Harrison barnes

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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 4:51pm #63916

XavierAllTheWay
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Anybody still thinks he is a max guy? Golden state desperately need another scorer in this series. Other than one game, he has been horrific. I honestly don’t think he improved much from his college years. At best, he is an average player. Btw… What happened to Shaun Livingston…can’t make any short jumpers and turns the ball over way too much. Very uncharacteristic of him
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:05pm #1066340

The Scare Crow Rises
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Between Curry and Klay, there aren’t a ton of plays being called for the rest of the guys, Draymond gets to handle the ball a lot too…Barnes is slotted as a spot up shooter, if he gets 10 shots in a game he’s lucky…
Not much he can do to really show what he can do in a larger role…
I’m a 76er fan, we’re pencilling in Ben Simmons at PF and he’ll need a Spot Up SF, I’d gladly throw a Max Deal at Barnes this summer, why not? He wouldn’t put a dent a our cap space and who knows, maybe he’s got some All Star potential out in the Eastern Conference

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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:05pm #1066220

The Scare Crow Rises
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Between Curry and Klay, there aren’t a ton of plays being called for the rest of the guys, Draymond gets to handle the ball a lot too…Barnes is slotted as a spot up shooter, if he gets 10 shots in a game he’s lucky…
Not much he can do to really show what he can do in a larger role…
I’m a 76er fan, we’re pencilling in Ben Simmons at PF and he’ll need a Spot Up SF, I’d gladly throw a Max Deal at Barnes this summer, why not? He wouldn’t put a dent a our cap space and who knows, maybe he’s got some All Star potential out in the Eastern Conference

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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:06pm #1066345

Arc12345
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I respectfully disagree with you. I think Barnes can be a stud in the right situation…at least potentially as good as Derozan in my opinion.
Would love to see him suit up for my Hawks and be THE guy on the wing. Could also see him going to Portland and really contributing to the rise of that time. They have money to spend.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:06pm #1066224

Arc12345
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I respectfully disagree with you. I think Barnes can be a stud in the right situation…at least potentially as good as Derozan in my opinion.
Would love to see him suit up for my Hawks and be THE guy on the wing. Could also see him going to Portland and really contributing to the rise of that time. They have money to spend.
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:40pm #1066357
  
  tblazer_NZ
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  Portland needs post scoring and interior defense. With Aminu,s( 36% on 3’s) and Harkless’ development this year, I hope they pass on Barnes
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:40pm #1066236
  
  tblazer_NZ
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  Portland needs post scoring and interior defense. With Aminu,s( 36% on 3’s) and Harkless’ development this year, I hope they pass on Barnes
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:07pm #1066347

he_gets_buckets
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I don’t see Harrison being a guy you can have as a number 1 or 2 option and expect to contend. He can’t create for himself off the dribble consistently at all, and this means if he struggles with his shooting stroke on any given night he’s rendered completely useless offensively. I do think he adds a lot of value defensively being able to defend small ball line ups effectively and is a very effective switcher on the perimeter, and can hold position decently in the post. But in the current NBA environment I don’t see him as a max guy, though with the influx of cap space I’m sure that a team who misses out on everyone they wanted will throw money at him just to come away with something in the offseason.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:07pm #1066226

he_gets_buckets
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I don’t see Harrison being a guy you can have as a number 1 or 2 option and expect to contend. He can’t create for himself off the dribble consistently at all, and this means if he struggles with his shooting stroke on any given night he’s rendered completely useless offensively. I do think he adds a lot of value defensively being able to defend small ball line ups effectively and is a very effective switcher on the perimeter, and can hold position decently in the post. But in the current NBA environment I don’t see him as a max guy, though with the influx of cap space I’m sure that a team who misses out on everyone they wanted will throw money at him just to come away with something in the offseason.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:15pm #1066349

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Harrison is terrible, imagine the trouble he would have hitting shots if Curry and Thompson were not on the floor with him.
A team will offer him the max. There is too much money, and they are forced to spend.
Will the Warriors match, that will be big in the offseason. Ezeli too.
He is someone like Jeff Green, and when someone overpays they might be very disappointed.

