turns out that was a lie. It just sounds like everybody wants to be a stretch 4 now even if they can only make 10 percent from three.
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- Posted on: Sun, 05/29/2016 - 7:58pm #1067857

OhCanada-ParticipantDavis is a perfect canvass of a prospect showing the potential to have very few weaknesses when fully developed as a F/C in the modern NBA with great potential to be effective in important areas of the game defensively that is critical to teams success in the NBA. He understands his role as a guy that gets limited touches and shoots high percentage shots on offense but is really a guy who gets extra possessions for his team by getting offensive rebounds and defensive turnovers/stops, and makes it difficult for the opponent to play an easy game.
This is the exact same role played by all 4 Conference Championship starter C’s in this years Playoffs Thompson, Biyambo, Bogut, and Adams and all of those players have been unsung heroes for their teams all year long. The difference is while Davis shows the same potential defensively, rebounding and off the ball setting screens and playing positional basketball he shows signs that he won’t have the same shortcomings as the players we usually see fill these roles. It really depends on what team selects him because he is raw and does need the developing. If he goes to Sacramento I probably won’t be expecting him to develop into much too soon, but if the Spurs grab him he could be a star/all defensive type player in 3-4 years.
19 years old until December, 6’10.5, 237, 7’2.5 wingspan and a 10% body fat. This provides a lot of flexibility. First of all you want to get the 10% to about 6% and replace that 10 pounds of fat with muscle. Then you can bulk him up and have him play at 260 to play mostly C or keep him light at 240-235 for PF. Should we focus on developing his perimeter game or his post moves. Who is he playing next to and complimenting and how are we developing them.
I think his floor would be a guy like Amir Johnson. Offensively I would try to develop him into an AL Horford type player. Defensively I would try to develop him into a Hassan Whiteside type player. His ceiling is likely Derrick Favors.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/29/2016 - 7:58pm #1067735

OhCanada-ParticipantDavis is a perfect canvass of a prospect showing the potential to have very few weaknesses when fully developed as a F/C in the modern NBA with great potential to be effective in important areas of the game defensively that is critical to teams success in the NBA. He understands his role as a guy that gets limited touches and shoots high percentage shots on offense but is really a guy who gets extra possessions for his team by getting offensive rebounds and defensive turnovers/stops, and makes it difficult for the opponent to play an easy game.
This is the exact same role played by all 4 Conference Championship starter C’s in this years Playoffs Thompson, Biyambo, Bogut, and Adams and all of those players have been unsung heroes for their teams all year long. The difference is while Davis shows the same potential defensively, rebounding and off the ball setting screens and playing positional basketball he shows signs that he won’t have the same shortcomings as the players we usually see fill these roles. It really depends on what team selects him because he is raw and does need the developing. If he goes to Sacramento I probably won’t be expecting him to develop into much too soon, but if the Spurs grab him he could be a star/all defensive type player in 3-4 years.
19 years old until December, 6’10.5, 237, 7’2.5 wingspan and a 10% body fat. This provides a lot of flexibility. First of all you want to get the 10% to about 6% and replace that 10 pounds of fat with muscle. Then you can bulk him up and have him play at 260 to play mostly C or keep him light at 240-235 for PF. Should we focus on developing his perimeter game or his post moves. Who is he playing next to and complimenting and how are we developing them.
I think his floor would be a guy like Amir Johnson. Offensively I would try to develop him into an AL Horford type player. Defensively I would try to develop him into a Hassan Whiteside type player. His ceiling is likely Derrick Favors.
0- Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 11:09am #1067874
mamadouParticipantVery fair assessment.
Worst case scenario he’s amir, a serviceable big, efficient, responsible 7-7-1 with a PT in the low 20’s.
Best case scenario, he’s a 2 way PF-C ala Favors, Favors ain’t in his prime, yet…
Al Horford was a PF, he played his entire career at the 5, at age 29 he’s now becoming a stretch 5, a 15-7 all star, Davis could be a better rebounder, defender, not his shooting range or passing game, but all in all…
He’s like Baldwin at the 1 or ingram at the 3 in that draft, his profile could fit with any team, he ‘ll play off the ball but he can definitly improve his on ball game, he’ll defend his natural position, he ‘ll play the 5, help D, team D.
He has the foot speed and length to bother smaller players.
He can play alongside a post up big, stretch big, scoring/more talented big as the better defender of the 2, off ball workhorse, 4 or 5, 4-5 on O, 4-5 on D, depending on his partner, match ups.
I’m comparing his skill set with Thompson, he’ll be better at almost everything tho…
I saw Adams with Pitt, he was a pylon to me, just a body at that time, now he’s one of the MIP in PO, he’s coming, 23yo in a month.
He was a legit C, older than Davis, a 7-6-2 freshmen, Davis beats him in every aspects of the game, except steals as a frosh.
Bogut 1st, Thompson 4th, Biyombo 7th, Adams 12th, Joakim Noah(senior, winner) 9th….give me Davis at 13th, please.
I’m also believing in his midrange game, i saw anthony davis when he was averaging 1 jumper per game with kentucky, the potential was there more than the results.
He has good hands, touch for an off ball player, he’ll improve his post up game with his grown men’s body, a reliable 15 footer in his arsenal, 70% FT shooter, you’re on the floor at any moment of a game without being a liability, a thing we couldn’t say about all nba bigs this season, or past/present all star bigs.
He’s not nba ready but he’s a better fit with the raps-bucks-magic(Valanciunas, monroe and vucevic) than the chriss-ellenson and co.
If you’re thinking team basketball, winning basketball, MT-LT, obviously.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 11:09am #1067994
mamadouParticipantVery fair assessment.
Worst case scenario he’s amir, a serviceable big, efficient, responsible 7-7-1 with a PT in the low 20’s.
Best case scenario, he’s a 2 way PF-C ala Favors, Favors ain’t in his prime, yet…
Al Horford was a PF, he played his entire career at the 5, at age 29 he’s now becoming a stretch 5, a 15-7 all star, Davis could be a better rebounder, defender, not his shooting range or passing game, but all in all…
He’s like Baldwin at the 1 or ingram at the 3 in that draft, his profile could fit with any team, he ‘ll play off the ball but he can definitly improve his on ball game, he’ll defend his natural position, he ‘ll play the 5, help D, team D.
He has the foot speed and length to bother smaller players.
He can play alongside a post up big, stretch big, scoring/more talented big as the better defender of the 2, off ball workhorse, 4 or 5, 4-5 on O, 4-5 on D, depending on his partner, match ups.
I’m comparing his skill set with Thompson, he’ll be better at almost everything tho…
I saw Adams with Pitt, he was a pylon to me, just a body at that time, now he’s one of the MIP in PO, he’s coming, 23yo in a month.
He was a legit C, older than Davis, a 7-6-2 freshmen, Davis beats him in every aspects of the game, except steals as a frosh.
Bogut 1st, Thompson 4th, Biyombo 7th, Adams 12th, Joakim Noah(senior, winner) 9th….give me Davis at 13th, please.
I’m also believing in his midrange game, i saw anthony davis when he was averaging 1 jumper per game with kentucky, the potential was there more than the results.
He has good hands, touch for an off ball player, he’ll improve his post up game with his grown men’s body, a reliable 15 footer in his arsenal, 70% FT shooter, you’re on the floor at any moment of a game without being a liability, a thing we couldn’t say about all nba bigs this season, or past/present all star bigs.
He’s not nba ready but he’s a better fit with the raps-bucks-magic(Valanciunas, monroe and vucevic) than the chriss-ellenson and co.
If you’re thinking team basketball, winning basketball, MT-LT, obviously.
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- Posted on: Sun, 05/29/2016 - 9:58pm #1067867

