HOF or not? You make the call.

Chris Webber and Chauncey Billups only ones I’d consider 

Chris Webber and Chauncey Billups only ones I’d consider 

Grant Hill might get in if they heavily weight his college career. I would put Shawn Marion in, but I don’t think voters are ready. Marion was ahead of his time, an ideal small ball four who rebounded and defended while stretching the floor with a hideous jump shot that went in just enough to keep defenders honest. His best seasons look a good bit like Kawhi does now, with better rebounding and slightly worse on ball defense.

Grant Hill might get in if they heavily weight his college career. I would put Shawn Marion in, but I don’t think voters are ready. Marion was ahead of his time, an ideal small ball four who rebounded and defended while stretching the floor with a hideous jump shot that went in just enough to keep defenders honest. His best seasons look a good bit like Kawhi does now, with better rebounding and slightly worse on ball defense.

Most of the guys you mention won’t make it, although they’re good players (Billups, Marion, R. Wallace, Johnson, Randolph, Brand, Stoudemire). Webber comes close based on this stats, but I would like to highlight three players in particular. 

Grant Hill – Yes, even though he lost some years to injury. Compare him to injury-riddled HOFers like Sampson and McAdoo and I believe you have to put HIll in there. 

Ben Wallace – Difficult, but there is a chance. Other defensive first big man have made it into the HOF as well. As an example, compare him to Player A. In terms of stats he’s a bit off (especially in points), but in terms of accolades he is very close.

Wallace: 5.7 PPG – 9.6 RPG – 2.0 BPG
NBA Champion (1x) – All-Star (4x) – All-NBA 2nd Team (3x) – All-NBA 3rd Team (2x) – DPOY (4x) – All-Defensive 1st Team (5x) – All-Defensive 2nd Team (1x) – Rebouding Leader (2x) – Blocks Leader (1x)

Player A: 9.8 PPG – 10.3 RPG – 2.8 BPG
All-Star (8x) – All-NBA 2nd Team (1x) – All-NBA 3rd Team (2x) – DPOY (4x) – All-Defensive 1st Team (3x) – All-Defensive 2nd Team (3x) – Rookie 1st Team – Rebounding Leader (2x) – Blocks Leader (3x)

Robert Horry – Perhaps on the most interesting figures in the NBA, and his HOF status has been discussed often on this site. Based on his stats he definitely won’t make it, but those 7 rings have to count for something right? Still, in my opinion he doesn’t belong in the HOF. There have been other players with a lot of rings but not the stats that have not been accepted in the HOF. 

Most of the guys you mention won’t make it, although they’re good players (Billups, Marion, R. Wallace, Johnson, Randolph, Brand, Stoudemire). Webber comes close based on this stats, but I would like to highlight three players in particular. 

Grant Hill – Yes, even though he lost some years to injury. Compare him to injury-riddled HOFers like Sampson and McAdoo and I believe you have to put HIll in there. 

Ben Wallace – Difficult, but there is a chance. Other defensive first big man have made it into the HOF as well. As an example, compare him to Player A. In terms of stats he’s a bit off (especially in points), but in terms of accolades he is very close.

Wallace: 5.7 PPG – 9.6 RPG – 2.0 BPG
NBA Champion (1x) – All-Star (4x) – All-NBA 2nd Team (3x) – All-NBA 3rd Team (2x) – DPOY (4x) – All-Defensive 1st Team (5x) – All-Defensive 2nd Team (1x) – Rebouding Leader (2x) – Blocks Leader (1x)

Player A: 9.8 PPG – 10.3 RPG – 2.8 BPG
All-Star (8x) – All-NBA 2nd Team (1x) – All-NBA 3rd Team (2x) – DPOY (4x) – All-Defensive 1st Team (3x) – All-Defensive 2nd Team (3x) – Rookie 1st Team – Rebounding Leader (2x) – Blocks Leader (3x)

Robert Horry – Perhaps on the most interesting figures in the NBA, and his HOF status has been discussed often on this site. Based on his stats he definitely won’t make it, but those 7 rings have to count for something right? Still, in my opinion he doesn’t belong in the HOF. There have been other players with a lot of rings but not the stats that have not been accepted in the HOF. 

