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  • #62826
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    publius2481
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     Detroit just sent their first round pick this year (top 8 protected) to Houston for Motiejunas and Thorton. Montiejunas is about to hit resticted free agency and has had only one decent year in the league, plus his back injury has really affected him. Thorton seems like a throw-in. Given the increased value of first round picks when the cap increases, this seems like a bad move on Detroit’s part.

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  • #1043535
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    You hope there’s more to this trade, like using them in another move. Either now or on draft day? However Thorton could help there bench.

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  • #1043673
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    You hope there’s more to this trade, like using them in another move. Either now or on draft day? However Thorton could help there bench.

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  • #1043539
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    I think adding Harris and Motie were great moves. Their first is in a weak draft (lets be real, this is a 1-2 player draft) this year, so its not too big a loss. They all the sudden now have great complements to Drummond and added a lot more scoring punch. 

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    • #1043838
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      Hype Machine

      I disagree that this is a 1-2 player draft…

       

       

       

       

       

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      Hype Machine

      I disagree that this is a 1-2 player draft…

       

       

       

       

       

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  • #1043677
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    I think adding Harris and Motie were great moves. Their first is in a weak draft (lets be real, this is a 1-2 player draft) this year, so its not too big a loss. They all the sudden now have great complements to Drummond and added a lot more scoring punch. 

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  • #1043551
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     Motie is around the ages of reggie jackson, morris, drummond and harris. He also still has some room to grow. I said this the other day if any of morris, harris, johnson and now motie make a leap while the other guys improve, they are championship contenders and would have a 3 to 5 year window to win a championship.

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    • #1043571
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      rope
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       Lifelong Pistons fan.

      If the Pistons do contend, it will be in the Bad Boys model where they have a balanced team with six or seven guys all fulfilling very specific roles, even if they aren’t stocked with superstars.  It is the only thing that has ever worked here.  Detroit is a tough guy town.

      My concern is that the current roster is constructed more for the NAB of 10 or 12 years ago and not today.  They ad things like shooters, but they really aren’t featured in their "star" players.  

      Two points at a time (or less if you foul Drummond) is a hard time to win these days.

      I’d love to see them go deep in the playoffs again.  The drought is now about as long as the time we got spoiled.

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

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      • #1043737
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         Motiejunas can shoot the three and can score in the post. Harris, johnson, morris, and pope are versatile. Jackson, motie, morris, and harris can shoot the three, if pope improves his shot even better. I think there is something there especially in the eastern conference. They are a well rounded team. Plus they have van gundy as a head coach. I don’t know if they can beat the cavs but they have the potential to hang around like the previous pistons team to win a championship. With the cap rising they have harris, morris, johnson, jackson locked into reasonable deals for at least the next three years. Then if a guy like Lin opts out, they could get a playmaker off the bench with the mid level exception, which is all they are really missing now.

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      • #1043599
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        phila9012
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         Motiejunas can shoot the three and can score in the post. Harris, johnson, morris, and pope are versatile. Jackson, motie, morris, and harris can shoot the three, if pope improves his shot even better. I think there is something there especially in the eastern conference. They are a well rounded team. Plus they have van gundy as a head coach. I don’t know if they can beat the cavs but they have the potential to hang around like the previous pistons team to win a championship. With the cap rising they have harris, morris, johnson, jackson locked into reasonable deals for at least the next three years. Then if a guy like Lin opts out, they could get a playmaker off the bench with the mid level exception, which is all they are really missing now.

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    • #1043709
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      rope
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       Lifelong Pistons fan.

      If the Pistons do contend, it will be in the Bad Boys model where they have a balanced team with six or seven guys all fulfilling very specific roles, even if they aren’t stocked with superstars.  It is the only thing that has ever worked here.  Detroit is a tough guy town.

      My concern is that the current roster is constructed more for the NAB of 10 or 12 years ago and not today.  They ad things like shooters, but they really aren’t featured in their "star" players.  

      Two points at a time (or less if you foul Drummond) is a hard time to win these days.

      I’d love to see them go deep in the playoffs again.  The drought is now about as long as the time we got spoiled.