MopgrassParticipantI think what position he plays is the most important thing for his value. As a PF he has okay value, but he’d make an extremely valuable center… if he can pull it off. I know we are in a small ball era, but that means he might only play center a small portion of time. If I knew for sure he was a center, I’d have him up way higher. I just don’t think he can protect the rim. And that okay, but if he’s a PF, I don’t see him as s lottery guy.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/29/2016 - 9:58pm #1067745

MopgrassParticipantI think what position he plays is the most important thing for his value. As a PF he has okay value, but he’d make an extremely valuable center… if he can pull it off. I know we are in a small ball era, but that means he might only play center a small portion of time. If I knew for sure he was a center, I’d have him up way higher. I just don’t think he can protect the rim. And that okay, but if he’s a PF, I don’t see him as s lottery guy.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 1:43am #1067879

HitsterParticipantGuy is one of the youngest in the draft so we’d have to consider he has a lot of upside, he is a bulky guy but with that sort of size can add some extra muscle and will be able to hold his own in the paint. His defensive game will improve hugely with experience and he has the ability to be a good rim protector.
His shooting range is something he is looking to work on, he can be fed easy baskets at the moment but with time should be able to develop a mid range game. Whilst his main value will be on defence, a few offensive moves are always useful.
He runs the floor well but can be foul prone and his offensive moves are somewhat predictable but these issues can be looked at in the NBA with the right coaching and mentoring.
We don’t expect a player like this to be a Dirk/Pau Gasol type offensive player but if he develops a few decent offensive moves and knows his role in a team then he can be a good NBA player. I always say no-one expects bigs to be great passers or creative players but there is no reason why he couldn’t be a reasonable ball handler, do the things expected of him and give his team mates the confidence to give him the ball knowing he won’t do anything stupid with it.
As regards the draft I don’t see him as a likely top 10 pick although I’d guess teams like Toronto at 9 would work him out as they are in the market for a possible PF and Biyombo might move in FA. I think guys like Deyonta, Ellenson, Skal, Zimmerman, Jones and Diallo are all very much in the mix for teams looking for a young big in the 11-25 range.
I could see a team like Chicago having a good look at Deyonta at 14 and that would seem a decent fit for him with someone like Taj Gibson to mentor him. Memphis at 17 would be another decent location for him with Marc Gasol and Z-Bo to help him along.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 1:43am #1067758