Grant Hill

Chauncey Billups

Zach Randolph

Chris Webber

Grant Hill

Chauncey Billups

Zach Randolph

Chris Webber

 The Pistons 4 are all in the hall for me. 

 The Pistons 4 are all in the hall for me. 

 For me Webber is a pretty sure ‘yes’ for me.

Marion I’m split on..would have to think about it.

Everyone else just either wasn’t quite good enough (Pistons, Johnson,Brand) or didn’t have the longevity (Hill, Stoudemire). 

 For me Webber is a pretty sure ‘yes’ for me.

Marion I’m split on..would have to think about it.

Everyone else just either wasn’t quite good enough (Pistons, Johnson,Brand) or didn’t have the longevity (Hill, Stoudemire). 

 Webber for sure, Billups because of his rep, and Grant Hill because of Bill Walton. Bill had a long career, but was never the same after his first few years due to injury. Because of their respective amazing college careers and immense talent, I believe Grant gets the ‘Walton’ exception and gets in.

 Webber for sure, Billups because of his rep, and Grant Hill because of Bill Walton. Bill had a long career, but was never the same after his first few years due to injury. Because of their respective amazing college careers and immense talent, I believe Grant gets the ‘Walton’ exception and gets in.

We should be more selective about who’s a HOFer. Billups? Really? If all you need is a clutch rep then why aren’t Nick Van Exel, Robert Horry, and Derek Fisher in the Hall?

I just think the Hall is for guys who were among the best of the best of the best for an extended period of time.

We should be more selective about who’s a HOFer. Billups? Really? If all you need is a clutch rep then why aren’t Nick Van Exel, Robert Horry, and Derek Fisher in the Hall?

I just think the Hall is for guys who were among the best of the best of the best for an extended period of time.

 Ben Wallace is kind of like Dennis Rodman getting in. Webber, Billups, STAT, and Hill all have a chance

 Ben Wallace is kind of like Dennis Rodman getting in. Webber, Billups, STAT, and Hill all have a chance

No on Elton Brand haha.

No on Elton Brand haha.

I wouldn’t vote for any of them

 Interesting comment on Walton. His college career definately got him some votes for the HOF.

However, his three seasons were more than "very good". I don’t think that there has ever been a championship team more dependant on one player than the Trail Blazers were. The only team that would have rivaled them would have been last year’s Cav’s squad if they could have pulled out the series (LeBron was unreal). 

I wouldn’t vote for any of them

 Interesting comment on Walton. His college career definately got him some votes for the HOF.

However, his three seasons were more than "very good". I don’t think that there has ever been a championship team more dependant on one player than the Trail Blazers were. The only team that would have rivaled them would have been last year’s Cav’s squad if they could have pulled out the series (LeBron was unreal). 

 I’m not sure I’d put any of them in the HofF but Grant, Chancy and Chris are the only ones I would give much of a chance .

 I’m not sure I’d put any of them in the HofF but Grant, Chancy and Chris are the only ones I would give much of a chance .

Grant Hill- yes

Chauncey Billups -yes

Ben Wallace – yes

Shawn Marion – no

Rasheed Wallace – no

Joe Johnson – no

Zach Randolph – no

Elton Brand – no

Robert Horry – no

Amare Stoudemire – yes 

Grant Hill- yes

Chauncey Billups -yes

Ben Wallace – yes

Shawn Marion – no

Rasheed Wallace – no

Joe Johnson – no

Zach Randolph – no

Elton Brand – no

Robert Horry – no

Amare Stoudemire – yes 

Given that it is the Naismith BASKETBALL Hall of Fame and not the NBA Hall of Fame, I strongly believe that Grant should get in. Once you take into account his college career and his first 6 years in the NBA, I think he’s a no-brainer. I also feel like Chris Webber is a no-brainer as well. While I wouldn’t exactly be mad to see Ben Wallace or even Chauncey Billups get inducted, but of the names listed here, I’d only vote for Hill and Webber.

