Can the Jazz Get to #2?

#1 is really steep. If I were the Lakers though, I would execute that trade very quickly.

I know you stated clearly that you weren’t looking at this from the Jazz perspective.. but the Jazz want to make the playoffs now, and losing both Hayward and Favors (plus a lotto pick) sets them back 2 years.

#1 is really steep. If I were the Lakers though, I would execute that trade very quickly.

I know you stated clearly that you weren’t looking at this from the Jazz perspective.. but the Jazz want to make the playoffs now, and losing both Hayward and Favors (plus a lotto pick) sets them back 2 years.

 Totally agree with High Floor. As a big laker fan, I do your first trade for sure.  No interest in Cousins for me.  I also wouldn’t sell your Jazz short. I think they are still rising. Hang in there and build around the core with that front line. 

 Totally agree with High Floor. As a big laker fan, I do your first trade for sure.  No interest in Cousins for me.  I also wouldn’t sell your Jazz short. I think they are still rising. Hang in there and build around the core with that front line. 

Hayward has a player option in 2016/17 and the Lakers have Randle who plays PF so we’d have an issue of Favors alongside him.

The first players the Lakers would want would be Gobert and Hood given their upside and that they are on rookie deals. The Jazz wouldn’t want to part with either I feel and the Jazz are too far back in the draft to make up the pick differential.

Also I personally don’t see the Lakers passing on one of Ingram or Simmons unless they could get a legit Franchise level player.

Hayward has a player option in 2016/17 and the Lakers have Randle who plays PF so we’d have an issue of Favors alongside him.

The first players the Lakers would want would be Gobert and Hood given their upside and that they are on rookie deals. The Jazz wouldn’t want to part with either I feel and the Jazz are too far back in the draft to make up the pick differential.

Also I personally don’t see the Lakers passing on one of Ingram or Simmons unless they could get a legit Franchise level player.

“I believe the Jazz have a team full of above average players and should be in the playoff hunt for years to come. However, they will never be in contention for a ring until they get a star.”

DING DING DING!!

So now the teams (76ers/Lakers) who WERE in the Jazz position who have since DISMANTLED their teams so that they could have a CHANCE of getting a franchise player are going to take stupid pills after hitting the lottery and give you a boost up there for your “above average players”?

The jazz have a ZERO percent chance of trading up. They could trade their entire franchise and 5 first round picks and still not have enough.

You cant sniff Ben Simmons and you cant sniff Ingram.. your stuck in limbo. Its a terrible place to be in the NBA.

There are also those lunatics out there who think that those teams would consider trading Simmons or Ingram for Paul George. Let me break the news to you guys.. no one is trading Simmons for Paul George. Paul George isn’t enough.

TS I hope you understand what is happening here. The 76ers and Lakers are the big lottery winners. They have a chance now to draft 2 future stars (potential hall of fame level talents) that are in this draft. They both have young teams that they are growing. They are smiling ear to ear. Your team would need to give a kings ransom to get those picks and the sad truth is your entire franchise doesn’t have enough value to pull off a trade.

No one wants Derrick Favors or any of those other guys on that roster. They are just players. Nothing spectacular. Ben Simmons is being compared to Magic/Lebron and Ingram is being compared to Durant. You can’t touch that.

You just have to accept your team is in hell. You need to tank like the 76ers/lakers/Minnasota to get back into contention.

In this league stars are like GOLD and we know when we see a star coming out of college. They are flat out gold. We know Simmons and Ingram are studs.. its just how studly is the question now. These are franchise players. Without a superstar or stars you have no chance to win an NBA title.

No one is going to trade you Simmons or Ingram.. both of those players immediately are some of the most valuable assets in all of the NBA. How many players are more valuable than their contracts??? NOT MANY. Steph Curry, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis… I mean who else would you risk trading a future hall of famer for?

Not Paul George and certainly not Derrick favors and a bunch of Utah starters and draft picks. You don’t touch #1 or #2 with a 10 foot pool.

“I believe the Jazz have a team full of above average players and should be in the playoff hunt for years to come. However, they will never be in contention for a ring until they get a star.”

DING DING DING!!

So now the teams (76ers/Lakers) who WERE in the Jazz position who have since DISMANTLED their teams so that they could have a CHANCE of getting a franchise player are going to take stupid pills after hitting the lottery and give you a boost up there for your “above average players”?

The jazz have a ZERO percent chance of trading up. They could trade their entire franchise and 5 first round picks and still not have enough.

You cant sniff Ben Simmons and you cant sniff Ingram.. your stuck in limbo. Its a terrible place to be in the NBA.