HitsterParticipantGuy is one of the youngest in the draft so we’d have to consider he has a lot of upside, he is a bulky guy but with that sort of size can add some extra muscle and will be able to hold his own in the paint. His defensive game will improve hugely with experience and he has the ability to be a good rim protector.
His shooting range is something he is looking to work on, he can be fed easy baskets at the moment but with time should be able to develop a mid range game. Whilst his main value will be on defence, a few offensive moves are always useful.
He runs the floor well but can be foul prone and his offensive moves are somewhat predictable but these issues can be looked at in the NBA with the right coaching and mentoring.
We don’t expect a player like this to be a Dirk/Pau Gasol type offensive player but if he develops a few decent offensive moves and knows his role in a team then he can be a good NBA player. I always say no-one expects bigs to be great passers or creative players but there is no reason why he couldn’t be a reasonable ball handler, do the things expected of him and give his team mates the confidence to give him the ball knowing he won’t do anything stupid with it.
As regards the draft I don’t see him as a likely top 10 pick although I’d guess teams like Toronto at 9 would work him out as they are in the market for a possible PF and Biyombo might move in FA. I think guys like Deyonta, Ellenson, Skal, Zimmerman, Jones and Diallo are all very much in the mix for teams looking for a young big in the 11-25 range.
I could see a team like Chicago having a good look at Deyonta at 14 and that would seem a decent fit for him with someone like Taj Gibson to mentor him. Memphis at 17 would be another decent location for him with Marc Gasol and Z-Bo to help him along.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 5:53am #1067790

kobyzParticipantI like his upside and work ethic, worth a top 10 pick, i seeing him become a jermaine o’neal type and level player in the future…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 5:53am #1067911

kobyzParticipantI like his upside and work ethic, worth a top 10 pick, i seeing him become a jermaine o’neal type and level player in the future…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 5:55am #1067792
BiggysmallsParticipantI see everyone saying his calling card is going to be defense. Is Davis actually a great defender though?
He’s big, and he looks the part of a good defensive big…but he’s got a long way to go on that end of the floor. He’s not great defending in space…which is what the "modern-day big" has to do more than ever. He’s prone to getting lost on rotations, which is another huge no-no for back-line defenders.
He blocked shots and he’s got the ideal athleticism where you can project him out to being a good defensive big, but there’s an awful lot of projection and imagination in his case and it makes taking him in the top half of the lottery quite the adventure.
He didn’t show much in college. Is that because he didn’t have to or because he wasnt ready to? Probably a bit of both. But if he’s drafted super high, he’s not going to have the benefit of playing alongside superior talent in comparison to his competition.
I think an ideal role for Davis initially would be a 4th big…get him 12-18 minutes per game off the bench where he can learn and grow in low-leverage situations.
He’s super young and has the physical profile that can be useful in the league, but there’s just so much unknown with him.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 5:55am #1067913
BiggysmallsParticipantI see everyone saying his calling card is going to be defense. Is Davis actually a great defender though?
He’s big, and he looks the part of a good defensive big…but he’s got a long way to go on that end of the floor. He’s not great defending in space…which is what the "modern-day big" has to do more than ever. He’s prone to getting lost on rotations, which is another huge no-no for back-line defenders.
He blocked shots and he’s got the ideal athleticism where you can project him out to being a good defensive big, but there’s an awful lot of projection and imagination in his case and it makes taking him in the top half of the lottery quite the adventure.
He didn’t show much in college. Is that because he didn’t have to or because he wasnt ready to? Probably a bit of both. But if he’s drafted super high, he’s not going to have the benefit of playing alongside superior talent in comparison to his competition.
I think an ideal role for Davis initially would be a 4th big…get him 12-18 minutes per game off the bench where he can learn and grow in low-leverage situations.
He’s super young and has the physical profile that can be useful in the league, but there’s just so much unknown with him.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 7:12am #1067816

Jr. ROXASParticipantDavis will be a stud. Obviously, everyone knows his D will translate the best to the pros. But did you guys see his jump shot? Man, it’s a thing of beauty. He kinda has CHanning Frye’s shooting form, which I really think indicates he will develop into a very good mid-range shooting big in the pros. Watch out for this guy.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 7:12am #1067937

Jr. ROXASParticipantDavis will be a stud. Obviously, everyone knows his D will translate the best to the pros. But did you guys see his jump shot? Man, it’s a thing of beauty. He kinda has CHanning Frye’s shooting form, which I really think indicates he will develop into a very good mid-range shooting big in the pros. Watch out for this guy.
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