Duke and Grayson Allen

lol. we went in on this at the same time. Yeah allens post game bs was lame. I mean the ducks were tying to show love, take it like a man.

lol. we went in on this at the same time. Yeah allens post game bs was lame. I mean the ducks were tying to show love, take it like a man.

 Were the Ducks trying to show "love"? I didn’t catch the final sequence but I wouldn’t be shocked if they were antagonizing a bit. Haven’t seen much of the Ducks but it seems like they’ve got some emotional/volatile dudes and I’d imagine they can get under a guy’s skin. 

Allen certainly has used up his "benefit of the doubt" cards with some of his antics nonetheless. It’s too bad because it outweighs how well he’s played most of this year. He wasn’t good tonight, but that dude was really good this season. I’m sure he’ll go to the NBA, be a 18-25 pick and play sparingly. 

Duke had a down year, and lost to a really good Oregon team in the Sweet 16. Nothing really to talk about in terms of the state of their program. They’ll be at worst, No. 2 in the preseason rankings next year. 

 Were the Ducks trying to show "love"? I didn’t catch the final sequence but I wouldn’t be shocked if they were antagonizing a bit. Haven’t seen much of the Ducks but it seems like they’ve got some emotional/volatile dudes and I’d imagine they can get under a guy’s skin. 

Allen certainly has used up his "benefit of the doubt" cards with some of his antics nonetheless. It’s too bad because it outweighs how well he’s played most of this year. He wasn’t good tonight, but that dude was really good this season. I’m sure he’ll go to the NBA, be a 18-25 pick and play sparingly. 

Duke had a down year, and lost to a really good Oregon team in the Sweet 16. Nothing really to talk about in terms of the state of their program. They’ll be at worst, No. 2 in the preseason rankings next year. 

I’ve always thought shaking hands after the game is a waste of time in college. I really like Grayson’s game and enjoy watching him.

If Allen stays which I think he will..him and kennard could be a deadly backcourt. Watch out because kennard could be on JJ Redick Level by his Jr campaign and he isn’t going anywhere.. Can really stroke it.

add that to whatever top draft pick they have coming in they are going to be a title contender 

I’ve always thought shaking hands after the game is a waste of time in college. I really like Grayson’s game and enjoy watching him.

If Allen stays which I think he will..him and kennard could be a deadly backcourt. Watch out because kennard could be on JJ Redick Level by his Jr campaign and he isn’t going anywhere.. Can really stroke it.

add that to whatever top draft pick they have coming in they are going to be a title contender 

from someone who hasn’t watched duke all that much this year, and needs to watch some film before the draft – is Brandon Ingram’s defense always this bad?!?

I mean, it was like watching a totally different guy on offense to D. Offense, he was cutting hard, wanting the ball, great foot speed, blowing by guys effortlessly. Defensively, there was just no desire and a really high stance – he got blown past by players nowhere near as athletic. His help defense was late on multiple occasions also – really didn’t have great defensive awareness. And lastly, I didn’t see any communication or leadership when the game was tight.

That may sound hypercritical considering his age, but I think they’re all valid points. Sure, a lot of these things are teachable – the stance, help D, and others will come with age – leadership, communication – but I really wanted to see more heart. Really reminded me of T-Mac rather than KD in that regard (although don’t get me wrong, T-Mac was a great player)

Just right now, Ben Simmons is by far the superior 2 way player – if he could shoot, we wouldn’t even be having the conversation. And he only has to work a 3 point shot out to Draymond Green levels to be effective from the perimeter – and if not, look how effective Blake Griffin is – a guy who can pass, handle and shoot the midrange jumper.

from someone who hasn’t watched duke all that much this year, and needs to watch some film before the draft – is Brandon Ingram’s defense always this bad?!?

I mean, it was like watching a totally different guy on offense to D. Offense, he was cutting hard, wanting the ball, great foot speed, blowing by guys effortlessly. Defensively, there was just no desire and a really high stance – he got blown past by players nowhere near as athletic. His help defense was late on multiple occasions also – really didn’t have great defensive awareness. And lastly, I didn’t see any communication or leadership when the game was tight.

That may sound hypercritical considering his age, but I think they’re all valid points. Sure, a lot of these things are teachable – the stance, help D, and others will come with age – leadership, communication – but I really wanted to see more heart. Really reminded me of T-Mac rather than KD in that regard (although don’t get me wrong, T-Mac was a great player)

Just right now, Ben Simmons is by far the superior 2 way player – if he could shoot, we wouldn’t even be having the conversation. And he only has to work a 3 point shot out to Draymond Green levels to be effective from the perimeter – and if not, look how effective Blake Griffin is – a guy who can pass, handle and shoot the midrange jumper.