There are also those lunatics out there who think that those teams would consider trading Simmons or Ingram for Paul George. Let me break the news to you guys.. no one is trading Simmons for Paul George. Paul George isn’t enough.

TS I hope you understand what is happening here. The 76ers and Lakers are the big lottery winners. They have a chance now to draft 2 future stars (potential hall of fame level talents) that are in this draft. They both have young teams that they are growing. They are smiling ear to ear. Your team would need to give a kings ransom to get those picks and the sad truth is your entire franchise doesn’t have enough value to pull off a trade.

No one wants Derrick Favors or any of those other guys on that roster. They are just players. Nothing spectacular. Ben Simmons is being compared to Magic/Lebron and Ingram is being compared to Durant. You can’t touch that.

You just have to accept your team is in hell. You need to tank like the 76ers/lakers/Minnasota to get back into contention.

In this league stars are like GOLD and we know when we see a star coming out of college. They are flat out gold. We know Simmons and Ingram are studs.. its just how studly is the question now. These are franchise players. Without a superstar or stars you have no chance to win an NBA title.

No one is going to trade you Simmons or Ingram.. both of those players immediately are some of the most valuable assets in all of the NBA. How many players are more valuable than their contracts??? NOT MANY. Steph Curry, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis… I mean who else would you risk trading a future hall of famer for?

Not Paul George and certainly not Derrick favors and a bunch of Utah starters and draft picks. You don’t touch #1 or #2 with a 10 foot pool.

Im still laughing at Hayward, favors, #12, and Golden states 1st round pick next year (#32) for 2 LMFAO.

You probably cant even trade up to #5 for that trash.

You are a fan I get it.. but what you proposed is laugh out loud hilarious. Your not even close.

Whats hilarious that you don’t realize is that neither team at this point would even trade either pick for ANTHONY DAVIS and draft picks let alone Derrick Favors and Gordon Hayward.

It is physically and completely impossible for you A. Have the assets to make that trade B. Convince the 76ers or lakers to do it

Im still laughing at Hayward, favors, #12, and Golden states 1st round pick next year (#32) for 2 LMFAO.

You probably cant even trade up to #5 for that trash.

You are a fan I get it.. but what you proposed is laugh out loud hilarious. Your not even close.

Whats hilarious that you don’t realize is that neither team at this point would even trade either pick for ANTHONY DAVIS and draft picks let alone Derrick Favors and Gordon Hayward.

It is physically and completely impossible for you A. Have the assets to make that trade B. Convince the 76ers or lakers to do it

 I think Exum is that star that you are looking for. Give this guy a chance. He got hurt before this season even began, and was out for the enitire season. This was the season the Jazz were hoping Exum could really show his stuff and be that star. So now next year would have to be that year  The Jazz have all the pieces, now they just need a closer. They can do that in this draft. And if they do, and make the playoffs, then Hayward will stay. Besides I think both him and Favors like playing in Utah.

 I think Exum is that star that you are looking for. Give this guy a chance. He got hurt before this season even began, and was out for the enitire season. This was the season the Jazz were hoping Exum could really show his stuff and be that star. So now next year would have to be that year  The Jazz have all the pieces, now they just need a closer. They can do that in this draft. And if they do, and make the playoffs, then Hayward will stay. Besides I think both him and Favors like playing in Utah.

Philly fans can have their moment in the sunshine. They been terrible for long enough to bask in the glory now. They gonna get an MVP candidate for real if they take Ben Simmons tho, especially if they can keep him 8 or so years. 

But Jazz fans, dont sweat the top picks this year. They’re gone. Look at the list of MVP’s and All Stars over the last 20 years. There’s a few #1 picks in there, and there’s a few that had little to no hype coming into the draft. 

Guys like Kobe, Steph Curry, Dirk Nowitzki, D-Wade etc….all delivered titles…all weren’t in contention for the #1 pick. Even guys like Steve Nash, KG, Chris Paul…..you don’t need the #1 pick to get an MVP. 

Follow this simple rule: Draft well, trade well, create a culture players want to come & stay, hire good staff and keep improving.

The Jazz is going to be a good team, like the Raptors, Hawks, Pacers of recent years. They’re not contending but you gotta be close to begin with before you’re even a chance. 

Then someone like Exum, Hood or the #12 pick in the 2016 draft performs way beyond expectation and boom, you got a finals calibre team. 

Philly fans can have their moment in the sunshine. They been terrible for long enough to bask in the glory now. They gonna get an MVP candidate for real if they take Ben Simmons tho, especially if they can keep him 8 or so years. 

