Giannis at PG full time!

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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 12:12pm #63194

Chrispy
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Jason Kidd just announced that the Greek Freak will play Point full time effective immediately. I have seen many games this year, and I like the move. He is still only 21, can handle, pass, rebound. If he adds a shot…yowzah!!!! Discuss…
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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 12:23pm #1050140

MattHoops
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He can definitely be a superstar IMO.
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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 12:23pm #1050271

MattHoops
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He can definitely be a superstar IMO.
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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 12:50pm #1050144

Hype Machine
Firstly, I realise Greek Freak is everyones favourite player and the idea of his potential is mind blowing. Yet i’m cynical.
Bucks are on track to win 32-34 games this season. Everyone, including myself, had them as a playoff team with consensus being around the 4-6 seed.
For me…thats a complete failure of a season and I dont let that happen without naming and shaming. I realise they are young…but they made the playoffs last season and most expected a jump.
Giannis the PG? Not for me. His stats look great as a PG, but they were great anyways. His playmaking skills arent elite. Isnt he just a taller MCW? Tall PG with no outside shot. Id say MCW had better playmaking abilities too. Is Greek Freak really ever going to be a better PG than Westbrook, Paul, Wall, Curry, Lillard etc?
I’d say no chance…yet he could easily be a top 3 SF. They’re subtracting too much on the wing to add too little at the PG spot
I’m going to remain skeptical until the Bucks win a few games using this strategy (current 5 game losing streak)

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- Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 5:28pm #1050161
  
  OhCanada-
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  I agree to an extent. Either way Giannis will be on the floor. What the move ensures is that Giannis will have more possessions and the team will have more defensive versatility. He has an amazing amount of potential and at the very least this is a sign that Kidd finally trusts him with the progress of the organization. The only way for him to realize his potential is through usage and by designating him the PG he will get reps alot faster allowing him to develop and maximize his potential. The stats are definitely stacked for now though, he has not helped the team win since the change which seems to be your point.
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  - Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 5:50pm #1050169
    
    Hype Machine
    Cheers for the feedback, cos I’m getting negged like crazy. I love Greek Freak…Jason Kidd is the problem.
    I’d love an explaination about which part of my comment attracted negs, because from where I’m standing the Bucks have done nothing but lose ever since they traded away the one PG that could shoot, in Brandon Knight.
    I wasn’t even hating on the Greek Freak…I love watching him play and stated he can be one of the best wing players in the league. I wouldn’t even be surprised if he won an MVP some time. I just don’t think he can be one of the best PG’s in the League.
    I’ve never seen a team win with a 6’11" PG….so excuse me if I’m cynical. I’ve seen big guys that were playmakers around the perimeter, like Noah, Draymond Green etc….but that’s different.
    It’s like Jason Kidd has some kind of psychological scarring about his playing days, and seems determined to have some succeed at the position that can’t shoot.
    I only half accept the theory that it’s to develop his game. If development is what the Bucks are after…he should be working on his shooting and finding ways to get get up 8 to 10 3pt shots each game until the end of the season. Euroballer stated he can’t go to the Olympics because he needs to work on shooting….yet here is playing PG.
    Jason Kidd is trying to reinvent the wheel, and its resulting in loss after loss when they should be a 4 seed in the playoffs.
    
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    - Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 9:08pm #1050220
      
      Thenilonator
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      I’m cynical too hype machine, but 15 years ago if someone said your centre needs to be able to shoot 3’s you would have been negged hard, or only a few years ago that you will create a dynasty from being a jump shooting team you would find haters. If they start winning games and the freak produces it will change the draft boards dramatically in years to come, just as tweeners are now stretch 4’s
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      - Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 2:02pm #1050456
        
        Cynthia
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        Very good point. It wasn’t long ago at all that having a big that can shoot 3’s not only was rare but was often frowned upon. Same goes for a PG that leads your team in scoring, that was nearly unheard of; now the the league is dominated by score-first point guards. Crazy how the league just keeps evolving.
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      - Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 2:02pm #1050588
        
        Cynthia
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        Very good point. It wasn’t long ago at all that having a big that can shoot 3’s not only was rare but was often frowned upon. Same goes for a PG that leads your team in scoring, that was nearly unheard of; now the the league is dominated by score-first point guards. Crazy how the league just keeps evolving.
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    - Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 9:08pm #1050351
      