Given that it is the Naismith BASKETBALL Hall of Fame and not the NBA Hall of Fame, I strongly believe that Grant should get in. Once you take into account his college career and his first 6 years in the NBA, I think he’s a no-brainer. I also feel like Chris Webber is a no-brainer as well. While I wouldn’t exactly be mad to see Ben Wallace or even Chauncey Billups get inducted, but of the names listed here, I’d only vote for Hill and Webber.

If Lonzo Mourning got into the HOF and he had a injury/health hit career then I feel that Grant Hill has a good chance of getting in especially given his college career. But C-Webb also had a stellar college career and hasn’t got in yet. If Grant Hill had stayed sound he’d have been a first ballot entry, I’d put his chances about the same as T-Mac personally.

I think someone from the Detroit 203-2008 era needs to go in, to choose between the Wallaces and Billups is hard, perhaps I might just favour Billups.

Marion I don’t think quite gets in, STAT perhaps needed more peak years too. I’m a Phoenix fan so I’m being honest.

If guys like C-Webb and Shawn Kemp aren’t in yet I cannot put Z-Bo or Brand into consideration either.

Joe Johnson is a multiple All Star and getting close to 20,000 points but he would not strike me immediately as a HOF guy. He could get in somewhere down the line perhaps, having a year or two on a real title chaser may have helped him more.

If Lonzo Mourning got into the HOF and he had a injury/health hit career then I feel that Grant Hill has a good chance of getting in especially given his college career. But C-Webb also had a stellar college career and hasn’t got in yet. If Grant Hill had stayed sound he’d have been a first ballot entry, I’d put his chances about the same as T-Mac personally.

I think someone from the Detroit 203-2008 era needs to go in, to choose between the Wallaces and Billups is hard, perhaps I might just favour Billups.

Marion I don’t think quite gets in, STAT perhaps needed more peak years too. I’m a Phoenix fan so I’m being honest.

If guys like C-Webb and Shawn Kemp aren’t in yet I cannot put Z-Bo or Brand into consideration either.

Joe Johnson is a multiple All Star and getting close to 20,000 points but he would not strike me immediately as a HOF guy. He could get in somewhere down the line perhaps, having a year or two on a real title chaser may have helped him more.

 I think many people forget that it’s the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame. Since this is the case, I predict the following:

Grant Hill: IN on 2nd or 3rd ballot. He had a phenomenal high school (top 5 high school player) and college career, was on his way to becoming a top 25 player of all time in the NBA, multiple all-star appearances and all-NBA selections, was the face of some major brands like Sprite and Fila back in the 90s, has set a prime example of how all NBA players should be in terms of professionalism, now works with the NBA in terms of broadcasting/TV, very well liked by everyone. He’s in. 

Chauncey Billups: IN, probably 3rd  ballot. Has done some great things in his career and was a leader on the Pistons Championship team in the early 2000s, is a 6 time all star,  

Ben Wallace: IN, possibly as a 2nd or 3rd ballot. While he was horrific on offense, he was the NBA rebounding leader for multiple seasons, won DPOY 4 times, has a few all-star appearances, and was a key member of the championship Pistons team.

Shawn Marion: OUT. The guy is a very good player, but just hasn’t done anything to warrant him getting in. 

Rasheed Wallace: IN, possibly as a 3rd ballot. He was a top 3 high school player, dominated at UNC, was a 4 time NBA all-star, and brought versatility to the game as a bigman. 