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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:15pm #1066228

ExumInferno
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Harrison is terrible, imagine the trouble he would have hitting shots if Curry and Thompson were not on the floor with him.
A team will offer him the max. There is too much money, and they are forced to spend.
Will the Warriors match, that will be big in the offseason. Ezeli too.
He is someone like Jeff Green, and when someone overpays they might be very disappointed.

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- Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:55pm #1066246
  
  Dell87
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  Boston is going to offer him a big contract. You heard it hear first.
  Pg . Thomas
  SG. Hunter
  C Okafor
  Sf. Barnes
  Pf. Bender
  
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  - Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 6:34pm #1066260
    
    CU.LIONS
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    So how does Boston end up with both Bender and Okafor?
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    - Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 7:09pm #1066268
      
      Reptilian Monk
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      And Rj Hunter starting over Bradley and Turner lol
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      - Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 8:23pm #1066290
        
        Dell87
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        @Reptilian Monkey. Bradley and Turner are bench players. Boston needs shooters. If we’re able to get Barnes Bender and Okafor then Bradley Crowder and Turner can come off the bench like they shouldve all along. Bradley Turner and Crowder are very very good players. BUT THEY ARE NOT STARS!!!I believe Bender Okafor and Barnes all have allstar potential. Stars win championships. Good players get bumped in the second round. IMO if Barnes got 15-20 shots per game he would average 20. And okafor can be a 20 and 10 guy. I’m tired of isiah being the only true scorer on this team . Hunter will play the Roberson role ( The guy that’s always left open) I would LOVE to get Cousins or Butler but I strongly doubt that’s going to happen . Okafor is the most realistic option and to tell you the truth I wouldn’t be surprised if philly would ask for Smart and Bradley and draft picks.
        
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        Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 4:37am #1066375
        
        Jr. ROXAS
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        What are you talking about Hunter playing the Roberson role?? lol. He won’t be left open because teams know that’s the only thing he can do well.
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        Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 11:11pm #1067043
        
        Dell87
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        Cause the defenses are going to concentrate on stopping Isaiah’s penetration, okafors post up game, Barnes’s shot making and benders overall offensive game. On a great starting five their is always one player that the opposing team will sag off to concerns trate on stopping the other four
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        Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 11:11pm #1067163
        
        Dell87
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        Cause the defenses are going to concentrate on stopping Isaiah’s penetration, okafors post up game, Barnes’s shot making and benders overall offensive game. On a great starting five their is always one player that the opposing team will sag off to concerns trate on stopping the other four
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        Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 4:37am #1066495
        
        Jr. ROXAS
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        What are you talking about Hunter playing the Roberson role?? lol. He won’t be left open because teams know that’s the only thing he can do well.
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        Posted on: Sat, 05/28/2016 - 6:04am #1067103
        
        BeastMode716
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        those #’s on one of the Worst teams in NBA History……… I agree w/ ALL of your points about player personel…….
        But I’ll repeat Reptillian Monkey’s question – how do u think you get Okafor AND Bender??? b/c Phila would Never take Bradley, Smart & the Net’s 2017 pick…… the Only reason they’re even dangling Okafor is b/c they Like THIS year’s Draft picks…… u would have to START w/ the Net’s 2016 #3 pick………
        I don’t even think the #3 pick would be enough….. Okafor is an Absolute Stud in the low post & on the Celtics – a Real team – he would Easily average 20+ & 10……… Okafor would have fouled out Atlanta’s Entire front court in that Playoff series……. in 3 – 5 years Okafor WILL be the NBA’s premium Low Post scorer…….
        Phila Knows this – Sam Binke isn’t there anymore….. – Colangelo actually Talks to other people in the League & understands how to start a bidding War…… The Lakers & Suns would LUV to have Okafor……. the Only reason Phila is even trading Big Jah is b/c Embiid must finally be 100% (or close to it) & he’s got Super Star potential……
        So I think Boston would have to Start at the #3 pick & probably have to give up either Bradley AND Smart or the Brooklyn Net’s 2017 1st round pick…… And IMHO that is Still a Steal for a Talent like Okafor…… I’m still shocked Phila is even Thinking about trading him……….
        