 Everyone and their mother knows I hate Duke on this site.  Grayson Allen is one of the most entitled spoiled brats I have ever seen play college basketball.  I think people should finally stop making excuses for this guy.  He had a tremendous year.  He did some of the most boneheaded things on the court I have ever seen.  It ultimately falls on Coach K and his program,  He is an all-time great with 5 national titles, but not once I believe did he ever attempt to do something about Grayson’s antics and that’s really really sad.  It looks bad for DUke as a prgram.  Of course Duke was beyond mediocre for their standards this year with a below average frontcourt and no depth.  They’ll be back next year with Giles and Tatum, but this year was an embarrassment for Duke fans.  I hope Grayson realizes if he pulls the same crap in the NBA he pulled this year, he’ll be in serious trouble in the league.  

 Everyone and their mother knows I hate Duke on this site.  Grayson Allen is one of the most entitled spoiled brats I have ever seen play college basketball.  I think people should finally stop making excuses for this guy.  He had a tremendous year.  He did some of the most boneheaded things on the court I have ever seen.  It ultimately falls on Coach K and his program,  He is an all-time great with 5 national titles, but not once I believe did he ever attempt to do something about Grayson’s antics and that’s really really sad.  It looks bad for DUke as a prgram.  Of course Duke was beyond mediocre for their standards this year with a below average frontcourt and no depth.  They’ll be back next year with Giles and Tatum, but this year was an embarrassment for Duke fans.  I hope Grayson realizes if he pulls the same crap in the NBA he pulled this year, he’ll be in serious trouble in the league.  

 Honestly, put yourself in Grayson’s shoes. You’re playing a team in the Sweet 16 of the NCAA tourney. Said team has been trash talking all game (within the bounds of the game). A player from said team runs up the score by shooting a 3 late game instead of taking the shot clock violation and simply handing the ball over to the ref. THEN that same player tries to hug you immediately after the game, with every single emotion of a loss flowing thru your body….I guarantee half of you wouldn’t have accepted the embrace either. I have nothing to say about his tripping fiascos, those were just dumb on his part. But you guys are reaching really hard on this one.

 Honestly, put yourself in Grayson’s shoes. You’re playing a team in the Sweet 16 of the NCAA tourney. Said team has been trash talking all game (within the bounds of the game). A player from said team runs up the score by shooting a 3 late game instead of taking the shot clock violation and simply handing the ball over to the ref. THEN that same player tries to hug you immediately after the game, with every single emotion of a loss flowing thru your body….I guarantee half of you wouldn’t have accepted the embrace either. I have nothing to say about his tripping fiascos, those were just dumb on his part. But you guys are reaching really hard on this one.

All he did was push off a guy who just hit a 40 ft unguarded 3 to show off.  I would have done the same plus called him a douche.  Allen was in line to shake hands like everyone else. 

All he did was push off a guy who just hit a 40 ft unguarded 3 to show off.  I would have done the same plus called him a douche.  Allen was in line to shake hands like everyone else. 

 The funny part is, if the roles were reversed, Grayson would still be the douche in everyone’s eyes. "He shot a 3 with 10 seconds left?! What a show off! Then tried to hug Brooks right after? Grayson is such a pompous a**hole! I hate Duke so much!" Lol 

 The funny part is, if the roles were reversed, Grayson would still be the douche in everyone’s eyes. "He shot a 3 with 10 seconds left?! What a show off! Then tried to hug Brooks right after? Grayson is such a pompous a**hole! I hate Duke so much!" Lol 

This year has been far from an "embarrassment" for Duke fans. We got to watch our national championship game hero turn into an All American (also a villain thanks to a couple of mistakes and ESPN). After losing Amile I chalked the season up and was ready for next year, but this team fought hard without their most valuable player. Rang off consecutive wins against Virginia, L’Ville, and your precious Heels. That game in Chapel Hill was one of the gutsiest performances I’ve ever seen. 3 months ago if you told me this team, without Amile, would make it to the sweet 16 I would’ve laughed at you. This team overachieved big time in my eyes and it was great watching them put it all on the line every game.

