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- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 5:56am #63832
The Scare Crow RisesParticipant1. Nerlens Noel and the 24th pick to Phoenix for Brandon Knight and the 13th pick (Korkmaz or Richardson)
2. Nerlens Noel and a 1st round pick via LA in 2017 to Boston for the 3rd pick (Jamal Murray)
3. Nerlens Noel and a 1st round pick via LA in 2017 to Orlando for Mario Hezonja and the 11th pick (Malachi Richardson)
Trade 1 gives us A backcourt with range
Trade 2 gives us the best G prospect in the Draft
Trade 3 gives us Two Wing players with offensive skill (Mario plays SF next to Simmons at PF)
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 6:32am #1064277
DukeDaSquadParticipantThis has been said twice before, once by myself and once by another poster but I’ll say it again. Okafor for #2 straight up is a fair deal. Also, Okafor for 3 and Hunter/Rozier. If Im philly, I want Rozier and give him an opportunity to show what he could do. They could probably get both players and 3.
I think that number 2 on your op would not be a smart move at all. That is too much to give up next year to get Murray. I would not potentially give up a top 3 pick next year to get anyone outside of the top 2 this year.
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 11:49am #1064501
The GoatParticipantyeah i posted okafor straight up for #3 and said philly to take murray. i just listened to brett browns recent truehooptv podcast and im now fairly sure Kris Dunn is their guy if they make a trade.
Brown was really open and seems to be very switched on. Hes a great coach and comes across that he feels supported, which is great on Phillys part. He acknowledged he feels his plans and direction are supported as they extended him 2 years when the team was 1-30.
Reading between the lines, and imagining th Okafor for #3 deal happened, Brown gave a rotation picture of:
Kris Dunn at pg, Simmons, Saric and Embiid as the starting frontcourt, the two late first rounders and free agent/s used on shooters, Covington, Jerami Grant both in the rotation and Noel as a rim protector. He said Minnesota has the leagues best young talent and that they only won 29 games. So, hes realistic, but i think he knows what type of team hes gonna build. To me, i got the picture Okafor doesnt fit, Dunn does and thats a fair move to me, as Boston is missing elite post scoring, exactly what Okafor gives right now at a cost they can afford.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 11:49am #1064376
The GoatParticipantyeah i posted okafor straight up for #3 and said philly to take murray. i just listened to brett browns recent truehooptv podcast and im now fairly sure Kris Dunn is their guy if they make a trade.
Brown was really open and seems to be very switched on. Hes a great coach and comes across that he feels supported, which is great on Phillys part. He acknowledged he feels his plans and direction are supported as they extended him 2 years when the team was 1-30.
Reading between the lines, and imagining th Okafor for #3 deal happened, Brown gave a rotation picture of:
Kris Dunn at pg, Simmons, Saric and Embiid as the starting frontcourt, the two late first rounders and free agent/s used on shooters, Covington, Jerami Grant both in the rotation and Noel as a rim protector. He said Minnesota has the leagues best young talent and that they only won 29 games. So, hes realistic, but i think he knows what type of team hes gonna build. To me, i got the picture Okafor doesnt fit, Dunn does and thats a fair move to me, as Boston is missing elite post scoring, exactly what Okafor gives right now at a cost they can afford.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 4:23pm #1064551
MattP31ParticipantOkafor for #2 is fair. In terms of value. But it’s not a good fit for LA. That Okafor/Randle front court just doesn’t work. With their current roster Ingram is a much better fit for LA.
Now if LA wanted to deal Randle after basically one year, that’s one thing. But if it’s a fair value deal you don’t make it to then be forced to deal another asset- unless you already wanted to deal that asset
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 4:23pm #1064426
MattP31ParticipantOkafor for #2 is fair. In terms of value. But it’s not a good fit for LA. That Okafor/Randle front court just doesn’t work. With their current roster Ingram is a much better fit for LA.
Now if LA wanted to deal Randle after basically one year, that’s one thing. But if it’s a fair value deal you don’t make it to then be forced to deal another asset- unless you already wanted to deal that asset
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 6:32am #1064403
DukeDaSquadParticipantThis has been said twice before, once by myself and once by another poster but I’ll say it again. Okafor for #2 straight up is a fair deal. Also, Okafor for 3 and Hunter/Rozier. If Im philly, I want Rozier and give him an opportunity to show what he could do. They could probably get both players and 3.