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        Posted on: Sat, 05/28/2016 - 6:04am #1067223
        
        BeastMode716
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        those #’s on one of the Worst teams in NBA History……… I agree w/ ALL of your points about player personel…….
        But I’ll repeat Reptillian Monkey’s question – how do u think you get Okafor AND Bender??? b/c Phila would Never take Bradley, Smart & the Net’s 2017 pick…… the Only reason they’re even dangling Okafor is b/c they Like THIS year’s Draft picks…… u would have to START w/ the Net’s 2016 #3 pick………
        I don’t even think the #3 pick would be enough….. Okafor is an Absolute Stud in the low post & on the Celtics – a Real team – he would Easily average 20+ & 10……… Okafor would have fouled out Atlanta’s Entire front court in that Playoff series……. in 3 – 5 years Okafor WILL be the NBA’s premium Low Post scorer…….
        Phila Knows this – Sam Binke isn’t there anymore….. – Colangelo actually Talks to other people in the League & understands how to start a bidding War…… The Lakers & Suns would LUV to have Okafor……. the Only reason Phila is even trading Big Jah is b/c Embiid must finally be 100% (or close to it) & he’s got Super Star potential……
        So I think Boston would have to Start at the #3 pick & probably have to give up either Bradley AND Smart or the Brooklyn Net’s 2017 1st round pick…… And IMHO that is Still a Steal for a Talent like Okafor…… I’m still shocked Phila is even Thinking about trading him……….
        
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      - Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 8:23pm #1066411
        
        Dell87
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        @Reptilian Monkey. Bradley and Turner are bench players. Boston needs shooters. If we’re able to get Barnes Bender and Okafor then Bradley Crowder and Turner can come off the bench like they shouldve all along. Bradley Turner and Crowder are very very good players. BUT THEY ARE NOT STARS!!!I believe Bender Okafor and Barnes all have allstar potential. Stars win championships. Good players get bumped in the second round. IMO if Barnes got 15-20 shots per game he would average 20. And okafor can be a 20 and 10 guy. I’m tired of isiah being the only true scorer on this team . Hunter will play the Roberson role ( The guy that’s always left open) I would LOVE to get Cousins or Butler but I strongly doubt that’s going to happen . Okafor is the most realistic option and to tell you the truth I wouldn’t be surprised if philly would ask for Smart and Bradley and draft picks.
        
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    - Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 7:09pm #1066389
      
      Reptilian Monk
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      And Rj Hunter starting over Bradley and Turner lol
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    - Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 8:11pm #1066280
      
      Dell87
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      @cu. Lions .
      When boston trades smart, young and next years first round pick for okafor. And draft bender with this years 3rd overall pick.
      
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      - Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 8:38pm #1066296
        
        bigjah8
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        if u think the sixers would actually do this…
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        Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 3:11am #1066339
        
        Bill Walton’s Knees
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        I actually think that would be a pretty decent haul. Smart is already a great defender with, in my opinion, borderline all-star potential. He would be a great fit in Philly. Young gives you decent upside at the wing spot, and could eventually turn into a 3and D guy with time.
        Obviously the most important piece of the deal is the Nets unprotected first in an extremely deep draft. Technically the Celtics have the right to swap picks, so they don’t own it outright. But this is a top 5 pick at worst in an extremely deep draft.
        For arguments sake, let’s say the Nets ended up at 5. According to this mock, that would give them the option of Dennis Smith, Fox, or Lonzo Ball, all of which are, at least right now, considered excellent PG prospects.
        Final trade:
        BOS: Okafor
        PHILA: Smart, Young, Ball/Fox/Smith.
        