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

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  • #1043689
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     Motie is around the ages of reggie jackson, morris, drummond and harris. He also still has some room to grow. I said this the other day if any of morris, harris, johnson and now motie make a leap while the other guys improve, they are championship contenders and would have a 3 to 5 year window to win a championship.

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  • #1043565
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    Anton123
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     Drummond and Donatas is a very interesting duo up front, I’m not sure about harris, but a core of

    PG Jackson

    SG Caldwell-Pope

    SF Harris

    PF Motiejunas

    C Drummond

    Looks very intertesting, much better than they had before the deadline. Also this porbably means they will improve a bit after the all-star break and the pick will probably be in the 18-20 range. This draft isn’t that deep and they probably won’t lose that much by losing this pick.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1043848
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      omphalos
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       Swap out Harris for Stanley Johnson and you’ve got something – he’s the future at the 3, Harris will be tussling with Motiejunas for the 4 spot.

      I really like the trades SVG has made, I hope Detroit makes the playoffs this season, would be interesting to see what Drummond can do in the post-season.

       

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    • #1043710
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      omphalos
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       Swap out Harris for Stanley Johnson and you’ve got something – he’s the future at the 3, Harris will be tussling with Motiejunas for the 4 spot.

      I really like the trades SVG has made, I hope Detroit makes the playoffs this season, would be interesting to see what Drummond can do in the post-season.

       

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  • #1043703
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    Anton123
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     Drummond and Donatas is a very interesting duo up front, I’m not sure about harris, but a core of

    PG Jackson

    SG Caldwell-Pope

    SF Harris

    PF Motiejunas

    C Drummond

    Looks very intertesting, much better than they had before the deadline. Also this porbably means they will improve a bit after the all-star break and the pick will probably be in the 18-20 range. This draft isn’t that deep and they probably won’t lose that much by losing this pick.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1043567
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     I didn’t realize Donatas Motiejunas was a restricted free agent, but he shouldn’t cost too much to keep. It looks like playoffs are number one priority for the Pistons and they are making moves to ensure they can make it. A lightly protected first round pick for Motiejunas and Marcus Thorton seems a bit expensive, but I could see it working out well especially if Motiejunas is healthy. These two could both be important rotation pieces for years to come.

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  • #1043705
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     I didn’t realize Donatas Motiejunas was a restricted free agent, but he shouldn’t cost too much to keep. It looks like playoffs are number one priority for the Pistons and they are making moves to ensure they can make it. A lightly protected first round pick for Motiejunas and Marcus Thorton seems a bit expensive, but I could see it working out well especially if Motiejunas is healthy. These two could both be important rotation pieces for years to come.

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  • #1043713
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    Choppy
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     Still trying to wrap my head around it. Can’t see the logic of it when you’re trying to get more minutes for Stanley. Or maybe they aren’t? Who knows, I certainly don’t. It does add talent and depth but at the cost of a first rounder. Not sure it was worth it. 

    Does the addition of Thornton mean we might finally be done with Jodie Meeks?

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  • #1043575
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    Choppy
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     Still trying to wrap my head around it. Can’t see the logic of it when you’re trying to get more minutes for Stanley. Or maybe they aren’t? Who knows, I certainly don’t. It does add talent and depth but at the cost of a first rounder. Not sure it was worth it. 

    Does the addition of Thornton mean we might finally be done with Jodie Meeks?

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  • #1043715
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    bmac697
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    My thoughts on this when Harris was traded to DET it was because no bigger name free agent would choose to sign with the Pistons, so this way it was as if they got to sign a player theve always wanted in harris and already have his term and contract numbers set.

    I think DET is also looking at Monti like that, I do agree giving up a draft pick is valuable, but like someone mentioned this isnt a deep draft so would detriot rather take a risk and draft someone who may or may not help right away, were they can trade that pick while also bringing back a player who has league experience and is around the same age group with what your trying to develop and have team control to resign as a RFA.