This year has been far from an "embarrassment" for Duke fans. We got to watch our national championship game hero turn into an All American (also a villain thanks to a couple of mistakes and ESPN). After losing Amile I chalked the season up and was ready for next year, but this team fought hard without their most valuable player. Rang off consecutive wins against Virginia, L’Ville, and your precious Heels. That game in Chapel Hill was one of the gutsiest performances I’ve ever seen. 3 months ago if you told me this team, without Amile, would make it to the sweet 16 I would’ve laughed at you. This team overachieved big time in my eyes and it was great watching them put it all on the line every game.

Grayson got in line after the game and shook everyone’s hand. That’s all he is obligated to do. Why do people get up in arms when athletes don’t do exactly what WE, as a society, think they should do at that exact moment? So what he didn’t bear hug the guy who ran up the score. You act like he said f*** everything and just ran to the locker room. He still showed good sportsmanship in the post game handshake line.

Grayson got in line after the game and shook everyone’s hand. That’s all he is obligated to do. Why do people get up in arms when athletes don’t do exactly what WE, as a society, think they should do at that exact moment? So what he didn’t bear hug the guy who ran up the score. You act like he said f*** everything and just ran to the locker room. He still showed good sportsmanship in the post game handshake line.

L’Ville and FSU are the only games where he intentionally tripped a player. And the FSU one is still kinda shaky to me. Those were mistakes on his part and he has to live with that. It just sucks that now people are looking at every single little thing he does and trying to make it a negative thing. Why are we even talking about him not hugging someone after a loss if he still shook hands in the line?

L’Ville and FSU are the only games where he intentionally tripped a player. And the FSU one is still kinda shaky to me. Those were mistakes on his part and he has to live with that. It just sucks that now people are looking at every single little thing he does and trying to make it a negative thing. Why are we even talking about him not hugging someone after a loss if he still shook hands in the line?

 I am a UNC homer, and I can’t wait to share my thoughts.  I will start out by saying that Duke is going to be beastly next season and likely will win it all especially if Giles can get back to form.  I will also say that I would take Ingram number 1 in this nba draft.  

That being said.  This year will go down as one of the douchiest Duke years in a long time.  

1.  Amile Jefferson is not Kareem Abdul Jabar.  The guy was averaging 10 points and 9 boards a game against below average competition before his injury.  His second backup Sean Obi has more career double doubles than him against similar competition at Rice.  I am actually in the camp that believes Brandon Ingram would have suffered had Jefferson not gotten injured.  His injury forced K to put him at the 4 and spread the floor out and play Ingram more to his strengths.  It’s interesting that with Jefferson Ingram averaged 13.6 ppg.  Without him Ingram averaged 18.1 ppg.  I am going to make a bold statement.  Moving Ingram to the 4 made Duke a better team.  I was on the bandwagon of thinking that Ingram and Jefferson would have made the team better playing together.  Yet the media acted like losing Jefferson was like losing Kareem Abdul Jabbar.  

2.  Grayson Allen.  Do I really have to explain this one?  Tripping players, constant flopping, poor sportsmanship, and just being a jackass on the court.  Of course the missed travel against UVA was sickening.  The guy is going to get wrecked for being a complete douche in the NBA and I am going to laugh.  And we have K nor the ACC discipline him, yet defend him.  Reminds me of when Gerald Henderson broke Hansbrough’s nose after the whistle and K said that Henderson was the real victim.  

3.  Coach K.  STFU about your cupboard being empty.  You had THE MOST McDonalds all americans on your roster in the sweet 16 even without Kareem Abdul Jefferson.  Your top 10 bigman picked splinters out his ass on the bench and your other big on the bench has more career double doubles than Kareem Abdul Jefferson.  STFU.  

4.  Even with those facts, the talking heads keep pushing the narraritive that Duke was undermanned the entire season.  Do some damn research.  The media loves Duke as ESPN put Allen’s travel as the best buzzer beater of the season.  You kidding?

5.  Coach K’s "amazing" speech has got to go down as one of the douchiest post game blame the refs passive aggressive speeches of all time.  Go look back at the replay at the end of the Syracuse game.  What was amazing was how the people working the clock at Cameron gave Duke about an extra second at the end of the game.  Don’t believe me.  Watch the "amazing" ending to the Syracuse game and pay attention to when the clock starts.

6.  Got put in another EASY bracket as a 4 seed and barely escaped from UNCW and Yale to make it to the sweet 16.  Local paper had a cover story on Duke entitled "here come the overachievers".  SMDH.

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 I am a UNC homer, and I can’t wait to share my thoughts.  I will start out by saying that Duke is going to be beastly next season and likely will win it all especially if Giles can get back to form.  I will also say that I would take Ingram number 1 in this nba draft.  