I think that number 2 on your op would not be a smart move at all. That is too much to give up next year to get Murray. I would not potentially give up a top 3 pick next year to get anyone outside of the top 2 this year.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 6:47am #1064283
The Scare Crow RisesParticipantBut Okafor is nigh untouchable, he’ll be good for 20 and 10 while forcing double teams
Any deal being discuss has to revolve around Noel, I’ll agree that adding the LA pick in 2017 might be a bit too much(outside the Top 3 per the protection) BUT I didn’t want the Celtic faithful to crucify the Idea without first considering the Option first…
I’m almost willing to part with Noel and the 24th pick for Rozier and Young IF the Celtics include the 16th Pick and a 1st round pick in 17′
I completely disagree that Okafor for #2 straight up is a fair deal, Ingram will be a very good player but not 20 and 10 double team commanding good, not next year, not ever…
Okafor for #3 and Rozier is a Joke right? Boy u Celts fans are crazy!
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 7:44am #1064303
220ParticipantI’ve been wondering if Bryan Colangelo would consider moving Jahlil Okafor if the 76ers are hoping to play a more uptempo game. I’m not sure if Okafor would excel for a high paced team and considering Colangelo’s former jobs in Phoenix and Toronto it seems likely they’ll want to run a lot. While Noel has almost no offensive skills he can get up and down the court. He’s also a superb defensively already. I could see Colangelo trading Okafor for the right price and going uptempo with Noel at Center.
You seem to be the 76ers expert does that seem possible to you?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 7:44am #1064429
220ParticipantI’ve been wondering if Bryan Colangelo would consider moving Jahlil Okafor if the 76ers are hoping to play a more uptempo game. I’m not sure if Okafor would excel for a high paced team and considering Colangelo’s former jobs in Phoenix and Toronto it seems likely they’ll want to run a lot. While Noel has almost no offensive skills he can get up and down the court. He’s also a superb defensively already. I could see Colangelo trading Okafor for the right price and going uptempo with Noel at Center.
You seem to be the 76ers expert does that seem possible to you?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 8:34am #1064315
UnbiasedObserverParticipantNobody is going to give the Sixers good picks and solid young players for Nerlens Noel. He is injury prone and only plays defense zero offensive game.
Some teams only want Okafor nobody else.
Nerlens Noel is not much for trade bait. Let alone giving up a high lottery pick or a talented young guard. Come on man… You Sixers fans are highly overrating Okafor, he is good but he’s not untouchable.
He might be the third best bigman on the Sixers when it all shakes out. He will be behind Simmons and Embiid. You Sixers fans are insane.
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 4:29pm #1064555
MattP31ParticipantI don’t think Noel’s offense is as bad as we’ve seen. He plays on a bad team that’s strength is up front and defenses can focus in the paint because of it. He made some real strides in the 2nd half of last year with Ish Smith before Okafor clogged things up for him a bit.
I’m not saying he’s suddenly going to be an impact guy offensively, but if you put him on a team that runs the floor, has a point guard to get him the ball, and some spacing the floor, I think he could be close to neutral offensively. As compared to looking like a lost cause.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 4:29pm #1064430
MattP31ParticipantI don’t think Noel’s offense is as bad as we’ve seen. He plays on a bad team that’s strength is up front and defenses can focus in the paint because of it. He made some real strides in the 2nd half of last year with Ish Smith before Okafor clogged things up for him a bit.
I’m not saying he’s suddenly going to be an impact guy offensively, but if you put him on a team that runs the floor, has a point guard to get him the ball, and some spacing the floor, I think he could be close to neutral offensively. As compared to looking like a lost cause.
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 8:34am #1064441
UnbiasedObserverParticipantNobody is going to give the Sixers good picks and solid young players for Nerlens Noel. He is injury prone and only plays defense zero offensive game.
Some teams only want Okafor nobody else.
Nerlens Noel is not much for trade bait. Let alone giving up a high lottery pick or a talented young guard. Come on man… You Sixers fans are highly overrating Okafor, he is good but he’s not untouchable.
He might be the third best bigman on the Sixers when it all shakes out. He will be behind Simmons and Embiid. You Sixers fans are insane.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 9:21am #1064459
negguaryParticipantwe’re both sixers fans, but if you don’t think ingram for okafor straight up especially considering the logjam we have you’re crazy!!! ingram will be a problem…..you don’t hold onto okafor if you can walk away with simmons and ingram in the same draft!!! plus you still have Embid and noel and saric!! Think my fellow sixers fan!!