     

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  • #1043577
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    My thoughts on this when Harris was traded to DET it was because no bigger name free agent would choose to sign with the Pistons, so this way it was as if they got to sign a player theve always wanted in harris and already have his term and contract numbers set.

    I think DET is also looking at Monti like that, I do agree giving up a draft pick is valuable, but like someone mentioned this isnt a deep draft so would detriot rather take a risk and draft someone who may or may not help right away, were they can trade that pick while also bringing back a player who has league experience and is around the same age group with what your trying to develop and have team control to resign as a RFA.

     

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  • #1043733
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     I don’t think it’s a bad move for Detroit. They get a young big who has shown a lot of promise in d-mo provided he can stay healthy. They can use him both as a stretch 4 next to Drummond and as a featured post up option when Drummond sits. They will have the inside track on resigning him since he is a restricted fa. You ideally wouldn’t want to give up a first round pick but if Detroit makes the playoffs, than you are looking at no higher than a 15 pick anyway and it’s unlikely they would be able to draft a player at that spot who would help them more than a healthy montieunas could anyway. Thornton just seems like a throw in but at least provides another shooter off the bench.

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  • #1043595
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     I don’t think it’s a bad move for Detroit. They get a young big who has shown a lot of promise in d-mo provided he can stay healthy. They can use him both as a stretch 4 next to Drummond and as a featured post up option when Drummond sits. They will have the inside track on resigning him since he is a restricted fa. You ideally wouldn’t want to give up a first round pick but if Detroit makes the playoffs, than you are looking at no higher than a 15 pick anyway and it’s unlikely they would be able to draft a player at that spot who would help them more than a healthy montieunas could anyway. Thornton just seems like a throw in but at least provides another shooter off the bench.

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  • #1043780
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     Detroit did very well.  They improved, but also did it by adding young players in Harris and DoMo.

    Just think about it as a first rounder for those two players, that is a great deal.

    Harris is probably overpaid, but for Detroit it doesn’t hurt as Drummond will soon take away any salary room for the future.  With Harris under a deal for a few more years it gives them stability.

    DoMo is a great fit, next to Drummond or as a backup.  They can now match a contract offer for him, as they won’t have room for a big free agent they do get an extra player now and one with good potential still.

    They moved out three veterans who wouldn’t be around much longer, they added two players with some range to put next to Drummond.  SVG is making the team he wants, and one that works.

    Thornton as a temporary add, he will be useful.  When on, he can be very good from outside.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1043643
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    ExumInferno
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     Detroit did very well.  They improved, but also did it by adding young players in Harris and DoMo.

    Just think about it as a first rounder for those two players, that is a great deal.

    Harris is probably overpaid, but for Detroit it doesn’t hurt as Drummond will soon take away any salary room for the future.  With Harris under a deal for a few more years it gives them stability.

    DoMo is a great fit, next to Drummond or as a backup.  They can now match a contract offer for him, as they won’t have room for a big free agent they do get an extra player now and one with good potential still.

    They moved out three veterans who wouldn’t be around much longer, they added two players with some range to put next to Drummond.  SVG is making the team he wants, and one that works.

    Thornton as a temporary add, he will be useful.  When on, he can be very good from outside.

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1043840
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       Harris isnt overpaid. The salary cap is about to take a major jump again. 

      His contract represents a relatively small % of next years salary cap and lesser players are going to get paid more than him this offseason.

      You basically have to condition yourself to the idea that you need to pay DOUBLE to get the same calibre player from 2 years ago.

      Average Starters are going to get 15-20m next season in free agency…And max guys will get 35-40m per season.

       

       

       

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    • #1043702
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       Harris isnt overpaid. The salary cap is about to take a major jump again. 

      His contract represents a relatively small % of next years salary cap and lesser players are going to get paid more than him this offseason.

      You basically have to condition yourself to the idea that you need to pay DOUBLE to get the same calibre player from 2 years ago.

      Average Starters are going to get 15-20m next season in free agency…And max guys will get 35-40m per season.

       

       

       

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  • #1043794
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    I think it is clear what teams think of middling first round picks in this upcoming draft. 