That being said.  This year will go down as one of the douchiest Duke years in a long time.  

1.  Amile Jefferson is not Kareem Abdul Jabar.  The guy was averaging 10 points and 9 boards a game against below average competition before his injury.  His second backup Sean Obi has more career double doubles than him against similar competition at Rice.  I am actually in the camp that believes Brandon Ingram would have suffered had Jefferson not gotten injured.  His injury forced K to put him at the 4 and spread the floor out and play Ingram more to his strengths.  It’s interesting that with Jefferson Ingram averaged 13.6 ppg.  Without him Ingram averaged 18.1 ppg.  I am going to make a bold statement.  Moving Ingram to the 4 made Duke a better team.  I was on the bandwagon of thinking that Ingram and Jefferson would have made the team better playing together.  Yet the media acted like losing Jefferson was like losing Kareem Abdul Jabbar.  

2.  Grayson Allen.  Do I really have to explain this one?  Tripping players, constant flopping, poor sportsmanship, and just being a jackass on the court.  Of course the missed travel against UVA was sickening.  The guy is going to get wrecked for being a complete douche in the NBA and I am going to laugh.  And we have K nor the ACC discipline him, yet defend him.  Reminds me of when Gerald Henderson broke Hansbrough’s nose after the whistle and K said that Henderson was the real victim.  

3.  Coach K.  STFU about your cupboard being empty.  You had THE MOST McDonalds all americans on your roster in the sweet 16 even without Kareem Abdul Jefferson.  Your top 10 bigman picked splinters out his ass on the bench and your other big on the bench has more career double doubles than Kareem Abdul Jefferson.  STFU.  

4.  Even with those facts, the talking heads keep pushing the narraritive that Duke was undermanned the entire season.  Do some damn research.  The media loves Duke as ESPN put Allen’s travel as the best buzzer beater of the season.  You kidding?

5.  Coach K’s "amazing" speech has got to go down as one of the douchiest post game blame the refs passive aggressive speeches of all time.  Go look back at the replay at the end of the Syracuse game.  What was amazing was how the people working the clock at Cameron gave Duke about an extra second at the end of the game.  Don’t believe me.  Watch the "amazing" ending to the Syracuse game and pay attention to when the clock starts.

6.  Got put in another EASY bracket as a 4 seed and barely escaped from UNCW and Yale to make it to the sweet 16.  Local paper had a cover story on Duke entitled "here come the overachievers".  SMDH.

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Duke was embarrassing this year. They had talent and underachieved. This would have been a great year for them to make some noise because the overall talent was so spread out this year. Coach K is a great coach, but for a guy that can get LeBron, Melo, Chris Paul, and other NBA players in check, it seems odd that he pretends to wield no ability to do the same with Grayson Allen.

As for Allen. He’s an ass and not for last night. I don’t have a problem with players not interacting after games, especially when you see some of the things that go on during them and some of the crazy stuff that takes place after (from both winning and losing teams). You can’t respect someone that’s going around tripping guys. It’s really not a big deal until some guy breaks something trying to catch himself or smashes his face into the floor. What part of the game involves tripping people? It’s like the most passive aggressive thing you could do in a basketball game. Throw a hard pick, get physical in the post, something, but tripping, that’s for cowards.

Duke was embarrassing this year. They had talent and underachieved. This would have been a great year for them to make some noise because the overall talent was so spread out this year. Coach K is a great coach, but for a guy that can get LeBron, Melo, Chris Paul, and other NBA players in check, it seems odd that he pretends to wield no ability to do the same with Grayson Allen.

As for Allen. He’s an ass and not for last night. I don’t have a problem with players not interacting after games, especially when you see some of the things that go on during them and some of the crazy stuff that takes place after (from both winning and losing teams). You can’t respect someone that’s going around tripping guys. It’s really not a big deal until some guy breaks something trying to catch himself or smashes his face into the floor. What part of the game involves tripping people? It’s like the most passive aggressive thing you could do in a basketball game. Throw a hard pick, get physical in the post, something, but tripping, that’s for cowards.