But Jazz fans, dont sweat the top picks this year. They’re gone. Look at the list of MVP’s and All Stars over the last 20 years. There’s a few #1 picks in there, and there’s a few that had little to no hype coming into the draft. 

Guys like Kobe, Steph Curry, Dirk Nowitzki, D-Wade etc….all delivered titles…all weren’t in contention for the #1 pick. Even guys like Steve Nash, KG, Chris Paul…..you don’t need the #1 pick to get an MVP. 

Follow this simple rule: Draft well, trade well, create a culture players want to come & stay, hire good staff and keep improving.

The Jazz is going to be a good team, like the Raptors, Hawks, Pacers of recent years. They’re not contending but you gotta be close to begin with before you’re even a chance. 

Then someone like Exum, Hood or the #12 pick in the 2016 draft performs way beyond expectation and boom, you got a finals calibre team. 

 be Historically deep….. I agree w/ others that I’m happy for Phila fans they have suffered Badly since the day they traded for Andrew Bynum……… & we’re forgetting that the Sixers could possibly make the playoffs next year & STILL have 2 top 10 Lottery picks…….. they are Loaded for years to come w/ Okafor; Embbid & Simmons…….

But I still LUV what Utah has going on……. Gobert, Exum & Hood are a really sweet group of Talent….. I think trading Gobert & / or Favors for a young Star is a Great idea but no way would I give away your future picks……

I do Not believe Ingram will be the Star everyone thinks he will……. I think he will be a really good #2 or #3 scoring option……. but Ingram is Not a great shooter – he’s a Good shooter for a guy who is 6’9”……. & Ingram lacks the Explosiveness of Kevin Durant……… he is Really going to struggle w/ the Physical Nature of NBA defenders……. Yes he can shoot over them…….. but he’s Not Steph Curry – Ingram is a 35% – 3pt shooter – that’s Outstanding for a 6’9” man but overall it’s good but far from Great…….. & he just does Not have that lightning quick 1st step to create his own shot & that is HUGE……. b/c that means Ingram will be forced to work off Ball Screens & he will be great at that eventually but he’s never going to draw a Double team……………….

So see what you can get for Hayward & Favors & load up for next years Draft & you might be able to grab a Franchise changing Wing to go w/ Gobert, Hood & Exum……. & then you’ll just have to be patient as the team grows…….

 be Historically deep….. I agree w/ others that I’m happy for Phila fans they have suffered Badly since the day they traded for Andrew Bynum……… & we’re forgetting that the Sixers could possibly make the playoffs next year & STILL have 2 top 10 Lottery picks…….. they are Loaded for years to come w/ Okafor; Embbid & Simmons…….

But I still LUV what Utah has going on……. Gobert, Exum & Hood are a really sweet group of Talent….. I think trading Gobert & / or Favors for a young Star is a Great idea but no way would I give away your future picks……

I do Not believe Ingram will be the Star everyone thinks he will……. I think he will be a really good #2 or #3 scoring option……. but Ingram is Not a great shooter – he’s a Good shooter for a guy who is 6’9”……. & Ingram lacks the Explosiveness of Kevin Durant……… he is Really going to struggle w/ the Physical Nature of NBA defenders……. Yes he can shoot over them…….. but he’s Not Steph Curry – Ingram is a 35% – 3pt shooter – that’s Outstanding for a 6’9” man but overall it’s good but far from Great…….. & he just does Not have that lightning quick 1st step to create his own shot & that is HUGE……. b/c that means Ingram will be forced to work off Ball Screens & he will be great at that eventually but he’s never going to draw a Double team……………….

So see what you can get for Hayward & Favors & load up for next years Draft & you might be able to grab a Franchise changing Wing to go w/ Gobert, Hood & Exum……. & then you’ll just have to be patient as the team grows…….

 Although favors/ Hayward would be more than adequate compensation for ingram I would still pass if I’m the Lakers. While both are very good players, neither will be enough to put them over the top anytime soon and both have pretty much maxed out their potential at this point. Plus their contracts will eat into the Lakers cap space and they will have to worry about resigning them in a few years. I’d rather have a young player in ingram who I believe has superstar potential on a rookie deal with the chance to lock him up long-term. Making that trade would reek of desperation to put a decent product on the floor right now while sacrificing the future. BTW, I don’t make that trade if I’m Utah either.

As a Lakers fan, I’ve already said I have no interest in acquiring cousins if it will involve trading Russell or the no. 2 pick, which it almost surely will.