    Somewhere Sam Hinkie is crying. He wanted in on that sweet, sweet action. The next Furkan Aldemir is out there people! Vasilije Micic and Luka Mitrovic were just the beginning. Do you know there are players on Red Star Belgrade that the Sixers haven’t drafted?

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  • #1043657
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    I think it is clear what teams think of middling first round picks in this upcoming draft. 

    Somewhere Sam Hinkie is crying. He wanted in on that sweet, sweet action. The next Furkan Aldemir is out there people! Vasilije Micic and Luka Mitrovic were just the beginning. Do you know there are players on Red Star Belgrade that the Sixers haven’t drafted?

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  • #1043798
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     In the end, this deadline looks like this: 

    Detroit gives up Illyasova (expiring), Jennings (expiring), Joel Anthony, 2016 1st rounder (protected 1-8)

    Detroit receives Harris, Motiejunas, and Thorton. 

    They get more shooting, more versatility, more skill, and don’t have to worry about the frenzy of free agency. Instead. they can focus on developing the core of Jackson-KCP-Johnson-Harris-Drummond-Morris. 

    SVG has continually made questionable moves so far in Detroit, but his team is starting to take shape in a really, really good way. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1043661
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     In the end, this deadline looks like this: 

    Detroit gives up Illyasova (expiring), Jennings (expiring), Joel Anthony, 2016 1st rounder (protected 1-8)

    Detroit receives Harris, Motiejunas, and Thorton. 

    They get more shooting, more versatility, more skill, and don’t have to worry about the frenzy of free agency. Instead. they can focus on developing the core of Jackson-KCP-Johnson-Harris-Drummond-Morris. 

    SVG has continually made questionable moves so far in Detroit, but his team is starting to take shape in a really, really good way. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1043800
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     Detroit are a borderline play off team and so have added some nice young depth to the roster. They have drafted quite a lot in recent years so maybe want a little more experience on the roster.

    Stanley Johnson has had a solid rookie year and KCP has improved this year. Harris gives them another proven scorer in the starting 5 and they have now added some nice depth to the roster.

     

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  • #1043663
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     Detroit are a borderline play off team and so have added some nice young depth to the roster. They have drafted quite a lot in recent years so maybe want a little more experience on the roster.

    Stanley Johnson has had a solid rookie year and KCP has improved this year. Harris gives them another proven scorer in the starting 5 and they have now added some nice depth to the roster.

     

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  • #1043836
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     This may seem a bit much but if you look at this team and the team SVG had in Orlando, after these moves you start seeing a lot of similarities and in the weak East, they have a shot in a few years to dethrone the Cavs as the best east team.  They Cavs have lots of talent but chemistry is off and they dont have complimentary pieces at every position.  Detroit has a chance to have a line up where everyone is talent and help spread the floor for a top 5 big man in Drummonds who will only get better and unlike Howard he does not desire to be the offensive focal point of this team yet he still gets his touches.

     

    Jameer Nelson                            Reggie Jackson

    JJ Redick                                     KCP/Stanley Johnson

    Hedo Turkulo                               Tobias Harris

    Rashard Lewis                              D. Motiejunas/Marcus Morris

    Dwight Howard                            Drummonds

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1043698
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     This may seem a bit much but if you look at this team and the team SVG had in Orlando, after these moves you start seeing a lot of similarities and in the weak East, they have a shot in a few years to dethrone the Cavs as the best east team.  They Cavs have lots of talent but chemistry is off and they dont have complimentary pieces at every position.  Detroit has a chance to have a line up where everyone is talent and help spread the floor for a top 5 big man in Drummonds who will only get better and unlike Howard he does not desire to be the offensive focal point of this team yet he still gets his touches.

     

    Jameer Nelson                            Reggie Jackson

    JJ Redick                                     KCP/Stanley Johnson

    Hedo Turkulo                               Tobias Harris

    Rashard Lewis                              D. Motiejunas/Marcus Morris

    Dwight Howard                            Drummonds

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1043714
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    As a pistons fan I don’t like this trade. Motie has talent but has back problems and is not a long term contract. Thornton is a journeyman chucker that gets thrown around the league as no team really wants him, he shoots a poor fg%. Not a great teammate….