Joe Johnson: IN as a 2nd or 3rd ballot, 7 time NBA all-star and nearly 20k career points

Zach Randolph: OUT

Elton Brand: OUT

Robert Horry: OUT….barely an average NBA player. His rings don’t override his mediocre regular season play for years and years.

Amare: OUT due to only having 4-5 good seasons before falling off a cliff and becoming a role player. He could get in due to his great play in Phx, but I have a feeling it just won’t be enough. 

Chris Webber: IN, possibly 1st or 2nd ballot. Was top high school player, Fab 5 member, #1 NBA pick, 20/10 guy for like 8 years, 5 time all-star, ROY winner, multiple all-NBA selections, well liked around the league, still is involved with the NBA as a commentator, etc…he’s in. 

 I think many people forget that it’s the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame. Since this is the case, I predict the following:

Grant Hill: IN on 2nd or 3rd ballot. He had a phenomenal high school (top 5 high school player) and college career, was on his way to becoming a top 25 player of all time in the NBA, multiple all-star appearances and all-NBA selections, was the face of some major brands like Sprite and Fila back in the 90s, has set a prime example of how all NBA players should be in terms of professionalism, now works with the NBA in terms of broadcasting/TV, very well liked by everyone. He’s in. 

Chauncey Billups: IN, probably 3rd  ballot. Has done some great things in his career and was a leader on the Pistons Championship team in the early 2000s, is a 6 time all star,  

Ben Wallace: IN, possibly as a 2nd or 3rd ballot. While he was horrific on offense, he was the NBA rebounding leader for multiple seasons, won DPOY 4 times, has a few all-star appearances, and was a key member of the championship Pistons team.

Shawn Marion: OUT. The guy is a very good player, but just hasn’t done anything to warrant him getting in. 

Rasheed Wallace: IN, possibly as a 3rd ballot. He was a top 3 high school player, dominated at UNC, was a 4 time NBA all-star, and brought versatility to the game as a bigman. 

Joe Johnson: IN as a 2nd or 3rd ballot, 7 time NBA all-star and nearly 20k career points

Zach Randolph: OUT

Elton Brand: OUT

Robert Horry: OUT….barely an average NBA player. His rings don’t override his mediocre regular season play for years and years.

Amare: OUT due to only having 4-5 good seasons before falling off a cliff and becoming a role player. He could get in due to his great play in Phx, but I have a feeling it just won’t be enough. 

Chris Webber: IN, possibly 1st or 2nd ballot. Was top high school player, Fab 5 member, #1 NBA pick, 20/10 guy for like 8 years, 5 time all-star, ROY winner, multiple all-NBA selections, well liked around the league, still is involved with the NBA as a commentator, etc…he’s in. 

I use the 20,000 points as a fair level to almost guarantee inmmediate HOF entry when you retire. There are guys like Antwan Jamison who despite only being a two time All Star and never winning a title ammased 20,000 points at over 18ppg in a long and consistent career. I’ve discussed his HOF chances before and the consensus on here is that he may get in somewhere down the line.

Several All Star appearances don’t guarantee immediate HOF entry either Shawn Kemp springs to mind. I personally also look at All NBA appearances and judge the calibure of players in their either. Jamison for example played in the KG, Tim Duncan, Dirk, Shaq, JO, Bosh eras so was probably denied All Star games more due to the talent in front of him rather than how well he performed. 

I use the 20,000 points as a fair level to almost guarantee inmmediate HOF entry when you retire. There are guys like Antwan Jamison who despite only being a two time All Star and never winning a title ammased 20,000 points at over 18ppg in a long and consistent career. I’ve discussed his HOF chances before and the consensus on here is that he may get in somewhere down the line.

Several All Star appearances don’t guarantee immediate HOF entry either Shawn Kemp springs to mind. I personally also look at All NBA appearances and judge the calibure of players in their either. Jamison for example played in the KG, Tim Duncan, Dirk, Shaq, JO, Bosh eras so was probably denied All Star games more due to the talent in front of him rather than how well he performed.