      Thenilonator
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      I’m cynical too hype machine, but 15 years ago if someone said your centre needs to be able to shoot 3’s you would have been negged hard, or only a few years ago that you will create a dynasty from being a jump shooting team you would find haters. If they start winning games and the freak produces it will change the draft boards dramatically in years to come, just as tweeners are now stretch 4’s
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  - Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 5:50pm #1050301
    
    Hype Machine
    Cheers for the feedback, cos I’m getting negged like crazy. I love Greek Freak…Jason Kidd is the problem.
    I’d love an explaination about which part of my comment attracted negs, because from where I’m standing the Bucks have done nothing but lose ever since they traded away the one PG that could shoot, in Brandon Knight.
    I wasn’t even hating on the Greek Freak…I love watching him play and stated he can be one of the best wing players in the league. I wouldn’t even be surprised if he won an MVP some time. I just don’t think he can be one of the best PG’s in the League.
    I’ve never seen a team win with a 6’11" PG….so excuse me if I’m cynical. I’ve seen big guys that were playmakers around the perimeter, like Noah, Draymond Green etc….but that’s different.
    It’s like Jason Kidd has some kind of psychological scarring about his playing days, and seems determined to have some succeed at the position that can’t shoot.
    I only half accept the theory that it’s to develop his game. If development is what the Bucks are after…he should be working on his shooting and finding ways to get get up 8 to 10 3pt shots each game until the end of the season. Euroballer stated he can’t go to the Olympics because he needs to work on shooting….yet here is playing PG.
    Jason Kidd is trying to reinvent the wheel, and its resulting in loss after loss when they should be a 4 seed in the playoffs.
    
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- Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 5:28pm #1050293
  
  OhCanada-
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  I agree to an extent. Either way Giannis will be on the floor. What the move ensures is that Giannis will have more possessions and the team will have more defensive versatility. He has an amazing amount of potential and at the very least this is a sign that Kidd finally trusts him with the progress of the organization. The only way for him to realize his potential is through usage and by designating him the PG he will get reps alot faster allowing him to develop and maximize his potential. The stats are definitely stacked for now though, he has not helped the team win since the change which seems to be your point.
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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 12:50pm #1050275

Hype Machine
Firstly, I realise Greek Freak is everyones favourite player and the idea of his potential is mind blowing. Yet i’m cynical.
Bucks are on track to win 32-34 games this season. Everyone, including myself, had them as a playoff team with consensus being around the 4-6 seed.
For me…thats a complete failure of a season and I dont let that happen without naming and shaming. I realise they are young…but they made the playoffs last season and most expected a jump.
Giannis the PG? Not for me. His stats look great as a PG, but they were great anyways. His playmaking skills arent elite. Isnt he just a taller MCW? Tall PG with no outside shot. Id say MCW had better playmaking abilities too. Is Greek Freak really ever going to be a better PG than Westbrook, Paul, Wall, Curry, Lillard etc?
I’d say no chance…yet he could easily be a top 3 SF. They’re subtracting too much on the wing to add too little at the PG spot
I’m going to remain skeptical until the Bucks win a few games using this strategy (current 5 game losing streak)

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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 1:42pm #1050145

NBAjunkie81
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Normally a team would just bang it’s head against the wall & keep MCW at PG…… B/c they would not want to admit that trading that Lakers Lottery pick was a bad move……. Just swallow that bad medicine, move on & keep gettin better……
We all assumed the Bucks would go for a PG in this Draft….. This really opens up some possibilities……. Murray, Brown, Bender are all in play now…… Who do you guys like w/ the Bucks pick this June? ….. I think Jamal Murray would be a Great fit…. He can fill it up from outside, get to the Rim & he can also play some PG when the Greek needs a rest……..

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- Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 1:13am #1050677
  
  benny15
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  give me Wade Baldwin for the bucks. he’s listed as the same height as bayless but has a supperior wingspan than MCW. his catch and shoot ability already surpasses the latter while his deffense is projected to be better than jerryd. if kidd wants to use G as the point guard in the line-up, i cant think of a better prospect to pair him up with in the back-court in this draft.
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- Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 1:13am #1050545
  
  benny15
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  give me Wade Baldwin for the bucks. he’s listed as the same height as bayless but has a supperior wingspan than MCW. his catch and shoot ability already surpasses the latter while his deffense is projected to be better than jerryd. if kidd wants to use G as the point guard in the line-up, i cant think of a better prospect to pair him up with in the back-court in this draft.
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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 1:42pm #1050277