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        Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 3:11am #1066459
        
        Bill Walton’s Knees
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        I actually think that would be a pretty decent haul. Smart is already a great defender with, in my opinion, borderline all-star potential. He would be a great fit in Philly. Young gives you decent upside at the wing spot, and could eventually turn into a 3and D guy with time.
        Obviously the most important piece of the deal is the Nets unprotected first in an extremely deep draft. Technically the Celtics have the right to swap picks, so they don’t own it outright. But this is a top 5 pick at worst in an extremely deep draft.
        For arguments sake, let’s say the Nets ended up at 5. According to this mock, that would give them the option of Dennis Smith, Fox, or Lonzo Ball, all of which are, at least right now, considered excellent PG prospects.
        Final trade:
        BOS: Okafor
        PHILA: Smart, Young, Ball/Fox/Smith.
        
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      - Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 8:38pm #1066417
        
        bigjah8
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        if u think the sixers would actually do this…
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    - Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 8:11pm #1066401
      
      Dell87
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      @cu. Lions .
      When boston trades smart, young and next years first round pick for okafor. And draft bender with this years 3rd overall pick.
      
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  - Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 6:34pm #1066380
    
    CU.LIONS
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    So how does Boston end up with both Bender and Okafor?
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:55pm #1066366
  
  Dell87
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  Boston is going to offer him a big contract. You heard it hear first.
  Pg . Thomas
  SG. Hunter
  C Okafor
  Sf. Barnes
  Pf. Bender
  
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 6:22pm #1066252

benny15
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harrison barnes right now brings to the table almost everything marvin williams does for the charlote hornets. deffend in the perimeter and the post, switch on deffense, spot up and make cuts to the basket. he has slightly more upside than williams due to age, but realistically, he’ll be the same type of player and make a good ammount of money doing those things.he’ll score more points or grab more points if its within the game flow of the team.
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 8:21pm #1066288
  
  holefillers1
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  That’s a good comp. I thought Barnes could end up being the next Paul Pierce. Obviously he can’t create for himself or his teammates like Pierce but I like his defense and spot up shooting. I would max him out no problem if I knew for sure he could do more off the bounce than he shows with GS.
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 8:21pm #1066409
  
  holefillers1
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  That’s a good comp. I thought Barnes could end up being the next Paul Pierce. Obviously he can’t create for himself or his teammates like Pierce but I like his defense and spot up shooting. I would max him out no problem if I knew for sure he could do more off the bounce than he shows with GS.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 6:22pm #1066372

benny15
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harrison barnes right now brings to the table almost everything marvin williams does for the charlote hornets. deffend in the perimeter and the post, switch on deffense, spot up and make cuts to the basket. he has slightly more upside than williams due to age, but realistically, he’ll be the same type of player and make a good ammount of money doing those things.he’ll score more points or grab more points if its within the game flow of the team.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 8:05pm #1066278

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I’m sure there will be multiple teams that will be willing to throw a max deal on the table for Barnes this offseason. Do I think he is worth anything near the max? No. Not even close. But this offseason isn’t necessarily going to be about that, and the situation is in Barnes’ favor at exactly the right time. He’ll get a max offer. He’ll take it. And good for him.
I don’t think it will have a negative impact on Philly or Portland to give him the max offer sheet. I don’t like it for Minnesota, who will have to come up with at least 2 max offers in the next few years for Wiggins and Towns (maybe Lavine or pick #5?…), but he would fit perfect on the wing with Wiggins and Lavine off the bench. There will be a number of other teams that could make the offer, but I’m not sure if I would.
Barnes isn’t a #1 option. Seriously, not even close to resembling one. The reality is, for all his potential, he hasn’t really improved as an offensive weapon since college and is not a top tier player. His D is good, but not great (better team defender than one-on-one). His shot is good and he can finish at the rim, but he isn’t that good at creating for himself or others. He compliments really good to great players well, but doesn’t stand out as a really good to great player himself. I guess he could reach a DeRozan level, but that is his highest ceiling imo. I just don’t think he is worth the max.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 8:05pm #1066399