    This is also only top 8 protected, what happens if Drummond or Reggie Jackson get injured ? This could end up being a 9-13th overall pick.

    If Motie had a decent contract and was healthy this is worth the risk, but with these 2 negatives it is just not that appealing. A bad back isn’t like twisting your ankle or the much loved “flu like symptons”. Bad backs can take years to heal, or sometimes they never completely heal 100% anyway….

    I REALLY hope the pistons go after J Lamb or Crabbe in the offseason…

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  • #1043852
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    As a pistons fan I don’t like this trade. Motie has talent but has back problems and is not a long term contract. Thornton is a journeyman chucker that gets thrown around the league as no team really wants him, he shoots a poor fg%. Not a great teammate….

    This is also only top 8 protected, what happens if Drummond or Reggie Jackson get injured ? This could end up being a 9-13th overall pick.

    If Motie had a decent contract and was healthy this is worth the risk, but with these 2 negatives it is just not that appealing. A bad back isn’t like twisting your ankle or the much loved “flu like symptons”. Bad backs can take years to heal, or sometimes they never completely heal 100% anyway….

    I REALLY hope the pistons go after J Lamb or Crabbe in the offseason…

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  • #1043720
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    …The Sixers are doing what they are doing. You’re not going anywhere with rosters like Detriot has. They’ll probably be the No. 7 or 8 seed and get swept in the first round. They really remind me of the 2010-2013 Sixers, except the Sixers nearly got to the East finals in 2012-13

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    • #1043722
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      Like tank, tank and acquire draft picks, then tank some more. They will lose half their young players once their rookie contracts are finished – but then they can tank again.

      At least the pistons are trying to build a winning team…

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    • #1043860
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      Like tank, tank and acquire draft picks, then tank some more. They will lose half their young players once their rookie contracts are finished – but then they can tank again.

      At least the pistons are trying to build a winning team…

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  • #1043858
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    …The Sixers are doing what they are doing. You’re not going anywhere with rosters like Detriot has. They’ll probably be the No. 7 or 8 seed and get swept in the first round. They really remind me of the 2010-2013 Sixers, except the Sixers nearly got to the East finals in 2012-13

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  • #1043751
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     I think it’s a good trade for detroit. I think they need to add another scorer and they got harris. Harris can be their 3rd scorer with drummond and reggie. Add with montie and kcp. In that trade they did lose any defensive player. They just add offensive players. That’s why Detroit wins this trade

     

     

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  • #1043888
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     I think it’s a good trade for detroit. I think they need to add another scorer and they got harris. Harris can be their 3rd scorer with drummond and reggie. Add with montie and kcp. In that trade they did lose any defensive player. They just add offensive players. That’s why Detroit wins this trade

     

     

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  • #1043757
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    The Pistons have got Jackson tied up, they will match and/or max out Drummond in the summer. Harris will be going onto his 2nd deal so they absorb that. I’d guess they would want to tie down KCP too as if he had a big year next year then his market value could go up by $20 million across a 4 year or so deal.

     

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  • #1043894
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    The Pistons have got Jackson tied up, they will match and/or max out Drummond in the summer. Harris will be going onto his 2nd deal so they absorb that. I’d guess they would want to tie down KCP too as if he had a big year next year then his market value could go up by $20 million across a 4 year or so deal.

     

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  • #1044312
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    The Pistons are 0-2 with Tobias Harris. I remember last season, we were 1-10 after the Reggie Jackson trade….

    Speaking of which at least SVG is active when it comes to trades. With all the rumours and hype we don’t actually see many trades midseason.

    SVG traded for RJax last season, and made two trades this midseason….. At least he is active and trying…..

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    The Pistons are 0-2 with Tobias Harris. I remember last season, we were 1-10 after the Reggie Jackson trade….

    Speaking of which at least SVG is active when it comes to trades. With all the rumours and hype we don’t actually see many trades midseason.

    SVG traded for RJax last season, and made two trades this midseason….. At least he is active and trying…..

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