NBAjunkie81
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Normally a team would just bang it’s head against the wall & keep MCW at PG…… B/c they would not want to admit that trading that Lakers Lottery pick was a bad move……. Just swallow that bad medicine, move on & keep gettin better……
We all assumed the Bucks would go for a PG in this Draft….. This really opens up some possibilities……. Murray, Brown, Bender are all in play now…… Who do you guys like w/ the Bucks pick this June? ….. I think Jamal Murray would be a Great fit…. He can fill it up from outside, get to the Rim & he can also play some PG when the Greek needs a rest……..

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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 2:22pm #1050149

cjw
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Great idea he can get to the rim in 1 dribble sometimes. Also good passing skills hopefully the bucks get Murray to improve spacing
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- Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 5:18pm #1050159
  
  OhCanada-
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  Get to the rim in one dribble? From where? Pointfaurds have the ball inbounded to them. Whether it’s a full court inbound, half court inbound or a fastbreak off a long rebound I would assume he will almost never take one dribble to get to the rim. Unless he’s one of the monsters from space jam.
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  - Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 7:16am #1050491
    
    cjw
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    Pick and roll…have you ever seen the guy play?
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  - Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 7:16am #1050359
    
    cjw
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    Pick and roll…have you ever seen the guy play?
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- Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 5:18pm #1050291
  
  OhCanada-
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  Get to the rim in one dribble? From where? Pointfaurds have the ball inbounded to them. Whether it’s a full court inbound, half court inbound or a fastbreak off a long rebound I would assume he will almost never take one dribble to get to the rim. Unless he’s one of the monsters from space jam.
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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 2:22pm #1050281

cjw
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Great idea he can get to the rim in 1 dribble sometimes. Also good passing skills hopefully the bucks get Murray to improve spacing
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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 4:05pm #1050155

ExumInferno
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Should have kept the Lakers pick, via Phoenix. What happens to MCW now, he would seem to be someone to trade out.
They do need more shooting than just Middleton, but with Giannis at point guard and Jabari at one forward spot it does leave them option. Either a shooter at small forward or shooting guard, with Middleton moving around, or Jabari can be the small froward and a shooting power forward can be found from somwehere.
Tall point guards can work, but the Bucks won’t score if the floor isn’t spread with shooters as teams will just fill the paint.

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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 4:05pm #1050287

ExumInferno
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Should have kept the Lakers pick, via Phoenix. What happens to MCW now, he would seem to be someone to trade out.
They do need more shooting than just Middleton, but with Giannis at point guard and Jabari at one forward spot it does leave them option. Either a shooter at small forward or shooting guard, with Middleton moving around, or Jabari can be the small froward and a shooting power forward can be found from somwehere.
Tall point guards can work, but the Bucks won’t score if the floor isn’t spread with shooters as teams will just fill the paint.

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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 6:26pm #1050184

For_Never_Ever
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I’m surprised this is big news. If you watched Bucks games you’ll know he has been playing PG for them for quite some time now. This isn’t something that just recently happened.
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- Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 9:22pm #1050222
  
  frogman
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  Yeah I thought this has been going on for months haha
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- Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 9:22pm #1050353
  
  frogman
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  Yeah I thought this has been going on for months haha
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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 6:26pm #1050315

For_Never_Ever
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I’m surprised this is big news. If you watched Bucks games you’ll know he has been playing PG for them for quite some time now. This isn’t something that just recently happened.
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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 10:51pm #1050229

RUDEBOY_
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havent they tried this once before?
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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 10:51pm #1050361

RUDEBOY_
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havent they tried this once before?
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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 10:55pm #1050232

RUDEBOY_
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micheal carter williams showing where he’ll be on the bucks point guard depth chart next season.

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Posted on: Tue, 03/29/2016 - 10:55pm #1050363

RUDEBOY_
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micheal carter williams showing where he’ll be on the bucks point guard depth chart next season.