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 9:21am #1064334
negguaryParticipantwe’re both sixers fans, but if you don’t think ingram for okafor straight up especially considering the logjam we have you’re crazy!!! ingram will be a problem…..you don’t hold onto okafor if you can walk away with simmons and ingram in the same draft!!! plus you still have Embid and noel and saric!! Think my fellow sixers fan!!
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 6:47am #1064409
The Scare Crow RisesParticipantBut Okafor is nigh untouchable, he’ll be good for 20 and 10 while forcing double teams
Any deal being discuss has to revolve around Noel, I’ll agree that adding the LA pick in 2017 might be a bit too much(outside the Top 3 per the protection) BUT I didn’t want the Celtic faithful to crucify the Idea without first considering the Option first…
I’m almost willing to part with Noel and the 24th pick for Rozier and Young IF the Celtics include the 16th Pick and a 1st round pick in 17′
I completely disagree that Okafor for #2 straight up is a fair deal, Ingram will be a very good player but not 20 and 10 double team commanding good, not next year, not ever…
Okafor for #3 and Rozier is a Joke right? Boy u Celts fans are crazy!
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 7:41am #1064301
mercyman25ParticipantNoel paired with Len and Chandler off the bench could really be a defensive force. Not sure how well it works out for Knight in Philly, but he could be secondary ball handler to Simmons. He is a pretty deadly scorer in spurts.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 7:41am #1064427
mercyman25ParticipantNoel paired with Len and Chandler off the bench could really be a defensive force. Not sure how well it works out for Knight in Philly, but he could be secondary ball handler to Simmons. He is a pretty deadly scorer in spurts.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 8:45am #1064321
burgessfourParticipantthe way deal 1 is set up, I just wonder about Knight. Three teams in five seasons, that bothers me. I really don’t want to deal with Boston. I still prefer Okafor for Ingram, or Noel and the Lakers pick back for Ingram, though I think the Lakers would need to add something to that deal.
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 9:55am #1064469
MopgrassParticipantI keep hearing people on here say Okafor to the Lakers for the #2 pick. People are forgetting the Lakers passed on Okafor before? Or how everyone said he doesn’t work with Randle. Bad fit. Lakers need a SF as much as they need a C. Let it go.
Noel or Embiid (not happening) would work on a Laker roster, but I see no deal where that works.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 9:55am #1064344
MopgrassParticipantI keep hearing people on here say Okafor to the Lakers for the #2 pick. People are forgetting the Lakers passed on Okafor before? Or how everyone said he doesn’t work with Randle. Bad fit. Lakers need a SF as much as they need a C. Let it go.
Noel or Embiid (not happening) would work on a Laker roster, but I see no deal where that works.
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 10:26am #1064481
220ParticipantYou make a great point. The Lakers passed on Okafor before why would they want him so badly now? I thought if the 76ers got the first pick and the Celtics were second that perhaps Okafor could go for number 2, but that’s not how the ping pong balls worked out. If Colangelo wants to deal Okafor I think he could get a good return, but who can say if that’s what he wants to do at all. I wouldn’t be shocked to see the 76ers make a big deal before or on draft night.
I still pity the 76ers that Hinkie took 3 centers in a row. Every other position in today’s NBA having 3 good guys could be more of an advantage, but three lottery pick centers just doesn’t work. Nearly every team only plays one traditional big guy at a time and the rest is floor spacers, but Sam Hinkie doubled down on centers.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 10:26am #1064356
220ParticipantYou make a great point. The Lakers passed on Okafor before why would they want him so badly now? I thought if the 76ers got the first pick and the Celtics were second that perhaps Okafor could go for number 2, but that’s not how the ping pong balls worked out. If Colangelo wants to deal Okafor I think he could get a good return, but who can say if that’s what he wants to do at all. I wouldn’t be shocked to see the 76ers make a big deal before or on draft night.