 I am a UNC homer as well but I try not to let it cloud my judgement. Its not by any means an embarrasing year for Duke. It was a down year by their standards but that lack of depth was their undoing. Ingram had a stellar year. He really should be the #1 pick. His shooting is what edges Simmons. I’ll commend Grayson Allen from being a reserve to leading scorer and leader in just his second year. But people question why all the hate with Duke. It’s not cause they are always winning. True hoop fans know its the extracurricular stuff that Dookies do. They flat out play dirty and you guys know it. All the tripping, flopping, stomping, elbowing that almost broke Hansbroughs nose all that throughout the years. Bet you guys didnt see when Ingram drove against Justin Jackson and giving him an unecessary shove at the end. Now yesterday you have coach K berating Dillon Brooks for a late 3. I’ll never count out Duke because I know they are always capable of making a miraculous run, just like against Maryland 2001, just like UNC this year. But when it’s against K its unsportsmanlike. Give me a break. Coach K is a GREAT coach. He is also arrogant. Tell a kid he didnt have to show off by shooting a late 3 but says nothing to his kid who intentionally tripped opponents on multiple occasions.

Moving forward I expect Duke to be formidable. Down year or not Duke is always formidable. Especially now they got what the #1 class coming in. One thing though, man Chase Jeter looks like a scrub. This guy was a 5 star player? I dont think they are a lock to win it all. I think UNC can take them down again especially if Jackson and Hicks stay. 

 I am a UNC homer as well but I try not to let it cloud my judgement. Its not by any means an embarrasing year for Duke. It was a down year by their standards but that lack of depth was their undoing. Ingram had a stellar year. He really should be the #1 pick. His shooting is what edges Simmons. I’ll commend Grayson Allen from being a reserve to leading scorer and leader in just his second year. But people question why all the hate with Duke. It’s not cause they are always winning. True hoop fans know its the extracurricular stuff that Dookies do. They flat out play dirty and you guys know it. All the tripping, flopping, stomping, elbowing that almost broke Hansbroughs nose all that throughout the years. Bet you guys didnt see when Ingram drove against Justin Jackson and giving him an unecessary shove at the end. Now yesterday you have coach K berating Dillon Brooks for a late 3. I’ll never count out Duke because I know they are always capable of making a miraculous run, just like against Maryland 2001, just like UNC this year. But when it’s against K its unsportsmanlike. Give me a break. Coach K is a GREAT coach. He is also arrogant. Tell a kid he didnt have to show off by shooting a late 3 but says nothing to his kid who intentionally tripped opponents on multiple occasions.

Moving forward I expect Duke to be formidable. Down year or not Duke is always formidable. Especially now they got what the #1 class coming in. One thing though, man Chase Jeter looks like a scrub. This guy was a 5 star player? I dont think they are a lock to win it all. I think UNC can take them down again especially if Jackson and Hicks stay. 

 Ok we’ll sit here and act like losing Amile wasn’t a big deal lol. He was only their senior leader, most experienced player, best interior defender and best rebounder…that’s all. We’ll also act like guys don’t get overrated in their recruiting class…and everyone knows last year’s class was one of the weakest in a while. You talent AND experience to win my friend.

 Ok we’ll sit here and act like losing Amile wasn’t a big deal lol. He was only their senior leader, most experienced player, best interior defender and best rebounder…that’s all. We’ll also act like guys don’t get overrated in their recruiting class…and everyone knows last year’s class was one of the weakest in a while. You talent AND experience to win my friend.

Should’ve put best instead of only. My mistake. This was Marshall’s first year starting. Amile was a starter the past 3 years. Still waiting for you to tell me how losing Amile wasn’t a big deal… Still waiting on you to refute my points about the difference in recruiting classes. Tick tock.

Should’ve put best instead of only. My mistake. This was Marshall’s first year starting. Amile was a starter the past 3 years. Still waiting for you to tell me how losing Amile wasn’t a big deal… Still waiting on you to refute my points about the difference in recruiting classes. Tick tock.

Ingrams increased productivity had nothing to do with Amile. He was a freshman who struggled to find his groove. The team needed him and he realized it, you could tell as his body language and attitude on the court changed. As for Jeter, I’ve never seen him anywhere in any mocks on this site, nonetheless at 4. Whoever did that needs to be fired. Point is, you can count on a team of freshman when they are as good and MATUTE as last year’s group was. They are nowhere near as talented and certainly aren’t as mature.

Ingrams increased productivity had nothing to do with Amile. He was a freshman who struggled to find his groove. The team needed him and he realized it, you could tell as his body language and attitude on the court changed. As for Jeter, I’ve never seen him anywhere in any mocks on this site, nonetheless at 4. Whoever did that needs to be fired. Point is, you can count on a team of freshman when they are as good and MATUTE as last year’s group was. They are nowhere near as talented and certainly aren’t as mature.

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 One of the funniest threads I’ve ever read on this site lmao

 One of the funniest threads I’ve ever read on this site lmao