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Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 1:21am #1050378

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Perhaps it’s just me, but I thought the point that was being made is Giannis would be the primary ball handler from whatever position he’s playing which isn’t likely the actual point guard spot. This would open up a starting backcourt spot for another shooter rather than needing a primary ball handler in the slot.
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Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 1:21am #1050246

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Perhaps it’s just me, but I thought the point that was being made is Giannis would be the primary ball handler from whatever position he’s playing which isn’t likely the actual point guard spot. This would open up a starting backcourt spot for another shooter rather than needing a primary ball handler in the slot.
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- Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 2:39am #1050396
  
  machu46
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  Yeah, this is the gist that I got as well. Jason Kidd made it a point of saying that MCW is going to focus almost solely on his shooting this offseason so that he can remain in the lineup to defend PGs while Giannis plays the PG-role on offense.
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- Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 2:39am #1050264
  
  machu46
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  Yeah, this is the gist that I got as well. Jason Kidd made it a point of saying that MCW is going to focus almost solely on his shooting this offseason so that he can remain in the lineup to defend PGs while Giannis plays the PG-role on offense.
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Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 7:23am #1050495

morestealsthanscores
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Just because no-one has posted his post-all-star stats yet:
18.5 PPG, 7.3 APG, 8.8 RPG, 1.9 BPG, 1.6 SPG, 50.2% FG%
that’s pretty insane. to give that some context…here’s the full list of players that have averaged those numbers over a season:
no one.
here’s the full list of players that have averaged 18/7/7/1/1:
Lebron James
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Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 7:23am #1050364

morestealsthanscores
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Just because no-one has posted his post-all-star stats yet:
18.5 PPG, 7.3 APG, 8.8 RPG, 1.9 BPG, 1.6 SPG, 50.2% FG%
that’s pretty insane. to give that some context…here’s the full list of players that have averaged those numbers over a season:
no one.
here’s the full list of players that have averaged 18/7/7/1/1:
Lebron James
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Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 12:49pm #1050442

Hitster
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He has proven that he can play point forward and if Draymond Green can average 7.5apg this season then there is no reason why Giannis can’t. I know Green’s stats may be boosted a bit by Steph Curry MVP and Klay’s absurd 3 point range but Giannis can surely exceed that sort of stat given his post All Star game stats.
It also gives the Bucks the freedom to player more of a shooter in the PG role and help spread the play.

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Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 12:49pm #1050574

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He has proven that he can play point forward and if Draymond Green can average 7.5apg this season then there is no reason why Giannis can’t. I know Green’s stats may be boosted a bit by Steph Curry MVP and Klay’s absurd 3 point range but Giannis can surely exceed that sort of stat given his post All Star game stats.
It also gives the Bucks the freedom to player more of a shooter in the PG role and help spread the play.

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Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 4:51pm #1050628

European Basketballer
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If Antetokounmpo plays for Greece this summer, I really hope our national team coach does not make this same mistake as Kidd. In FIBA they actually call palming and travel violations, and Giannis has just basic minimal ball handling skills for a lead ball handler if he is not allowed to travel and carry the ball (like is allowed in the NBA).
He is fine with handling the ball for a forward, but for a lead ball handler, his ball handling is way below the standard Greece national team had in the last 35+ years.

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Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 4:51pm #1050496

European Basketballer
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If Antetokounmpo plays for Greece this summer, I really hope our national team coach does not make this same mistake as Kidd. In FIBA they actually call palming and travel violations, and Giannis has just basic minimal ball handling skills for a lead ball handler if he is not allowed to travel and carry the ball (like is allowed in the NBA).
He is fine with handling the ball for a forward, but for a lead ball handler, his ball handling is way below the standard Greece national team had in the last 35+ years.

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- Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 5:12pm #1050631
  
  Espresso
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  "fine" ball handling for a forward?… I would say unbelievable or outstanding
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- Posted on: Wed, 03/30/2016 - 5:12pm #1050500
  
  Espresso
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  "fine" ball handling for a forward?… I would say unbelievable or outstanding
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  - Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 11:40am #1050929
    
    European Basketballer
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    In FIBA you can’t travel or palm the ball. Only team allowed to do that is Team USA. Even NBA players on other teams are not allowed to do that. Without palming tha ball and traveling, Giannis in no way has a good enough handle to be a good team’s lead ball handler.
    FIBA does not allow all the ridiculous nonsense the NBA does.
    
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  - Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 11:40am #1051059
    
    European Basketballer
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    In FIBA you can’t travel or palm the ball. Only team allowed to do that is Team USA. Even NBA players on other teams are not allowed to do that. Without palming tha ball and traveling, Giannis in no way has a good enough handle to be a good team’s lead ball handler.
    FIBA does not allow all the ridiculous nonsense the NBA does.
    
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