Dr.Red
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I’m sure there will be multiple teams that will be willing to throw a max deal on the table for Barnes this offseason. Do I think he is worth anything near the max? No. Not even close. But this offseason isn’t necessarily going to be about that, and the situation is in Barnes’ favor at exactly the right time. He’ll get a max offer. He’ll take it. And good for him.
I don’t think it will have a negative impact on Philly or Portland to give him the max offer sheet. I don’t like it for Minnesota, who will have to come up with at least 2 max offers in the next few years for Wiggins and Towns (maybe Lavine or pick #5?…), but he would fit perfect on the wing with Wiggins and Lavine off the bench. There will be a number of other teams that could make the offer, but I’m not sure if I would.
Barnes isn’t a #1 option. Seriously, not even close to resembling one. The reality is, for all his potential, he hasn’t really improved as an offensive weapon since college and is not a top tier player. His D is good, but not great (better team defender than one-on-one). His shot is good and he can finish at the rim, but he isn’t that good at creating for himself or others. He compliments really good to great players well, but doesn’t stand out as a really good to great player himself. I guess he could reach a DeRozan level, but that is his highest ceiling imo. I just don’t think he is worth the max.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 8:51pm #1066300

Jordo
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Think maybe he’s been cursed and blessed playing with such a loaded group. He slid to the warriors and never was asked to be #1 or #2 for a team. I don’t know anyone that can develop into a big time scorer, playing in a limited role since day 1. Max? Nope. But with some of those crazy contracts we saw last off season, nothing will surprise me .
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 8:51pm #1066421

Jordo
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Think maybe he’s been cursed and blessed playing with such a loaded group. He slid to the warriors and never was asked to be #1 or #2 for a team. I don’t know anyone that can develop into a big time scorer, playing in a limited role since day 1. Max? Nope. But with some of those crazy contracts we saw last off season, nothing will surprise me .
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 9:14pm #1066302

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I’d Like to see him in New Orleans. Davis is the guy there, and he would could be a 2nd or 3rd option. Plus they have been weak at SF for a while
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- Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 2:08am #1066325
  
  connybuckets
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  If they draft Jamal Murray and sign Barnes that wouldn’t be a bad core
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- Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 2:08am #1066445
  
  connybuckets
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  If they draft Jamal Murray and sign Barnes that wouldn’t be a bad core
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- Posted on: Sun, 05/29/2016 - 9:20pm #1067865
  
  shug94
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  I definitely see him in New Orleans.
  
  The thing is, Luke Walton knows him best (of anyone outside of the Warriors organisation). If the Lakers don’t heavily pursue him, then maybe he is not worth it…
  
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- Posted on: Sun, 05/29/2016 - 9:20pm #1067743
  
  shug94
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  I definitely see him in New Orleans.
  
  The thing is, Luke Walton knows him best (of anyone outside of the Warriors organisation). If the Lakers don’t heavily pursue him, then maybe he is not worth it…
  
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 9:14pm #1066423

Tap892
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I’d Like to see him in New Orleans. Davis is the guy there, and he would could be a 2nd or 3rd option. Plus they have been weak at SF for a while
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Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 1:52am #1067881

Hitster
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GSW’s cap level will be interesing to work out Step Curry MVP is due a mega deal next summer but Bogut and Iggy both expire then and as veterans may not get the same level deal again. Plus GSW can match any deal Barnes signs so if he signs a max deal with another team they match and retain him for less than they would if they had offered him their own deal.
2016/17 cap readings aren’t taken until after that season so any luxury tax payments aren’t due to then so GSW could resign Barnes and have the option to flip him at end of 2016/17 season for assets to reduce cap if needed.

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Posted on: Mon, 05/30/2016 - 1:52am #1067760

Hitster
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GSW’s cap level will be interesing to work out Step Curry MVP is due a mega deal next summer but Bogut and Iggy both expire then and as veterans may not get the same level deal again. Plus GSW can match any deal Barnes signs so if he signs a max deal with another team they match and retain him for less than they would if they had offered him their own deal.
2016/17 cap readings aren’t taken until after that season so any luxury tax payments aren’t due to then so GSW could resign Barnes and have the option to flip him at end of 2016/17 season for assets to reduce cap if needed.

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