I still pity the 76ers that Hinkie took 3 centers in a row. Every other position in today’s NBA having 3 good guys could be more of an advantage, but three lottery pick centers just doesn’t work. Nearly every team only plays one traditional big guy at a time and the rest is floor spacers, but Sam Hinkie doubled down on centers.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 12:01pm #1064509
DukeDaSquadParticipantUp until the draft, the Lakers said how much they loved Okafor. I think that they just liked Russell more but maybe they weren’t expecting Okafor to come in from day one and play how well he did this season. They could have just been trying to trade down to draft Russell but who knows.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 12:01pm #1064384
DukeDaSquadParticipantUp until the draft, the Lakers said how much they loved Okafor. I think that they just liked Russell more but maybe they weren’t expecting Okafor to come in from day one and play how well he did this season. They could have just been trying to trade down to draft Russell but who knows.
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 1:16pm #1064517
220ParticipantThe possibilities are endless for what the Lakers may have wanted to do. All their talk of loving Okafor could have been a smokescreen or it could be real. It’s hard to ever know for sure.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 1:16pm #1064392
220ParticipantThe possibilities are endless for what the Lakers may have wanted to do. All their talk of loving Okafor could have been a smokescreen or it could be real. It’s hard to ever know for sure.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 1:54pm #1064527
SmooveKRYPTParticipantByron Scott was just on radio yesterday and he said the pick came down to D Lo and Porzingis. Okafor wasn’t even in the mix when they got to draft day. It was probably all smokescreen leading up saying they wanted Jahlil
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 1:54pm #1064402
SmooveKRYPTParticipantByron Scott was just on radio yesterday and he said the pick came down to D Lo and Porzingis. Okafor wasn’t even in the mix when they got to draft day. It was probably all smokescreen leading up saying they wanted Jahlil
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 8:45am #1064447
burgessfourParticipantthe way deal 1 is set up, I just wonder about Knight. Three teams in five seasons, that bothers me. I really don’t want to deal with Boston. I still prefer Okafor for Ingram, or Noel and the Lakers pick back for Ingram, though I think the Lakers would need to add something to that deal.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 10:04am #1064471
circumlocution75ParticipantDeepest in years……… there are Reportedly 28 – 5 Star prospects – that # is INSANE in the Membrane……
I would Not give up Noel for this year’s #3 pick straight up…….. there’s No way on Planet Earth I would throw in that Lakers pick which will most likely transfer next year…….
You don’t Give away 7 foot Freakishly explosive 21 y/o Grey Hounds who can guard All 5 positions……..
Phila does Not have a "Bigs Problem"……. Where I grew up having THREE – 7 foot studs All 22 & under……… is called Rich People Problems………
in other words that’s a "problem" Every team in the NBA would like to have……..
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 10:04am #1064346
circumlocution75ParticipantDeepest in years……… there are Reportedly 28 – 5 Star prospects – that # is INSANE in the Membrane……
I would Not give up Noel for this year’s #3 pick straight up…….. there’s No way on Planet Earth I would throw in that Lakers pick which will most likely transfer next year…….
You don’t Give away 7 foot Freakishly explosive 21 y/o Grey Hounds who can guard All 5 positions……..
Phila does Not have a "Bigs Problem"……. Where I grew up having THREE – 7 foot studs All 22 & under……… is called Rich People Problems………
in other words that’s a "problem" Every team in the NBA would like to have……..
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 4:41pm #1064561
MattP31ParticipantSlight correction. The fact there are 28 5 star guys means nothing. Every class has 25 or so. It’s because the recruiting sites say the Top 25 are 5 stars every year. It should be a little different and if player X is this good he is a 5 star, but since the rankings really only compare and rank the guys in any one given year that’s tough.
A quick look back at the rankings show that there are numerous guys that are 5 stars that aren’t real NBA prospects, but rather top college prospects. I’m not talking guys that were busts, I mean guys that you saw as good college player but that’s really it. A guy like a Caleb Swanigan last year
But yes, next year’s draft looks great. Apparently there are 20 guys that scouts see as quality NBA players.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 4:41pm #1064436
MattP31ParticipantSlight correction. The fact there are 28 5 star guys means nothing. Every class has 25 or so. It’s because the recruiting sites say the Top 25 are 5 stars every year. It should be a little different and if player X is this good he is a 5 star, but since the rankings really only compare and rank the guys in any one given year that’s tough.
A quick look back at the rankings show that there are numerous guys that are 5 stars that aren’t real NBA prospects, but rather top college prospects. I’m not talking guys that were busts, I mean guys that you saw as good college player but that’s really it. A guy like a Caleb Swanigan last year
But yes, next year’s draft looks great. Apparently there are 20 guys that scouts see as quality NBA players.