 Although favors/ Hayward would be more than adequate compensation for ingram I would still pass if I’m the Lakers. While both are very good players, neither will be enough to put them over the top anytime soon and both have pretty much maxed out their potential at this point. Plus their contracts will eat into the Lakers cap space and they will have to worry about resigning them in a few years. I’d rather have a young player in ingram who I believe has superstar potential on a rookie deal with the chance to lock him up long-term. Making that trade would reek of desperation to put a decent product on the floor right now while sacrificing the future. BTW, I don’t make that trade if I’m Utah either.

As a Lakers fan, I’ve already said I have no interest in acquiring cousins if it will involve trading Russell or the no. 2 pick, which it almost surely will.

Someone asks the question what are the Jazz supposed to build around in regards to trading Hayward and Favors. I then ask you, if this trade were to happen… what are the Lakers supposed to build around? I never understand the argument of “Well my team is in this state, what are they supposed to do to get better or take the next step”. The answer is usually, if the players aren’t good enough to get your team where you want to go. They most likely aren’t going to be good enough to get a worse team where they want to go either.

It would take a serious offer for me to consider moving Ingram or Simmons and I don’t think that Hayward and Favors do it. That is not to knock them as players as they would instantly become the best and 2nd best players on the Lakers. But they don’t move the needle enough in the right direction to pass on potential franchise players in Ingram and Simmons.
Lakers should just stand pat and be patient. No thanks on Cousins, no thanks on Butler. I’d take George in a heart beat but that isn’t happening so might as well take the 18 year old kid who in a few years could be as good as Paul George is.

I don’t understand the rush from the Lakers perspective. Assume the absolute best case scenario for the Lakers. Some f’n miracle happens, and they somehow land Cousins, Butler and George this off season (how is irrelevant because I am just making a point). Those are the 3 most talked about trade targets for the summer. If they were to land all 3 where does that put them in the West? 5th? 6th? Not a championship contender and probably can’t get past Dubs, Thunder, Spurs or Clips. They may be even with the Clips depending on cast but definitely not getting past the other 3.
That is an unrealistic scenario above and it would only put them in the middle of the Western conference playoff race. At least in my opinion. I am sure you could argue for or against a few spots but you can’t argue that they would coast to the finals or anything.

The point is there aren’t many moves that you can make that will vault you past teams that currently have the best players in the game. Even unrealistic ones.

Be patient. Improve each year for the next 3 or 4 years and all of these guys, Durant, Lebron, Curry, Westbrook will be coming out of their primes and on the downslope of their careers.

I know that’s hard to pitch to an incredibly impatient fan base but it’s realistic and practical. And the most likely outcome either way.
The notion that the Lakers will be back in the Western Conference finals this upcoming year, or the year after is just complete ignorance.

Be patient, draft, grow.

Someone asks the question what are the Jazz supposed to build around in regards to trading Hayward and Favors. I then ask you, if this trade were to happen… what are the Lakers supposed to build around? I never understand the argument of “Well my team is in this state, what are they supposed to do to get better or take the next step”. The answer is usually, if the players aren’t good enough to get your team where you want to go. They most likely aren’t going to be good enough to get a worse team where they want to go either.

It would take a serious offer for me to consider moving Ingram or Simmons and I don’t think that Hayward and Favors do it. That is not to knock them as players as they would instantly become the best and 2nd best players on the Lakers. But they don’t move the needle enough in the right direction to pass on potential franchise players in Ingram and Simmons.
Lakers should just stand pat and be patient. No thanks on Cousins, no thanks on Butler. I’d take George in a heart beat but that isn’t happening so might as well take the 18 year old kid who in a few years could be as good as Paul George is.

I don’t understand the rush from the Lakers perspective. Assume the absolute best case scenario for the Lakers. Some f’n miracle happens, and they somehow land Cousins, Butler and George this off season (how is irrelevant because I am just making a point). Those are the 3 most talked about trade targets for the summer. If they were to land all 3 where does that put them in the West? 5th? 6th? Not a championship contender and probably can’t get past Dubs, Thunder, Spurs or Clips. They may be even with the Clips depending on cast but definitely not getting past the other 3.
That is an unrealistic scenario above and it would only put them in the middle of the Western conference playoff race. At least in my opinion. I am sure you could argue for or against a few spots but you can’t argue that they would coast to the finals or anything.

The point is there aren’t many moves that you can make that will vault you past teams that currently have the best players in the game. Even unrealistic ones.

Be patient. Improve each year for the next 3 or 4 years and all of these guys, Durant, Lebron, Curry, Westbrook will be coming out of their primes and on the downslope of their careers.

I know that’s hard to pitch to an incredibly impatient fan base but it’s realistic and practical. And the most likely outcome either way.
The notion that the Lakers will be back in the Western Conference finals this upcoming year, or the year after is just complete ignorance.

Be patient, draft, grow.