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 10:08am #1064475
burgessfourParticipantI think BC wants a team that runs and that means Okafor goes and Noel stays. I also like the Phoenix angle, maybe Okafor and 24/26/filler for 4,13, Knight, bad contract(s).
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 10:08am #1064350
burgessfourParticipantI think BC wants a team that runs and that means Okafor goes and Noel stays. I also like the Phoenix angle, maybe Okafor and 24/26/filler for 4,13, Knight, bad contract(s).
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 1:40pm #1064521
publius2481ParticipantTrade 1: I think that is a fair trade that benefits both teams. Knight provides outside and a secondary ball handler (I assume Simmons is taken 1). The Suns get a young rim protector who fits their system.
Trade 2: As a Celtics fan, I would pull the trigger on this trade immediately. Noel is a rim protector (which the Celtics really need) who would fit in with their offense. Plus, the chance to have two top ten picks in a loaded draft is very tempting. For the Sixers, I think you want something more (pick 16 or 23) from the Celtics. However, because the Sixers already have picks 24 and 26, I am not sure picking up another late first round pick is desireable. A third team would probably be needed to make this trade work for both sides.
Trade 3: Big overpay by the Sixers here.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 1:40pm #1064396
publius2481ParticipantTrade 1: I think that is a fair trade that benefits both teams. Knight provides outside and a secondary ball handler (I assume Simmons is taken 1). The Suns get a young rim protector who fits their system.
Trade 2: As a Celtics fan, I would pull the trigger on this trade immediately. Noel is a rim protector (which the Celtics really need) who would fit in with their offense. Plus, the chance to have two top ten picks in a loaded draft is very tempting. For the Sixers, I think you want something more (pick 16 or 23) from the Celtics. However, because the Sixers already have picks 24 and 26, I am not sure picking up another late first round pick is desireable. A third team would probably be needed to make this trade work for both sides.
Trade 3: Big overpay by the Sixers here.
0- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 4:33pm #1064557
MattP31ParticipantThis is not a loaded draft. Next year is the loaded draft
0 - Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 4:33pm #1064432
MattP31ParticipantThis is not a loaded draft. Next year is the loaded draft
0- Posted on: Sun, 05/22/2016 - 3:49am #1064524
publius2481ParticipantIf, the Celtics acquired the Lakers pick, they could potentially have two top ten picks in 2017 (Lakers and Nets).
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/22/2016 - 3:49am #1064649
publius2481ParticipantIf, the Celtics acquired the Lakers pick, they could potentially have two top ten picks in 2017 (Lakers and Nets).
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 8:54pm #1064476
circumlocution75ParticipantYou don’t give away 7 footers w/ this kind of talent……….. Especially not 7 footers on Rookie deals……. 2 years from now if Embiid is healthy & playing 30+ min per game……. & Noel’s Rookie contract is about to expire……..
then yea, you start listening to offers……… But Danny Aigne knows a little bit more than ALL of us about building an NBA Champion……
& Aigne has a Raging Hard On for Okafor & / or Noel………. Why do you think that is???
0- Posted on: Sun, 05/22/2016 - 4:54am #1064532
MattP31ParticipantHuge differences. Robinson and Duncan are HOF guys, and they fit well together. The Sixers guys don’t fit well together
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/22/2016 - 4:54am #1064657
MattP31ParticipantHuge differences. Robinson and Duncan are HOF guys, and they fit well together. The Sixers guys don’t fit well together
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/21/2016 - 8:54pm #1064601
circumlocution75ParticipantYou don’t give away 7 footers w/ this kind of talent……….. Especially not 7 footers on Rookie deals……. 2 years from now if Embiid is healthy & playing 30+ min per game……. & Noel’s Rookie contract is about to expire……..
then yea, you start listening to offers……… But Danny Aigne knows a little bit more than ALL of us about building an NBA Champion……
& Aigne has a Raging Hard On for Okafor & / or Noel………. Why do you think that is???
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/22/2016 - 3:18am #1064518
Ahkasi ClayParticipantI am so high on him right now, think it would take a top 4 pick, and a young stud to trade for him.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 05/22/2016 - 3:18am #1064643
Ahkasi ClayParticipantI am so high on him right now, think it would take a top 4 pick, and a young stud to trade for him.
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